Culture Wars General - KiA Diet Coke Edition

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Judge Dredd said:
I don't think the concept was unfathomable. I think it was more that it was their side of the political isle, so they turned a blind eye.
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Possibly, but I also think the reason why so many from those generations cleaved to that side of the political isle was because they were opposed to the moral guardians in the Religious Right.

To them, a moral guardian was either a suburbanite Karen soccer mom who voted GOP because of low taxes and "muh decorum" or a Bible-thumping Evangelical Protestant hillbilly who thought listening to rock music, playing vidya games, and wearing Halloween costumes were degenerate behaviors worthy of eternal fiery damnation.

These Millennials and X'ers couldn't even fathom the possibility that they would become what they once hated, just under a different banner.

My parents and uncle are both center-left liberals and all three of them are Generation X'ers, and they can't seem to grasp just how much the game has changed and how the Religious Right is dead and irrelevant while the Left are the moral despots now.

I think part of it has to do with the fact we're from Appalachia, the most morally conservative part of the old Bible Belt (to the point of practically being a de facto regional theocracy during the Religious Right's heyday) and the only region where the Religious Right isn't completely spectral (even if it is in decline there)

The initial rise of the Woke Left and Anita's canonization was the "I wonder if we're the baddies?" meme but in real life.
 
Marissa Moira said:
it's the crew cut or shaven head but for girls, it's so common at this point that it's a default template.

And what's worse is that they've started giving the same haircuts to dogs.
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It's just funny how this weird androgyny trend only affects the females. Meanwhile male characters for the most part stayed the same.
 
Dom Cruise said:
Here's a question for you all, how close were you to actually being on the SJWs' side when it comes to gaming? What exactly was the thing that made you go "no, wait, this is bullshit"
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Basically I was one of those gamers at the time for whom Bioshock was a masterpiece and wished games were more like that and less like Call of Duty.

However when things started going Woke one of the main tenets of it was declaring a jihad on sexy video game women,
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I am a left wing morla guardian and I didn't have vidya or decent tv during the formative years of my life, so I wanted and still want two things:
- for games to be the fantastic mishmash versions of playground and tabletop games;
- for stories to be no worse than the stories in books, plus interactivity.

So to me Bioshock is hot garbage and Call of Duty would be a decent game to play with friends at school, and I was cautiously optimistic about the jihad on sexy women (=whores). Unfortunately capitalists gonna cap, so the jihad, where it was successful, didn't replace sexy whores with based trad Heroines of Labor, it replaced sexy whores with ugly whores.
 
I think Liana's recent tweet is relevant to the discussion:

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Personally I found Anita's videos entertaining: "AC Syndicate? Jacob - white male, bad. Evie - strong woman, good. Gameplay??... - It's an Assassins' Creed game..."
Okay yeah, she lost her sponsors because she stopped being relevant as a professional victim but it only proved she never actually cared about "positive changes for women in gaming". Literally nobody could stop her from playing games or sperging about "presumed straight male gamers", she admitted defeat on her own and moved on to complain about boob armour in Star Wars because this gives her more clicks. Same about Wu and other clowns.
I'm maybe a little optimistic here but the fact that we went from an angry feminist whining about sexism in games to an angry feminist (or whoever the fuck Brie Larson is) getting paid to play and promote games sounds like a good thing? I think gamers on average are more accepting and adapt to the changes easier because gaming is evolving faster than any other form of entertainment. Even with all the ugly body-positive wahmen in skorts I at least still have the ability to find the games enjoyable. On the other hand, SJWs, popcult critics or whatever don't actually want any changes because then they will have nothing to complain about, that's how miserable they are.

Pardon my gay autistic sperging, but I hope you'll have a great week, presumed straight white male gamers🌈
 
Safir said:
I am a left wing morla guardian and I didn't have vidya or decent tv during the formative years of my life, so I wanted and still want two things:
- for games to be the fantastic mishmash versions of playground and tabletop games;
- for stories to be no worse than the stories in books, plus interactivity.

So to me Bioshock is hot garbage and Call of Duty would be a decent game to play with friends at school, and I was cautiously optimistic about the jihad on sexy women (=whores). Unfortunately capitalists gonna cap, so the jihad, where it was successful, didn't replace sexy whores with based trad Heroines of Labor, it replaced sexy whores with ugly whores.
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You make an interesting distinction with "war on whores" vs "war on sexy". I'm ok with fictional characters being more attractive than average (actors, etc), but the extreme sexual availability to the player is offputting (though for some reason Skyrim doesn't bother me despite how you can marry most NPCs).

I always thought it was weird how every woman has to be hot and half naked in fiction when I was growing up. Especially when (looking at you, sci fi) the cover art disagrees with the actual book on aspects of appearance. I think it's equally weird how now every woman has to be ugly and have the same haircut. Both objectify women by adapting their bodies to the norms of the day. Neither Tumblr fan service nor catering to the male gaze contributes to the game, which would ideally either have its own setting or look like real life where women range from ugly to hot and from total prudes to free nudes.

I'll let anything slide if it's deeply integrated into the game itself rather than just "every woman is hot and sexually available to the player". Vampire Bloodlines was full of that stuff, but it (mostly) integrated your ability to seduce/convince characters, feed, etc. Contrast The Witcher with the whole cards thing (though that's so gratuitously over the top I can almost let it slide as campy, and a fit dangerous man who's sterile and immune to disease probably would be pretty popular with the ladies before contraception.)

Then again child me formed my views on gender by reading a crap ton of Heinlein and then believing the exact opposite because of how batshit it was.
 
