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Marissa Moira said:
Yet like I said before the developers who complained initially didn't follow through, because every single one released a game under a playstaion within the last month or so. In general nothing major has changed. Xseed may be going down the action game route after SoRAR was a hit though. They made the same mistake that ADV did by thinking anything Japanese automatically sells, but it appears now they're being more discriminating on what they publish, which is good.
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because they a) know that complaining doesn't change anything and at best is negative PR (if not a breach of contract) b) playstation has an install base of 100+ million, no one is gonna abandon that for tiddie pixels. money > principles. I really can't comprehend how such a simple concept is so hard to understand.

>The policies themselves are less strict than what Cero has.
post them then. playstation was always retarded, that's like saying the german ban on swastikas had no effect either when companies stopped putting them in their global releases because they couldn't be arsed to run separate SKUs just for some butthurt country. again, money > principle.

and it might be a novel concept to you, but some people like their ecchi games. doesn't mean people need them like they don't need nazi imagery in their games, but there's still a big difference between having them and not having them at all.
in the end of the day it's a product that still follows supply/demand, no matter the (censored) content, just like VNs do.

Marissa Moira said:
I'm going to be honest it's looking like the narrative that Sony is abandoning anything Japanese related is growing deader by the day.

So all those unnamed PS5 Japan Studio projects may be tie-in games it seems. Bandai is also listed to be giving a few Tales of Remasters to the PS5 if/when Arise comes out.
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says who?
ffs "abandoning anything japanese related" and "global focus" aren't the same fucking thing, stop trying to constantly spin that shit.
it's like the first part where you fail to grasp that this changed focus is very likely to have a long term effect (but hey, it certainly worked for capcom). shitting out some remasters/tie-ins to milk a franchise is proof for fucking nothing, because again, that's simple solid business logic. I'd be more worried what happens when those franchises inevitably turn to shit when that's all that is that drags those games along (unlikely to happen anytime soon, but most people - including you - like weebshit because it's not lowest common denominator trash for a global audience)
 
Marissa Moira said:
I'm going to be honest it's looking like the narrative that Sony is abandoning anything Japanese related is growing deader by the day.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Media-Entertainment/Sony-sees-10bn-profit-high-as-COVID-ups-home-entertainment-demand
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Is that the ex-ResetEra guy?

ZMOT said:
I'd be more worried what happens when those franchises inevitably turn to shit when that's all that is that drags those games along (unlikely to happen anytime soon, but most people - including you - like weebshit because it's not lowest common denominator trash for a global audience)
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The what's great about it. When they go woke, games and anime are censored in translation, and the franchises (or just the tie ins) go up in flames, executives (and fanboys) can claim that licenced games always sucked and weebs are filthy pirates who never buy anything. Arse covered, bullshit justified, and Sony can keep barrelling full speed towards a cliff named bankruptcy.
 
You know what is growing deader by the day?
Sony's japanese market.

特にスイッチの国内における存在感は圧倒的である。毎週ファミ通が発表している販売ランキングでも上位のほとんどがスイッチのゲームタイトルで、任天堂は事実上プレイステーションを駆逐した状態になっている。残念なことだが、以前に筆者も指摘した「国内におけるプレステブランドの凋落」は周知のものになってしまった。
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According to Hideki Yasuda, Senior Analyst, Ace Research Institute, Inc. the presence of the Switch in Japan is particularly overwhelming. In the weekly sales ranking published by Famitsu, most of the top titles are Switch games for continuous weeks, and Nintendo has practically 'eradicated' Playstation in all fronts. He said it was unfortunate situation but expected, as the "decline of the Playstation brand in Japan" has become a well-known fact in the country.
 
Judge Dredd said:
Is that the ex-ResetEra guy?


