Current issues with the market - Any ideas on avoiding the end?

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It'd be nice if inflation was lower, but the US is not on the verge of hyperinflation. The narrative around that is doomer porn bait for clicks. The "journalists" writing those articles don't know jack shit as proven by their shitty low wage job.
Yeah hyperinflation is definitely not going to happen. Doomers somehow think that the stock market is going to crash and lose most of its value and then there's going to be hyperinflation at the same time and that's just...not a thing.

A deflationary spiral should be our real concern.
 
Yeah hyperinflation is definitely not going to happen. Doomers somehow think that the stock market is going to crash and lose most of its value and then there's going to be hyperinflation at the same time and that's just...not a thing.

A deflationary spiral should be our real concern.

Oh no no friend, the operators who own the right companies and know what they're doing can make out like bandits.

It's the regular folks I'm personally worried about. They'll get hit the fastest and the hardest and will take the longest to recover, if they'll recover at all.
 
A deflationary spiral should be our real concern.
How do we go from high levels of inflation to deflation? We're not dealing with an over supply of goods, low demand, or a retraction in the money supply.

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Oh no no friend, the operators who own the right companies and know what they're doing can make out like bandits.

It's the regular folks I'm personally worried about. They'll get hit the fastest and the hardest and will take the longest to recover, if they'll recover at all.
Yes, companies with good management will make money. There's not a whole lot of them around.

What I mostly see are out of touch management refusing to change. Companies are literally self-immolating right now. Facebook had a 5-hour outage because no competent heterosexual men want to work there.

"Regular folks" are going to figure out a way to fuck themselves over no matter what. Leasing vehicles, eating out, HELOCs, credit card debt, vacations, consooming, etc. They're just going to follow the crowd into the financial abyss.
 
Yeah hyperinflation is definitely not going to happen. Doomers somehow think that the stock market is going to crash and lose most of its value and then there's going to be hyperinflation at the same time and that's just...not a thing.

A deflationary spiral should be our real concern.
Deflation requires people to still have trust in a currency though. If people trust in the value of money, in the response to a severe economic contraction they will horde the money to get them through the crisis, holding onto it like dragons gold. This increases its value. Thus, deflation.

But if there is no faith in the value of a currency then when a crisis hits people dump their cash into anything they can get their hands on. Like rich people in South America buying dozens of Mercedes Cars and parking them on their back lawns. The money flees too assets, triggering rapid inflation at the same time the economy contracts massively.

People are assuming the worst case scenario for the US is a contraction and deflationary spiral. After all, every harsh economic contraction before now saw the purchasing power of cash go up. But this assumes people still have faith in the value of the US Dollar. I don't think they do. Which means this time when the crisis hits people, businesses and banks will not horde their cash. They are going to dump it all at once into anything they can get their hands on. Cars, TVs, Guns, Gold, Silver, Land etc. Hyperinflation.
 
Just working from home could be a major game changer for all kinds of sectors in the economy. The question is just the scale of the adaptation. Just working from home means less demand for fuel, less demand for cars, less demand for passenger transportation and less demand for public infrastructure such as roads and bridges. And that are just the few things I came up within a moment.

As a site note: Our company now has the policy that home office can be used up to 4 out of 5 days a week. So you have to come into the office once a week. Which is neat and offers up opportunities. I am switching positions in the next year towards a different office and will commute for around 220 miles on that day in total. Towards the office and back. That means 6 hours of commute one day a week. And that overall is acceptable.
Previously I would have had to move. But since the office is in an area with much higher rents - the amount I would have had to spend on the increased rent would have nearly eaten up the salary increase that comes with the new position. So I now can enjoy a better positions while retaining my low rent from a rather rural area.

The increase in energy prices is also only fucking those countries and people over that have a non-energy efficient economy. You can shit on China all day, but you have to pay big bucks if you want to drive a car with a high fuel consumption. Same thing applies with the adaptation of other technologies like solar panels, heat pumps, efficient home insulation and so on.
Also public transport. One of the best solutions to get a lot of people from A to B without using much energy.
 
How do we go from high levels of inflation to deflation? We're not dealing with an over supply of goods, low demand, or a retraction in the money supply.

