Culture Wars General - KiA Diet Coke Edition

[Marissa Moira]

Everybody seems to hate this event. Almost like social media is an echo chamber or something and not what you should be basing marketing decisions on.

I was told that white conquerors shouldn't tell them anything about what Mexican Conquistador Culture actually was. I mean I don't think they even know that France controlled parts of mexico and texas at some point. Or what Conquistador actually means.

But this is great, this is a lovely pozz cyst that's growing on valve, I want it to bloom into a beautiful misunderstood flower.

I mean they're the defacto monopoly for PC games, everything on the platform is digital so there's no physical copies, many companies like Amazon are now pushing the "you don't own your digital data it really belongs to the company" which many of these libtards agree with, and this event was run by moral busy bodies who are more of an expert than you could ever hope to be.

I mean what could go wrong? Are we going to have a Steam user Purge for wrong think? Game licenses taken away from users for assorted reasons like being problematic? Users doxed via Steam Data from the employees themselves? Certainly none of these fine upstanding people would be temped by any of these options, certainly not.

I would say strap in but that's assuming you already didn't realize that the ride has already started.

 

[Judge Dredd]

A bit off topic. Do you think VR is where the spirit of 2008 lives on?

I've been watching some VR game reviews recently. There's no shortage of indie game soy, with "VR Experience/Movie" being the equivalent to walking simulators. They don't include walking due to motion sickness. So you stand in place while things happen around you for 10 minutes. They're easy to spot and avoid. The only other bit of wokeness I can recall is The Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners having a side quest where you reunite a gay couple, but even that is in the realm of plausibility.

However, there's little in the way of politics. Games are generally player focused. VR gaming news and comments are largely neutral with no "orange man bad" clogging them up.

I'm guessing that, since the mainstream fad has passed and the barrier to entry is high (price, floor space, set-up, troubleshooting, learning curve, motion sickness), the far-left has no reason to infest VR. It lacks the mainstream appeal to hijack for a platform, and the effort required to find "problematic" content is too great to bother with.

Or I'm overthinking things.

 

[Marissa Moira]

A bit off topic. Do you think VR is where the spirit of 2008 lives on?

I've been watching some VR game reviews recently. There's no shortage of indie game soy, with "VR Experience/Movie" being the equivalent to walking simulators. They don't include walking due to motion sickness. So you stand in place while things happen around you for 10 minutes. They're easy to spot and avoid. The only other bit of wokeness I can recall is The Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners having a side quest where you reunite a gay couple, but even that is in the realm of plausibility.

However, there's little in the way of politics. Games are generally player focused. VR gaming news and comments are largely neutral with no "orange man bad" clogging them up.

I'm guessing that, since the mainstream fad has passed and the barrier to entry is high (price, floor space, set-up, troubleshooting, learning curve, motion sickness), the far-left has no reason to infest VR. It lacks the mainstream appeal to hijack for a platform, and the effort required to find "problematic" content is too great to bother with.

Or I'm overthinking things.

You're overthinking things.

The entry into VR is far higher true, but they're less fruitful in general in terms of the end result. Many genres do not benefit from VR and the ones that don't benefit have also not really been affected by libtards.

Most of the shit they do is first person games and if you only play first person games that might seem true. but ones like Obduction, Sojourn, Talos principle run perfectly fine on their console versions.

At this point anything severely political has been tainted and such things have gained a bad rap, Marvel's Avengers and Watchdogs Legion is probably the latest big mistake. Naughty Dog's bullshit with TLOU2 was also an outlier because every other similar game did way better. They're not creating a base where political puff pieces can rake in the big bucks or compare with similar games.

Similar things happened with comics decades prior, political bullshit was written in the 1960's like with the early X-men runs but those didn't sell or help establish the greater mythos. The stuff that kept the politics in the background or treated them as a note in worldbuilding did way better than the ones that had politics as the forefront.

 

[Dom Cruise]

(floor space)

This is what keeps me away from VR the most even more than price, I'm not going to rearrange my furniture just to play a video game lmao.

 

[ZMOT]

This is what keeps me away from VR the most even more than price, I'm not going to rearrange my furniture just to play a video game lmao.

if you have the space for wagglan on a wii you have the space for vr, almost all stuff is either sitting or standing while flailing around.

roomscale etc is nice in theory, in reality most people don't have an empty warehouse ready so you end up with a myriad of different size of free space + furniture you'd have to design around, not to mention I've yet to see a game where it's implemented in a way it actually warrants moving somewhere physically instead of pushing a stick forward for the same effect.

 

[Dom Cruise]

if you have the space for wagglan on a wii you have the space for vr, almost all stuff is either sitting or standing while flailing around.

roomscale etc is nice in theory, in reality most people don't have an empty warehouse ready so you end up with a myriad of different size of free space + furniture you'd have to design around, not to mention I've yet to see a game where it's implemented in a way it actually warrants moving somewhere physically instead of pushing a stick forward for the same effect.