The what's great about it. When they go woke, games and anime are censored in translation, and the franchises (or just the tie ins) go up in flames, executives (and fanboys) can claim that licenced games always sucked and weebs are filthy pirates who never buy anything. Arse covered, bullshit justified, and Sony can keep barrelling full speed towards a cliff named bankruptcy.
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I dunno if he's from resetera or not, I never honestly kept track of who was in charge over there.

I don't think going woke is going to be a concern, because the biggest markets for importing anime is actually the US and China. You may wind up with what Disney had and having a bunch of stuff geared towards China that falls flat everywhere else, I think that's got a bigger chance at happening than anything else.

BananaSplit said:
You know what is growing deader by the day?
Sony's japanese market.


According to Hideki Yasuda, Senior Analyst, Ace Research Institute, Inc. the presence of the Switch in Japan is particularly overwhelming. In the weekly sales ranking published by Famitsu, most of the top titles are Switch games for continuous weeks, and Nintendo has practically 'eradicated' Playstation in all fronts. He said it was unfortunate situation but expected, as the "decline of the Playstation brand in Japan" has become a well-known fact in the country.
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I'm going to wait until the system actually hits saturation, because the last system that was a bomb was the wii-u and that had higher sales than the switch within it's first six months when it launched and when the switch itself launched it took more than two years to over take the playstation 4. Mind you I also had a wii-u at launch and the only two real games that got any major play was Monster Hunter 3U and Xenoblade Chronicles X. There's already two Trails of games coming to PS5 and there's a chance that XSeed is going to take the sadbrains version of Trails in the Sky trilogy and give it a physical release.

It's clear that people still want the system so there's certainly no lack of demand. There's also the fact that Playstation 4 games also work with the PS5 so everything that's still coming out for the PS4 gets to work on the PS5. That's not a bad position to be in considering what we know of when it came to consoles that have failed in the past. They apparently revised their earning upwards for the playstation and are expecting it to beat records established by all previous consoles.

Honestly if censorship was going to rear it's head and overtake things it would have happened or there would have been rumblings of it to happen, but it's looking like the policy is just going to be retired in the wake of IPs and games getting a western release that we never had before. Tales of Phantasia and both Tales of Destiny games getting a big deal western re-release looks like it's got a real good chance at happening.
 
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Marissa Moira said:
I'm going to be honest it's looking like the narrative that Sony is abandoning anything Japanese related is growing deader by the day.


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So all those unnamed PS5 Japan Studio projects may be tie-in games it seems. Bandai is also listed to be giving a few Tales of Remasters to the PS5 if/when Arise comes out.
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Sony owns Funimation AND Crunchyroll

Whatever anime games they produce will come out like this.

 
Miller said:
Not if they make SonyHQ-approved anime.
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The only time that happened was with Gravity Rush

I'd say maybe God of War and possibly Horizon since things like Turok, Halo and such got anime years ago.

The thing is though what brought the tumberite crowd to anime was the Dangan Ronpa VNs, that was the genre they rode in on and they really have not spread into other things outside of Animal Crossing. Difficulty is a great way to naturally wall these people off. Most of them just watch twitch and view games as a non-interactive experience. The more interactive you make a game the less likely they're going to want to touch it. Tumblr also likes Jojo because of how gay their mental imagery of the characters are, however this didn't transfer into any of the game sales because they're all some form of fighter which is a genre they don't like.

XMassAllYearRound said:
Sony owns Funimation AND Crunchyroll

Whatever anime games they produce will come out like this.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lrINOumUccA
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They already have the rights to Demon Slayer and others and they were left alone. That one single line in Dragon maid season 1 was more or less a fluke and not the norm.

Especially since they also have the rights to Dragon Maid Season 2 and Spike Chunsoft also worked with them to push out the Re:Zero VN and had the english cast be put in it.

Now a real test would be is if they ever remaster Cromartie and change the jokes to meet modern sensitivities. Then again Shield Hero had nothing changed about it and that was one that everyone thought would be heavily altered.
 