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Yes, companies with good management will make money. There's not a whole lot of them around.

What I mostly see are out of touch management refusing to change. Companies are literally self-immolating right now. Facebook had a 5-hour outage because no competent heterosexual men want to work there.

"Regular folks" are going to figure out a way to fuck themselves over no matter what. Leasing vehicles, eating out, HELOCs, credit card debt, vacations, consooming, etc. They're just going to follow the crowd into the financial abyss.

Absolutely true. You seem to forget however that certain players always win. It's like it's impossible for them to lose! Maybe look into who they are and what they hold? For extra credit, try and figure out.. how come they always win?
 
All the tards wandering in here and blathering about how hyperinflation is impossible and totally not gonna happen should take a moment to review the track record of every other fiat currency that has ever existed. "BBBBBBBBBBUT BRO ITS DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!" fuck off lmao.

No one can make any guarantees as to when the house of cards will come tumbling down, but its inevitable that it does. Fiat systems are built to last 50-75 years, ours just crossed the 50 year mark, and all indicators point towards its demise. You can stick your head in the sand and ignore all indicators, but don't feel sorry for yourselves when you wake up one day and find your paper worthless.
 
How do we go from high levels of inflation to deflation? We're not dealing with an over supply of goods, low demand, or a retraction in the money supply.
Companies being wildly overleveraged, people quitting their jobs, post-COVID change in consumer habits, skyrocketing housing and energy costs reducing discretionary spending, etc.

It really wouldn't take much to set off bankruptcies when corporations can no longer service their debts, then people are out of work and start hoarding cash, further reducing demand.
 
Companies being wildly overleveraged, people quitting their jobs, post-COVID change in consumer habits, skyrocketing housing and energy costs reducing discretionary spending, etc.

It really wouldn't take much to set off bankruptcies when corporations can no longer service their debts, then people are out of work and start hoarding cash, further reducing demand.
You said the magic words. "Hoarding cash". There is this assumption if shit hits the fan people, banks and corporations will "hoard cash". It's what they have always done right? This time though the US government and the Federal Reserve have debased the currency to the point where confidence in it is dangerously shaky. A financial panic could just as easily trigger a rush to Precious Metals, Land and Cryptos. All the Dollars in circulation dumped at once, last one in line to the exit holding the bag.

Just how many dollars are out there now? We don't know. The Federal Reserve itself does not know because they have stopped reporting it. I am hoarding cash right now while the mania in crypto and stocks get worse. The moment the bargains appear I am getting rid of every US dollar I own. Right now the only assets I own that I have faith will hold value and return gains is the Physical silver sitting on my shelf and my front lawn.
 
Holding currency of any type is usually a terrible market position unless you're in FOREX. Main reason the corporations hold onto theirs in off shore accounts is to avoid paying taxes. Large corporations can take out short term loans at basement interest rates if they ever need to cover short term expenses. Cash on hand is a terrible investment. Assets and stocks are both ludicrously overpriced, so I'm unsure how much more expensive they can legitimately become before it causes massive problems (hello rent as 80% of the median income?). My only question is how large the cash warchests are that haven't already been sunk into some market.
 
Holding currency of any type is usually a terrible market position unless you're in FOREX. Main reason the corporations hold onto theirs in off shore accounts is to avoid paying taxes. Large corporations can take out short term loans at basement interest rates if they ever need to cover short term expenses. Cash on hand is a terrible investment. Assets and stocks are both ludicrously overpriced, so I'm unsure how much more expensive they can legitimately become before it causes massive problems (hello rent as 80% of the median income?). My only question is how large the cash warchests are that haven't already been sunk into some market.
I am going to cash right now because I expect a meltdown in the coming weeks and I want to swoop up some bargain buy. My primary targets are Ethereum and Solana in the Crypto space, and for stocks I intend to scoop up Coinbase, Alphabet and Cargill.

I am a doompilled maniac betting against the entire US economy tho, so take that for what you will.
 