Oh, I can sit and flail around, but I was talking about the games that actually want you to walk around.

 

[Gun Safety]

A bit off topic. Do you think VR is where the spirit of 2008 lives on?

I've been watching some VR game reviews recently. There's no shortage of indie game soy, with "VR Experience/Movie" being the equivalent to walking simulators. They don't include walking due to motion sickness. So you stand in place while things happen around you for 10 minutes. They're easy to spot and avoid. The only other bit of wokeness I can recall is The Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners having a side quest where you reunite a gay couple, but even that is in the realm of plausibility.

However, there's little in the way of politics. Games are generally player focused. VR gaming news and comments are largely neutral with no "orange man bad" clogging them up.

I'm guessing that, since the mainstream fad has passed and the barrier to entry is high (price, floor space, set-up, troubleshooting, learning curve, motion sickness), the far-left has no reason to infest VR. It lacks the mainstream appeal to hijack for a platform, and the effort required to find "problematic" content is too great to bother with.

Or I'm overthinking things.

Spirit of 2008 is dead. Eye of PC landed on gaming and that was the end of that. Probably a lack of wokeness in VR because everyone who bought VR did so for virtual reality porn and VR chat (virtual reality roleplay).

 

[CheezzyMach]

When it comes to wokeness in games Mortal Kombat will never stop being the weird one to me.

When MK11 was first announced the devs were outright gleeful in how they were pushing boundaries with the fatalities.

Having a guy's brain sliced open in close up slow-mo is fine but get the fainting couches out if Sonya Blade has a low cut top and cup size above B.

Like, this isn't even me sperging about "muh SJWs taking away muh tiddies" but do these guys not see how ridiculous this sounds to people who aren't culture war drones?

 

[Syaoran Li]

When it comes to wokeness in games Mortal Kombat will never stop being the weird one to me.

When MK11 was first announced the devs were outright gleeful in how they were pushing boundaries with the fatalities.

Having a guy's brain sliced open in close up slow-mo is fine but get the fainting couches out if Sonya Blade has a low cut top and cup size above B.

Like, this isn't even me sperging about "muh SJWs taking away muh tiddies" but do these guys not see how ridiculous this sounds to people who aren't culture war drones?

I think a lot of it was performative and Ed Boon virtue signaling to avoid being victim to cancel culture since Mortal Kombat was pretty much Patient Zero for the modern video game controversies of today.

Like, there's probably a lot of dangerhairs and beardos at Warner who had the MK guys over a barrel and they had to Anita-proof the game just to be safe.

Maybe it was one of those "You can have gory violence or you can have sexy outfits, but you can't have both at the same time" backroom deals?

 

[CheezzyMach]

I think a lot of it was performative and Ed Boon virtue signaling to avoid being victim to cancel culture since Mortal Kombat was pretty much Patient Zero for the modern video game controversies of today.

Like, there's probably a lot of dangerhairs and beardos at Warner who had the MK guys over a barrel and they had to Anita-proof the game just to be safe.

Maybe it was one of those "You can have gory violence or you can have sexy outfits, but you can't have both at the same time" backroom deals?

Well like I said I think to normal people it just looks and sounds stupid.

TBH I think both SJWs and Antis put way too much stock in the "culture war" and think the public is just as invested as they are. Most people I've talked to think wokeness is retarded and hypocritical but aren't foaming at the mouth at the evil liberals trying to steal their fun and brainwash them into self hating cucks like anti woke tards on youtube do.

 

[ZMOT]

Well like I said I think to normal people it just looks and sounds stupid.

TBH I think both SJWs and Antis put way too much stock in the "culture war" and think the public is just as invested as they are. Most people I've talked to think wokeness is retarded and hypocritical but aren't foaming at the mouth at the evil liberals trying to steal their fun and brainwash them into self hating cucks like anti woke tards on youtube do.

fwiw it's worth the public is pretty retarded, propaganda works the way it does for a reason.
doesn't mean you should sperg out every time you see a slightly darker skintone, but being completely ignorant is arguably worse.

 

[BananaSplit]

fwiw it's worth the public is pretty retarded, propaganda works the way it does for a reason.
doesn't mean you should sperg out every time you see a slightly darker skintone, but being completely ignorant is arguably worse.

That is ultimately what happened to OneAngryGamer when it was nothing more than just getting angry (heh) at everything, even at the smallest and normal stuff like half-nude yakuzas showing off their tattoos because Billy believed it was some Netflix's subvert plan to make you gay.

 

[ZMOT]

That is ultimately what happened to OneAngryGamer when it was nothing more than just getting angry (heh) at everything, even at the smallest and normal stuff like half-nude yakuzas showing off their tattoos because Billy believed it was some Netflix's subvert plan to make you gay.

yeah, once you go down the rabbit hole it's easy to go full retard. the biggest hurdle for future generations will be to learn self-reflection and nuance again...