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Marissa Moira said:
The thing is though what brought the tumberite crowd to anime was the Dangan Ronpa VNs, that was the genre they rode in on and they really have not spread into other things outside of Animal Crossing. Difficulty is a great way to naturally wall these people off. Most of them just watch twitch and view games as a non-interactive experience. The more interactive you make a game the less likely they're going to want to touch it. Tumblr also likes Jojo because of how gay their mental imagery of the characters are, however this didn't transfer into any of the game sales because they're all some form of fighter which is a genre they don't like.
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What is this?

If you mean games, no. Tumblr rode in on walking simulators like Gone Home, Undertale, and Life is Strange.

If you mean anime, again no. They generally consider anime too problematic, and stick to mainstream shows like JoJo, Dragon Maid, and Goblin Slayer. The reason they get into fandoms is in order keep up with the epic maymays and argue which characters are gay, but the thing has to have mainstream appeal or they don't care. Maybe there's a side to Tumblr anime I don't know about, but from the lolcow communities I follow, it's the usual big mainstream animes they obsess over.

Marissa Moira said:
They already have the rights to Demon Slayer and others and they were left alone.
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Marissa Moira said:
Now a real test would be is if they ever remaster Cromartie and change the jokes to meet modern sensitivities.
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You've not so much moved the goalpost, but claimed the goalposts don't exist and that you want to play a different sport.

These Sony policies, these buyouts, it's not about a given scene being changed or censored. That ship has long sailed. Sony wants to make sure another Interspecies Reviewers won't happen again, and the only way to do that is prevent them from getting that far along. The real test would be a show as extreme and "problematic" as Interspecies Reviewers getting produced, advertised, and aired on their services. Anything less proves nothing, because anything problematic will be snuffed out long before we know about it.
 
Marissa Moira said:
They already have the rights to Demon Slayer and others and they were left alone. That one single line in Dragon maid season 1 was more or less a fluke and not the norm.

Especially since they also have the rights to Dragon Maid Season 2 and Spike Chunsoft also worked with them to push out the Re:Zero VN and had the english cast be put in it.

Now a real test would be is if they ever remaster Cromartie and change the jokes to meet modern sensitivities. Then again Shield Hero had nothing changed about it and that was one that everyone thought would be heavily altered.
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Just a fluke, suuuuure

 
Marissa Moira said:
They already have the rights to Demon Slayer and others and they were left alone. That one single line in Dragon maid season 1 was more or less a fluke and not the norm.

Especially since they also have the rights to Dragon Maid Season 2 and Spike Chunsoft also worked with them to push out the Re:Zero VN and had the english cast be put in it.
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You're pulling the "Popular IPs weren't altered and everything else was an isolated incident" argument again.

There's multiple examples of Funi changing the script to something that doesn't match up with the original dialogue with unnecessary politics added in.

You seem to think that censorship doesn't matter if the IP isn't that popular to begin with or if it doesn't adhere to your tastes, I'm not even sure what you're arguing for at this point.
 
KokoroKoroki said:
You're pulling the "Popular IPs weren't altered and everything else was an isolated incident" argument again.

There's multiple examples of Funi changing the script to something that doesn't match up with the original dialogue with unnecessary politics added in.

You seem to think that censorship doesn't matter if the IP isn't that popular to begin with or if it doesn't adhere to your tastes, I'm not even sure what you're arguing for at this point.
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Dragoon Maid was the only one that actually caused a blow up. Nothing else actually did.

Judge Dredd said:
What is this?

If you mean games, no. Tumblr rode in on walking simulators like Gone Home, Undertale, and Life is Strange.

If you mean anime, again no. They generally consider anime too problematic, and stick to mainstream shows like JoJo, Dragon Maid, and Goblin Slayer. The reason they get into fandoms is in order keep up with the epic maymays and argue which characters are gay, but the thing has to have mainstream appeal or they don't care. Maybe there's a side to Tumblr anime I don't know about, but from the lolcow communities I follow, it's the usual big mainstream animes they obsess over.
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The first real documentation of tumblr fucking with anime and games was with the DR LPs on Something Awful. That was when shit started to go downhill and poisoned many online communities. There's nothing earlier than that, at least what I can find. I think that's effectively patient zero, that came out years before gone home did. Gone home was stage 2, the problem had already festered for years at that point.

