Culture Wars General - KiA Diet Coke Edition

[Marissa Moira]

I take the DOA6 situation with a grain of salt. They got shit on by all sides when they admitted they wouldn't release DOA Xtreme 3 in the west due to social justice. They wanted to avoid that again.


Due in part to being a bad game, but it also had woke shit inserted during localisation.

At the end though he admits that he was a girl all along with the proper equipment.

It was a double reverse trap.

Spoiler

They're all inside a computer simulation and he's not a real person so he could switch avatars at will and remake his appearence

 

[Miller]

A new VP of Diversity for Ubisoft:

 

[Marissa Moira]

A new VP of Diversity for Ubisoft:

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There's so many shitty puns I could make, but I can't pick just one. I guess she's suited for a diversity position after all.

 

[Brain Problems]

A new VP of Diversity for Ubisoft:

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Good for her for tricking all these companies into parting with shekel after shekel on her grievance mongering race grifting ass. With any luck she'll help contribute to the eventual decline and collapse of Ubisoft by siphoning much needed resources with her six figure salary and focused hiring of incompetent troons and danger-hairs (but I repeat myself).

 

[Tachibana]

Good for her for tricking all these companies into parting with shekel after shekel on her grievance mongering race grifting ass. With any luck she'll help contribute to the eventual decline and collapse of Ubisoft by siphoning much needed resources with her six figure salary and focused hiring of incompetent troons and danger-hairs (but I repeat myself).

I expect a lot of inner turmoil within their divisions if they start going for that.

But then again, I'd like to think you need a special kind of person to work in the games industry, the kind of person who thinks the company cares about them, and happily does unpaid crunch thinking they'll get the cummies from daddy Ubisoft.

Some of the stories I've seen from Ubisoft concerning sexual harassment and other business transgressions makes me think Ubisoft hires people with no spines. Imagine being in a meeting with the guy who thinks growling at women in meetings makes him hot and desirable. I don't think I'd have the self control or lack of self respect not to laugh myself out of the job.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Some of the stories I've seen from Ubisoft concerning sexual harassment and other business transgressions makes me think Ubisoft hires people with no spines.

They're French.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Here's a question for you all, how close were you to actually being on the SJWs' side when it comes to gaming? What exactly was the thing that made you go "no, wait, this is bullshit"?

It's a weird situation for me, close and yet not close at all, basically before SJWs you had the "games as art" crowd (Anthony Burch is a perfect example of this evolution) which I was very sympathetic to, I used to be pretty hipster when it came to video games, I turned my nose up and hated shit like Call of Duty Modern Warfare, I liked games to be more artistic and story driven or to have quirky sensibilities, I didn't like most "dudebro" games.

Basically I was one of those gamers at the time for whom Bioshock was a masterpiece and wished games were more like that and less like Call of Duty.

However when things started going Woke one of the main tenets of it was declaring a jihad on sexy video game women, which while no fan of something like Call of Duty, I've always loved my T&A in games, I love my sexy fighting game girls, I love my fanservice and eye candy, I was never for one second going to be on the side of someone that wanted to take all of that away.

But that's the irony I guess is if they hadn't gotten such a stick up their ass about sexual content in games, if it had been more about trying to take gaming away from the "dudebros" I probably would have been more on their side, but you mess with sexy fanservice you mess with me, that's what it all comes down to.

I do miss the old school "games as art" crowd though and when trying to push gaming forward as a storytelling medium didn't go so hand in hand with being woke, I want more games like Silent Hill 2, which is an artistic masterpiece but is definitely not "woke"

 

[Judge Dredd]

Here's a question for you all, how close were you to actually being on the SJWs' side when it comes to gaming? What exactly was the thing that made you go "no, wait, this is bullshit"?

I was SJW. Not full SJW by todays standards, but full SJW for the time. I was all about representation and all of that nonsense.

I don't know what un-SJW'd me. If I did I'd spread it around as much as possible. I think it was small lies building up until the whole thing came crashing down.

While I liked the "games as art" idea, I was never on board with the execution from the start. I thought Silent Hill 2 was overrated, I thought Bioshock was okay, I thought Braid and Gone Home were pretentious tripe. One funny thing was that I knew Spec Ops: The Line was going to be an art game before release. Back then, people judged it as a generic shooter and I was called an idiot for saying there was going to be more to the game than that. It was only after it was a flop did the art game crowd rally around it. Ditto with TellTale's The Walking Dead. It was ignored as a mainstream zombie game until a few episodes in.