Holding currency of any type is usually a terrible market position unless you're in FOREX. Main reason the corporations hold onto theirs in off shore accounts is to avoid paying taxes. Large corporations can take out short term loans at basement interest rates if they ever need to cover short term expenses. Cash on hand is a terrible investment. Assets and stocks are both ludicrously overpriced, so I'm unsure how much more expensive they can legitimately become before it causes massive problems (hello rent as 80% of the median income?). My only question is how large the cash warchests are that haven't already been sunk into some market.

Strong disagree. I always have money sleeping. It's not dead, just sleeping.

Heard about the recent Binance flash crash all the way down to 8k? Well, I had some sleepers around 10. Very happy with those sleepy boys of mine. Very happy.
 
My only question is how large the cash warchests are that haven't already been sunk into some market.
Small, I'd wager. A bunch of it is tied up in reverse repo right now. That's why I disagree with the idea that there will be an asset run causing hyperinflation. With what money? A bunch of corporations are paper rich because of stock buybacks but they can't cash out without crashing. Everyone's just stuck.
 
Small, I'd wager. A bunch of it is tied up in reverse repo right now. That's why I disagree with the idea that there will be an asset run causing hyperinflation. With what money? A bunch of corporations are paper rich because of stock buybacks but they can't cash out without crashing. Everyone's just stuc
The banks aren't though. The Federal reserve has given them a blank check and access to savings accounts. While reducing the fractional reserve rate to zero. Any dollars out in the wild from them are already contributing to inflation while the dollars they have not used are waiting to get dumped.

Everyone talking about stagflation or a deflationary spiral is assuming things that have happened historically and are ignoring the absolutely unprecedented economic circumstances that have been created here.

The banks have no money. Not a dime. The fractional reserve is zero. Every dollar in your checking account is a mirage.

The Federal Reserve has no idea how many dollars are in circulation. They have stopped reporting it. Most assume they just don't want to tell us. I think it's because they don't know. The numbers have gotten so far out of control they simply cannot know.

Corporate debt has ballooned to such a massive degree using all this free money that the global economy is now riddled with zombie corporations such as Carnival Cruise or China Evergrande.

In the case of Evergrande it is the canary in the coal mine of the largest asset class in the world, the Chinese property market, imploding.

In other news the labour market has collapsed in the face of COVID restrictions, which is leading to a massive supply chain disruption that is fueling panic buying and shortages of key inputs like rare earth metals, plastics and industrial components.

This same supply chain has been made massively complex due to the destruction of the distributed manufacturing economy in favor of concentrating it in China. The same China now about to experience a massive financial panic.

Our political class has created a monster. A fucking ouroborous. There is no historical precedent for this. None. Not even the great depressions pre crash scenario comes close.

The cash is already loose in the wild. People aren't working because they have thousands of dollars in hand outs and free debts, while making massive gains in stocks and cryptos. The inflation is already here. And it's driving up prices massively even as goods become more scarce. When this breaks its not going to stop. It can't. The money is already loose and the only way to bring it back in is a massive interest rate hike. Which the Fed cannot do without destroying everything.
 
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Small, I'd wager. A bunch of it is tied up in reverse repo right now. That's why I disagree with the idea that there will be an asset run causing hyperinflation. With what money? A bunch of corporations are paper rich because of stock buybacks but they can't cash out without crashing. Everyone's just stuck.

You are aware that the correct measure of time for these repo operations is HOURS, right?
 
There is and will continue to be a large increase in small business creation, which drives real economic growth. 2020 saw an increase in the number of small businesses in the US. The 2021 numbers are going to look like the graph popped a boner. No one talks about that because it won't drive web traffic.
Finally found some stats. Being right is fucking awesome.

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Seems like a bad day for crypto all around, time to take a stroll to the /biz/ pink fields.


On a more serious note, what's going on? maybe I missed something.
 
But the bank would repossess it after you choose to spend your meager income entirely that month on 1 cheeseburger. Or the state would take it over after democrats seize control forgoing the farce of another "election". I dunno seems to me nobody knows how it'll play out and there's no smart moves.
If things get to the point where the government’s seizing property en masse, I think you’ll have bigger issues than having your name inked on a deed; issues such as finding a source of clean drinking water. Looking at investments through a doomer point of view is futile. If you’re considering your first home purchase based on what the interest rates might be when the apocalypse hits, you should rethink your priorities.
 
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