Judge Dredd said:
You've not so much moved the goalpost, but claimed the goalposts don't exist and that you want to play a different sport.

These Sony policies, these buyouts, it's not about a given scene being changed or censored. That ship has long sailed. Sony wants to make sure another Interspecies Reviewers won't happen again, and the only way to do that is prevent them from getting that far along. The real test would be a show as extreme and "problematic" as Interspecies Reviewers getting produced, advertised, and aired on their services. Anything less proves nothing, because anything problematic will be snuffed out long before we know about it.
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I dunno what exactly happened to interspecies reviewers, I thought Rightstuf was handling that. The books are still getting put out but the anime was supposed to be released in physical format this year. it doesn't look like that got canceled or anything since the page is still up.
 
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Marissa Moira said:
Dragoon Maid was the only one that actually caused a blow up. Nothing else actually did.
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I'm not even into modern anime and I remember Prison School blowing up. So much so that they re-dubbed the episode. I also remember JoJo getting stick for removing the music references.

Marissa Moira said:
The first real documentation of tumblr fucking with anime and games was with the DR LPs on Something Awful. That was when shit started to go downhill and poisoned many online communities. There's nothing earlier than that, at least what I can find.
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Do you know what your own argument is any more?

If you're talking the critical mass SJW woke bullshit, Gone Home, Undertale, and Life is Strange were that.

Patient zero is far more complex. The "hipster dickhead" song came out in 2008, so SJWism was well known enough to be the source of parody. Braid was one of the first hipster indies (2008), Caraline Petit's review of The Third Birthday was in 2011.

Before that, there was all the criticism over Dead or Alive Xtreme 2 (2006), and feminists have been complaining about video games since Tomb Raider in the 90s.

But even if we say that a Something Awful let's play nobody has seen/read was the source, what's the connection to Sony in 2021?
 
Judge Dredd said:
But even if we say that a Something Awful let's play nobody has seen/read was the source, what's the connection to Sony in 2021?
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Because I was suggesting taking VNs and having them be actual games too hard for the average actual game journalists or gender troglodyte to play.

Essentially you starve them out. Build a wall of difficulty around them, it's the ideal way of gatekeeping. You don't want some unified force that they can name and shame and villainize. A benevolent behemoth that they're forced to climb is more ideal.

There's a ton of people who have started to view games as a spectator hobby like movies or TV. That's not the strong point of games, you lose what makes the medium special.

These people came in on non-interactivity, that's the bridge that got them here. You get rid of that, the problem solves itself.
 
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Marissa Moira said:
Because I was suggesting taking VNs and having them be actual games too hard for the average actual game journalists or gender troglodyte to play.

Essentially you starve them out. Build a wall of difficulty around them, it's the ideal way of gatekeeping. You don't want some unified force that they can name and shame and villainize. A benevolent behemoth that they're forced to climb is more ideal.

There's a ton of people who have started to view games as a spectator hobby like movies or TV. That's not the strong point of games, you lose what makes the medium special.

These people came in on non-interactivity, that's the bridge that got them here. You get rid of that, the problem solves itself.
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But the only VN you've called out for any sort of "troon appeal" is Danganronpa.

Even then you're suggesting that all of these games...:
Ace Attorney
Steins;Gate
Doki Doki Literature Club
Higurashi
The Fate Franchise
Professor Layton

...that have built their reputation from having strong stories and have never once tried to appeal to specific minorities should all be cut out because of the notion that they're somehow going to cause journos and troons to actually play and review games properly?

I don't even know what causes you to think that, it''s one hell of a stretch to suggest this without anything to prove it.
 