Then, as now, I think games should be judged on their own merits as games, not as poetry, films, or books.

One thing that always bothered me was bullying people who didn't like a game. Calling them idiots who were too stupid to enjoy a game where something didn't explode every five seconds, dismissing great games as "skinner boxes". The hypocrisy of saying that criticism is healthy and should be encouraged, while criticism of their games is off limits. This is still happening today with games like Goodbye Volcano High and The Last of Us 2.

 

[AnOminous]

Here's a question for you all, how close were you to actually being on the SJWs' side when it comes to gaming? What exactly was the thing that made you go "no, wait, this is bullshit"?

I definitely get irritated as fuck at the assholes who start reeeeing whenever they see a black character but while those people exist, they're an embarrassing stereotype of the anti-SJW. I'm not sure of any specific thing that really made me finally decide yeah, the anti-SJWs are right, these people are utter shit, but the general time would probably have been when the specific word "problematic" started appearing literally everywhere to describe literally everything.

Probably it was the drama on 4chan that drew my attention to it, where I more or less started with the opinion that this was just more crazy /pol/ bullshit, but the banning of all discussion of it, then moot turning into a complete cuck, and then the Zoe/Eron litigation, fairly quickly turned me into a raving anti-SJW.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I was SJW. Not full SJW by todays standards, but full SJW for the time. I was all about representation and all of that nonsense.

I don't know what un-SJW'd me. If I did I'd spread it around as much as possible. I think it was small lies building up until the whole thing came crashing down.

While I liked the "games as art" idea, I was never on board with the execution from the start. I thought Silent Hill 2 was overrated, I thought Bioshock was okay, I thought Braid and Gone Home were pretentious tripe. One funny thing was that I knew Spec Ops: The Line was going to be an art game before release. Back then, people judged it as a generic shooter and I was called an idiot for saying there was going to be more to the game than that. It was only after it was a flop did the art game crowd rally around it. Ditto with TellTale's The Walking Dead. It was ignored as a mainstream zombie game until a few episodes in.

Then, as now, I think games should be judged on their own merits as games, not as poetry, films, or books.

One thing that always bothered me was bullying people who didn't like a game. Calling them idiots who were too stupid to enjoy a game where something didn't explode every five seconds, dismissing great games as "skinner boxes". The hypocrisy of saying that criticism is healthy and should be encouraged, while criticism of their games is off limits. This is still happening today with games like Goodbye Volcano High and The Last of Us 2.

I never gave a shit about representation but it's not something I would have opposed to had it not been so wrapped up in wanting to take sexy women out of everything and so demonizing white men.

Thinking back on it further I wasn't even wholly against Anita Sarkeesian in 2012, but only because I didn't really understand what she was all about, I didn't understand the shift that was happening, "sexy=sexist" was so wholly alien to my line of thinking that it took me a while to recognize that's what was going on, I just never imagined anyone could be so tight assed.

It wasn't until people raised a stink about the Sorceress breasts in Dragon's Crown in 2013 did it really become clear to me what was going on.

But even then, things were still pretty different in 2013, I didn't dislike Gone Home for example, it wasn't until everything really exploded with Gamergate in 2014 did it truly become clear just how hateful those people are, that's when I fully picked a side same as it was for I assume most people.

Spec Ops: The Line is another good example of the kind of games I liked, but very quickly the whole "subverting expectations" thing wore out it's welcome.

 

[AnOminous]

Thinking back on it further I wasn't even wholly against Anita Sarkeesian in 2012, but only because I didn't really understand what she was all about, I didn't understand the shift that was happening, "sexy=sexist" was so wholly alien to my line of thinking that it took me a while to recognize that's what was going on, I just never imagined anyone could be so tight assed.

Anita Sarkeesian was also definitely part of it. I think she was given way too much attention, though, and it played into her hands. Still it was pretty obvious especially if you were around for the previous events, that this was basically Jack Thompson with tits and a slightly smoother delivery. The problem is it was a lot harder to portray Sarkeesian as some absolute raving lunatic. Much of what she said was in line with mainstream feminist orthodoxy. What was wrong was lots of details of games she obvious knew little to nothing about, and when what you were raving about with regard to someone was that they got some nerd shit wrong you come across as a creepy obsessed nerd, which to be fair at least some of the people attacking her obviously were.