Oh, I can sit and flail around, but I was talking about the games that actually want you to walk around.

hm, which ones? couldn't even think of any from the top of my head besides valve's the lab, and that works with teleporting just as well (not that teleporting is that great, but it does the trick getting from A to B).

Spirit of 2008 is dead. Eye of PC landed on gaming and that was the end of that. Probably a lack of wokeness in VR because everyone who bought VR did so for virtual reality porn and VR chat (virtual reality roleplay).

VR is too niche and still to much of an enthusiast market for woketards to latch onto. for now it still takes some effort and love for the hobby to get into that sphere, that's something they don't even know the definition of. much easier to virtue-signal for a high-profile writing gig they can boast about on twatter instead of slaving away for a VR game that most likely won't break even anyway.

 

[AnOminous]

TBH I think both SJWs and Antis put way too much stock in the "culture war" and think the public is just as invested as they are. Most people I've talked to think wokeness is retarded and hypocritical but aren't foaming at the mouth at the evil liberals trying to steal their fun and brainwash them into self hating cucks like anti woke tards on youtube do.

I think about half of anti-SJWs are actual culture warriors who just jump onto any skirmish no matter what it is, but the other half are angry and foaming at the mouth about SJWs trying to steal their fun because they literally have fucked with or even wrecked their hobby entirely.

 

[Grandpa Simpson]

 

[Next Task]

Maybe it was one of those "You can have gory violence or you can have sexy outfits, but you can't have both at the same time" backroom deals?

I doubt it, because violence is rarely the problem sex is. MK's whole purpose is that violence, which is explicitly gratuitous - fatalities do nothing in the gameplay except add that flourish of gore.

The fundies used to complain about the violence, but the new fundies only complain about it if it happens to a protected class. Gutting a man like a fish has never been a problem - but if you do the same to a woman, or if the woman doing it is even vaguely sexualised, then here comes the moral outrage.

So I'd bet there is never any trade-off between violence and sex, in general not just with MK. The games journos were inching towards reclaiming the idea of the evils of violence in video games, based on somehow only white men being susceptible to it, but then Trump said something similar so they all rushed to make fun of the old man thinking there was any correlation and had to drop it. Violence in games gets treated as isolated to those specific games, while anything even vaguely sexy becomes proof of the ills of society, and the horror of Gamers specifically.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Time to throw the principled Libertarians under the bus again.

Gamestop, Game, CEX, are all claiming they're only getting 1-2 next gen systems per store, this isn't true. They're only selling 1-2 systems as new while deeming other Playstation 5's and Xbox Series X's as "used" and are selling them for around a thousand+ bucks each. So these retards are claiming this isn't price gouging and if it's used the company can do as they wish, despite people investigating this and finding out that the systems are not even assigned to a playstation or xbox previously since the firmware update hasn't even been applied.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

At this point anything severely political has been tainted and such things have gained a bad rap, Marvel's Avengers and Watchdogs Legion is probably the latest big mistake.

I like in this thread people are shitting all over OAG for screaming "Woke, reeeeeeee!" and flipping shit about minor nonsense like ti was a deathblow to the industry while also blaming the Avenger's game failure on "woke" for having a single darkie in it, leaving out the fact that it's almost entirely unplayable on the largest platform out there and generally unfun on the rest of them. Which in and of itself is an incredibly AOG attitude.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I like in this thread people are shitting all over OAG for screaming "Woke, reeeeeeee!" and flipping shit about minor nonsense like ti was a deathblow to the industry while also blaming the Avenger's game failure on "woke" for having a single darkie in it, leaving out the fact that it's almost entirely unplayable on the largest platform out there and generally unfun on the rest of them. Which in and of itself is an incredibly AOG attitude.

Actually you can blame diversity on it being god awful.

Square put out a breakdown and the fucking licensing fees were astronomical. This is also on top of the actor's pay and like 75% of the budget was gone before the game could even be made.

It had you fight a small handful of enemies for the whole campaign and they put such an emphasis on having a large variety of separate heroes that there was no time left to have something suitable for them to go up against.

Now if they made a game based around a singular hero that would mean less actors to pay, less fees, and they probably could have shouldered a decent game. if just getting the avengers requries such an assinine amount of money they have to really think about reducing the scope and cutting heroes that are redundant.

Basically if you want a large scale AAA super hero game, your best bet would be to model it after Batman or Spiderman. That reduces the overall scope but in turn you're allowed to do more with it, in turn you pay less actors and the post production costs go down as well.

Also don't call it The Avengers and have a B or C lister head the whole game, the TV series made the same mistake.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Actually you can blame diversity on it being god awful.

Square put out a breakdown and the fucking licensing fees were astronomical. This is also on top of the actor's pay and like 75% of the budget was gone before the game could even be made.

I've never seen someone actually arguing broken, boring gameplay shouldn't be blamed for a games failure. Imagine unironically believing everyone is as bothered by sandniggers as you.