KokoroKoroki said:
But the only VN you've called out for any sort of "troon appeal" is Danganronpa.

Even then you're suggesting that all of these games...:
Ace Attorney
Steins;Gate
Doki Doki Literature Club
Higurashi
The Fate Franchise
Professor Layton

...that have built their reputation from having strong stories and have never once tried to appeal to specific minorities should all be cut out because of the notion that they're somehow going to cause journos and troons to actually play and review games properly?

I don't even know what causes you to think that, it''s one hell of a stretch to suggest this without anything to prove it.
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That's kind of the problem(outside of maybe Ace Attorney since they used similar systems to Broken Sword and Layton is a puzzle game not a visual novel). Games are not supposed to have the main appeal be the story, games are all about the mechanics. Most games can trace their origins back to table top games, every RPG can trace it's origins back to Ultima, which can trace itself back to D&D for example.

Stories are not the reason why games exist, stories in games just exist to provide context at most. Once it becomes the main focus it stops being a game. That's why people shit all over games trying to be Oscar Bait. Visual Novels all fall into the category of non-games.

if you want a real good example, there's videos out there comparing old Halo to new ones. Bungie spent their time working on fixing the mechanics and balacing shit and redoing builds after playtesting rounds, you think they spent all that time re-writing the script? Hell no, Halo 5 did that.

 
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right reasons to hate The Medium: It's a poorly optimized Silent Hill cashgrab with shitty controls to feel like good ol' days
wrong reasons: "Muh mental illness"
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I can't stand horror fandoms these days!
This is why we're only getting mediocre shit about "evil" corporations and white people forming cults now.
The irony is, if SH2 came out today these hos be cancelling it for "problematic" content.
 
Voidburger is such a joyless cunt. I've worked with people like her before and they're constantly on a hair trigger and always complaining. They truly suck monster donkey balls as people and as coworkers. That LP'er guy she's dating must be desperate because I'd off myself if I was stuck to someone like that who was constantly looking for reasons to stab me in the back or complain about issues that don't matter.
 
Coldsteel the Hedgehog said:
Not to be late, but Funi has been fucking with dubs as far back as the 2000s with shows like Hetalia of all things. They seemed to have done a 180, though, since the Hetalia dubs actually make the show more offensive by straight up adding holocaust jokes. How the tables have turned, I suppose.
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Funimation back in the 2000's used to have it's own channel so many dubs had to comply with FCC regulations. You couldn't say certain words so you had to replace them with others or words that were not on the books depending on what age range the show was.

elzaw said:
right reasons to hate The Medium: It's a poorly optimized Silent Hill cashgrab with shitty controls to feel like good ol' days
wrong reasons: "Muh mental illness"
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I can't stand horror fandoms these days!
This is why we're only getting mediocre shit about "evil" corporations and white people forming cults now.
The irony is, if SH2 came out today these hos be cancelling it for "problematic" content.
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Oh dear god we're getting to the point where they're going to start saying that all FPS games should be banned because they make light of all the black people who get shot.

The whole horror genre is based on pretty much losing control of your mind/sanity or having body horror stuff or having some nefarious other wanting to chase after you and kill you.

Romero type Zombies were entirely about having their mind decay as they slowly go from people into a cannibalistic rotting mess, that's what made them cool. They were the slow corruption of the norm, kind of like how vampires or werewolves worked.


On an unrelated note apparently Sony just bought a major share in Fromsoft's parent company and has apparently reached a deal with Capcom regarding a new Monster Hunter(although this is still heavily rumored). This is what I mean when I say they're more willing to throw money around to fund shit. nitnendo doesn't really do the same (but they should). If they're planning on bringing more Soulsborne games over as exclusives and a new Monster Hunter, efforts like that really help push genres to the next level. The THQ buyout of Gearbox is within the similar vein you can really help other genres become more widespread and give smaller genre titles some better funding to perfect their systems.
 
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