While I have no doubt this was entirely intentional, going on a raving boogeyman rampage about her was a waste of time, made her lots of money, and was one of the dumbest things goobergrape ever did. As much bad optics as there was to attacking Zoe Quinn, she was a much better target. Much better to make the SJWs defend a ridiculous con artist than an at least semi-plausible barely-a-con-artist with at least minimal academic qualifications.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Here's a question for you all, how close were you to actually being on the SJWs' side when it comes to gaming? What exactly was the thing that made you go "no, wait, this is bullshit"?

It turns out, if you play video games, you start to see "wait... this is bullshit."

I was on Anita starsleezans side when I was a wee teen girl. I liked what she was saying, I thought it was a bit much because I was thinking I could name more games with good portrayals of women than she could, but I felt her. But a month or two later, some tumblr post critiquing her came out. Including her getting a nice, new pair of shoes that sure cost an awful lot...

Coupled with general sjw critique post and I got out of it. I saw the farms around 2016 from a link to Vade's thread and learned the whole gamergate debacle and such.

I never got as hard into it as I could have in spite of my tumblr bent. Perhaps its because I played smash and pokemon constantly with my group of mostly dude friends from middle school to high school. We just had a good time. It wasn't really a secret that the MMO or the CoD fanbase were toxic, but a lot of male gamers were really chill and welcoming. I think knowing friendly people is half the battle for stuff like this.

 

[Judge Dredd]

The problem is it was a lot harder to portray Sarkeesian as some absolute raving lunatic. Much of what she said was in line with mainstream feminist orthodoxy.

I think it was simply the sides had changed.

Thompson and co. had the ear of the mainstream media appealing to an out of touch boomer audience, but we largely ridiculed by everybody else. There was also no politics in the game (at least in the UK). If it was political, it was the party most people hated at the time. Sometimes they attempted to give the illusion of a fare debate by putting Thompson* up against some idiot.

*In the UK, we rarely got Thompson himself. Usually it was third rate people running with his ideas. Imagine Thompson but somehow even less informed.

With Anita, there was a defined lefty political angle to it. All the press was in on defending her, not just the legacy media. It wasn't pushed by out of touch boomers, but 30-somethings who went through the violence moral panic a decade or two previously. There was no attempt to give the illusion of a fair debate, people who disagreed were banned from speaking outright. And Anita play the victim, so any legitimate points could be buried with "the bomb threats though".

 

[Tachibana]

Here's a question for you all, how close were you to actually being on the SJWs' side when it comes to gaming? What exactly was the thing that made you go "no, wait, this is bullshit"?

When they started fucking every hobby group I was in into the dirt. What was jarring to me was the disrespect for the people who ran said hobby groups for years, and in general had a positive influence on them, they would keep group members safe etc...

But because they don't fit in the new doctrine, and want to fix issues with actual context, they needed to go. One of the things I think you need to be good at is hit the floor, talk to actual people, and understand the context within which your hobby group operates. You can't just scream "black trans lives matter" at a wall.

Gamergate was pretty gay though and was just grifter city.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I'm really hoping this Gamer Moms group dies in it's infancy.

Basically it's beauty Pageant Moms but with E-Sports and them trucking around their kids to different competitions and tech diversity bullshit seminars.

So much mis-installed equipment, so many bent motherboard pins....they haven't gotten on the radar of journalists yet and I hope it stays this way.

Ram is already significantly priceier if you want it with LED lights due to streamers, imagine how fucking retarded everything will be pricewise if TLC makes a show about them. I mean that Youtube Ryan kid drove up the price for a ton of bullshit his parents promoted.

 

[BrokenWokenBespoken]

I expect a lot of inner turmoil within their divisions if they start going for that.

But then again, I'd like to think you need a special kind of person to work in the games industry, the kind of person who thinks the company cares about them, and happily does unpaid crunch thinking they'll get the cummies from daddy Ubisoft.

Some of the stories I've seen from Ubisoft concerning sexual harassment and other business transgressions makes me think Ubisoft hires people with no spines. Imagine being in a meeting with the guy who thinks growling at women in meetings makes him hot and desirable. I don't think I'd have the self control or lack of self respect not to laugh myself out of the job.

Corporate culture has become a case of bending over and taking it in the ass.

I think it was simply the sides had changed.