Tismguide said:
You make an interesting distinction with "war on whores" vs "war on sexy". I'm ok with fictional characters being more attractive than average (actors, etc), but the extreme sexual availability to the player is offputting (though for some reason Skyrim doesn't bother me despite how you can marry most NPCs).
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In Skyrim, none of the NPCs have a personality, so they have all the sexual appeal of toast. If you install sexy body mods, then you have lust but even then the appeal is limited.

I saw this with Mass Effect. Despite the writers instance that straight male Shepherd romance Ms Bland or Ms Bland with blue skin, everyone wanted Tali, the one with a personality.
 
Tachibana said:
According to Slasher, you won't be able to use the words "simp", "incel" and "virgin" on Twitch anymore as they'll be against Terms of Service. This includes emotes that relate to simps in any way.


What the fuck is going on at Twitch?
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Twitch has been making a bunch of dumb changes to their policies very recently. Not sure if it was already posted, but they made a post regarding these new changes on their website.

https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2020/12/09/introducing-our-new-hateful-conduct-harassment-policy/

Interestingly, they have some very specific new rules that seem pretty stupid to include under normal circumstances.

  • Claiming that the victim of a well-documented violent tragedy is a crisis actor, or is lying
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Do they have a problem with conspiracy types on Twitch? Can't recall a single one getting that popular because I can't recall a single reason for including this specifically.
 
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Just a question for general opinions about Vidya culture war.

I've always had no problems with "diverse" cast, it was only the screeching "SJW" (Sadly this word can't be used unironically like it was in 2014 anymore) who wanted things catered to them that annoyed me.
In fact I think adding ethnic minorities or female characters is good as long as it's done in good taste and not shoehorned in for woke points, that the characters are simply bad stereotypes. I don't mind homosexual relationship in story too.

However what I kind of wonder/worry is whether or not adding trannies characters will become the "next big thing" as part of the woke project, or is it too unprofitable to do it?

I personally don't like troons in videogames because they end up making you feel like you're being lectured about gender, and "authentic self". Which I believe is just a fad today, and in long term it might be viewed as medical mistake like how doctors refused to wash their hands or lobotomy. This shit will likely get very dated in about 10+ years time, imo.

And it always cause controversy regardless what they do. Making the character too similar to they sex they want to be is bad because they're not realistic and not trans enough, making the character "realistic" will get them screeching because they'll feel like it's mockery or the acknowledgement of original sex features have them dysphoria. Or some other dumb reasons why they're not pleased on Kotaku.

It sorta "works" in cyberpunk because the whole theme of body modification (though it doesn't stop troons screaming), or in Outlast 2, where the Devs don't even cater to wokies they just have a troon villain as part of the theme. Bioware attempt just feel forced, and in TLOU2 is also feel forced as well. (Not to mention how their troons story seem ironic.)


I don't actually mind it in some cases, where it fits the narrative. But I wonder if troon stuff will be the next trend get shoved in... Non-story heavy games with selectable characters?
 
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Deepland Bystander said:
Just a question for general opinions about Vidya culture war.

I've always had no problems with "diverse" cast, it was only the screeching "SJW" (Sadly this word can't be used unironically like it was in 2014 anymore) who wanted things catered to them that annoyed me.
In fact I think adding ethnic minorities or female characters is good as long as it's done in good taste and not shoehorned in for woke points, that the characters are simply bad stereotypes. I don't mind homosexual relationship in story too.

However what I kind of wonder/worry is whether or not adding trannies characters will become the "next big thing" as part of the woke project, or is it too unprofitable to do it?

I personally don't like troons in videogames because they end up making you feel like you're being lectured about gender, and "authentic self". Which I believe is just a fad today, and in long term it might be viewed as medical mistake like how doctors refused to wash their hands or lobotomy. This shit will likely get very dated in about 10+ years time, imo.

And it always cause controversy regardless what they do. Making the character too similar to they sex they want to be is bad because they're not realistic and not trans enough, making the character "realistic" will get them screeching because they'll feel like it's mockery or the acknowledgement of original sex features have them dysphoria. Or some other dumb reasons why they're not pleased on Kotaku.

It sorta "works" in cyberpunk because the whole theme of body modification (though it doesn't stop troons screaming), or in Outlast 2, where the Devs don't even cater to wokies they just have a troon villain as part of the theme. Bioware attempt just feel forced, and in TLOU2 is also feel forced as well. (Not to mention how their troons story seem ironic.)


I don't actually mind it in some cases, where it fits the narrative. But I wonder if troon stuff will be the next trend get shoved in... Non-story heavy games with selectable characters?
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Dontnod's recent Not Another Life is Strange disaster was nothing but a game equivalent of an oscarbait - take a drink every time the main character mentions he's trans, it's incredible how insecure this game is. I actually kinda liked Tyler but since the writers got so paranoid of what GLAAD might think, they had to make absolutely sure he never does anything wrong and never gets hurt. The worst part is the story actually had a interesting setup about how two kids murdered their mom, reunited years later and tried to remember what exactly happened. It's the problem that they try to put "representation" in favor of actual personality. Not to mention the game flopped anyway...

If someone ever decides to make a cyberpunk murder mystery thriller game where the protagonist just happens to be a transgender black lesbian detective, I'd probably play it as the long as the story and gameplay are decent and the character's gender isn't the main focus. But have fun trying to satisfy these kind of people:
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Miller said:
It makes sense since the admins and the mod teams are simps for the biggest Twitch thots.
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In the latest development, the guy making the tweet got called out in a Twitch internal meeting. Their amazing take on the situation is that "the community just doesn't understand"


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Then you have smarty pants in the replies saying "You just can't use the word to harass someone", because you use the words "simp", "incel", "virgin" without a subject attached to it.
 
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