Thompson and co. had the ear of the mainstream media appealing to an out of touch boomer audience, but we largely ridiculed by everybody else. There was also no politics in the game (at least in the UK). If it was political, it was the party most people hated at the time. Sometimes they attempted to give the illusion of a fare debate by putting Thompson* up against some idiot.

*In the UK, we rarely got Thompson himself. Usually it was third rate people running with his ideas. Imagine Thompson but somehow even less informed.

With Anita, there was a defined lefty political angle to it. All the press was in on defending her, not just the legacy media. It wasn't pushed by out of touch boomers, but 30-somethings who went through the violence moral panic a decade or two previously. There was no attempt to give the illusion of a fair debate, people who disagreed were banned from speaking outright. And Anita play the victim, so any legitimate points could be buried with "the bomb threats though".

And honestly, her opposition lacks the same anti moral guardian flair compared to the Satanic panic, all they do is rant about how women are taking over the industry and never chose the Marc Lepine special to be remembered as the incel who died for video games.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Corporate culture has become a case of bending over and taking it in the ass.



And honestly, her opposition lacks the same anti moral guardian flair compared to the Satanic panic, all they do is rant about how women are taking over the industry and never chose the Marc Lepine special to be remembered as the incel who died for video games.

Here's the thing about Sarkeesian, her initial grift was brilliant precisely because she didn't invoke religious morality and approached things from a left-wing intersectional feminist viewpoint instead of a Christian conservative approach that guys like Jack Thompson were infamous for.

You had two entire generations (Generation X and the Millennials) who honestly could not even fathom the concept of left-wing moral guardians existing, since before all the moral guardians in their lifetime were Christian conservatives or followed the same logic as them.

Even ostensibly liberal-leaning moralists like Tipper Gore and Joe Lieberman more or less repeated the same conservative talking points of guys like Thompson, Pat Pulling, and Jack Chick and also closely allied themselves with the Religious Right, as did the infamous radfem and lesbian supremacist Andrea Dworkin (and Dworkin was considered a lolcow even among radfems until the troons became more of a thing)

Anita's grift worked because it was at the right place and the right time.

Even her initial critics played into her hands since it gave her publicity and allowed her to invoke the "muh sexism" card more easily since a lot of the critics were similarly unprepared to deal with a leftist moral guardian or were literal grifters and beardos like Sargon and Ethan Ralph.

By the time Jack Thompson was in his prime, the Religious Right was hated by the majority of Americans outside of Appalachia and other parts of the Bible Belt. Everyone knew the fundie playbook and could easily refute it.

They were only relevant in the 2000's because Bush and the neocons propped them up intentionally as useful idiots and to win votes.

Anita and the Woke Left were new on the block and their shtick wasn't played out yet and wasn't even really known outside of a few fringe circles on college campuses, the weird part of Tumblr, and the punk subculture.

 

[Kurtis Trent]

Please wake up me when they stop giving every single female character that ugly ass tumblr haircut

 

[Marissa Moira]

Please wake up me when they stop giving every single female character that ugly ass tumblr haircut
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it's the crew cut or shaven head but for girls, it's so common at this point that it's a default template.

And what's worse is that they've started giving the same haircuts to dogs.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Here's the thing about Sarkeesian, her initial grift was brilliant precisely because she didn't invoke religious morality and approached things from a left-wing intersectional feminist viewpoint instead of a Christian conservative approach that guys like Jack Thompson were infamous for.

It was also incredibly vague, whereas Thompson's was specific.

"Playing Mortal Kombat and GTA turns people into killers!" is more dramatic, but there were lots of people who played the games and didn't become killers. The violent crime was dropping so even a more general argument didn't work.

"Playing Dead or Alive contributes to a culture that is kinda sorta sexist in a kinda sorta way. Look at these charts showing the gender wage gap and number of female CEOs." We know that as bullshit, but it's harder to explain general trends without getting technical (which turns away the normies). Add in idiots who would blunder face first into her traps and it makes it harder to argue against. It's kind of like the Gish Gallop, but for feminism.

Ultimately the lack of specifics did count against her because when she needed to produce specifics, she couldn't. The infamous meeting at the UN where the death threats and harassment amount to YouTube comments saying "You suck." stands out as one of her bigger blunders.

You had two entire generations (Generation X and the Millennials) who honestly could not even fathom the concept of left-wing moral guardians existing, since before all the moral guardians in their lifetime were Christian conservatives or followed the same logic as them.

I don't think the concept was unfathomable. I think it was more that it was their side of the political isle, so they turned a blind eye.