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The hope, as the Autism Holy War wore down, was that they'd back the fuck off from the loss like any normal person and re-evaluate what led them to that point. Things were quieting down, so naturally that meant that things would chill out - and for a brief time, that seemed to be the case, but it didn't last.
The problem was assuming they had any capacity for self-reflection whatsoever - because they fucking don't.
Whether it's Trump, Brexit, or even tangential resistance to their bullshit, they do not have any capacity for accepting that their favored positions are unpopular, that their position is a joke, and that they're widely hated by the general public. They do not care about the facts or reality. Point out obvious logical holes in their arguments, bring up evidence that openly contradicts them, and you can watch in real time as they proudly declare they do not care what the evidence actually shows.
Right now, wokeness is a dying beast, propped up solely by its cult-like domination of the mainstream press and social media. It's entered its final phase, where it thrashes wildly about trying to take with it anything it can, but resistance is mounting, and as Disney basically consigns the Sequel Trilogy of Star Wars to the dustbin of non-canon, and as Ghostbusters Afterlife erases Ghostbusters 2016, even Hollywood is starting to wake up. There's only so many times you can fail before the powers that be demand a return on their investment, and Social Justice cannot deliver on that. The only question is how bad things get before it peters out entirely.
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Funny thing, I just read how the AMC Rebel was retired for the Matador in 1971 due to civil unrest in the US and the car's name being tangentially related to the Confederacy and it reminded me of the current bullshit going on.
Why are the 2020s gearing up to be a retread of the 70s but shittier?
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overwatch was a shit game propped up by marketing and waifus, and their forced e-sport shit didn't even have the latter. also run by probably one of the most incompetent AAA companies in the industry. plenty of games had (or still have) a long run. ASSFAGGOTS are still going, even CS still gets played somewhat competitively (even if it's just MUH RANK faggotry) and that shit is almost 20 years old by now.
there will always be a market for e-sports because there will always be people eager to compete. however it has to come organically from the game itself, trying to make something an e-sport has never worked and probably never will, at least not on the scale companies want it to as their big money earner.
even if they get all the power they want, it won't last since it's not about reaching a certain goal but being able to REEEEEEEEEEEE about something. so they inevitably gonna eat themselves and anyone else that moved on from the wokeshit they produced that crashed and burned will be laughing while enjoying other games. it's simply not sustainable however you look at it, and that whole idpol hysteria only works for so long.
personally I think all this sperging everywhere is their last hurra, after november they either have to STFU because the bad orange man isn't president anymore (in their harry potter world-view voldemort is beaten, so what's there to complain about?) or he still is and with all the antics this year people are getting increasingly fed up with their their shit that there will be a blowback.
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The candle burns its brightest before it burns out, then? I hope so. A lot of the companies out there are full of people now who push the wokeness. That wasn't any more evident than when all those companies came out on Twitter to suck the BBC of BLM. In the future I would hope they reflect back and realize that all their money, virtue signaling, and boosting 'voices' didn't accomplish anything -just like the things done in the past on behalf of blacks didn't do shit for them. The problems of blacks now are largely their own but they keep blaming whitey.
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It's funny how wokeness is always on the verge of dying whenever something happens. Gamergate, comicsgate, it's always the last stand for wokeness. Glad to see wokeness on the way out finally, I"m sure this time is the last--all those counter-cultural forces against wokeness out in the public really are going to turn people's minds around.
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Considering what's going on IRL? Yeah, I'd say we're going full burn.
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did hillary win in your timeline.. ?
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Yeah, I seem to recall Donald Trump getting elected proving wokeness was dead. Actually, the person who literally told me that just came back apologizing saying that I've been right about everything all along.
No, wokeness is not dead, I've been hearing that for the last 7 years or so, and it's only going to get worse.
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Call me an optimist, but I think this might be the "darkest hour right before the dawn" instead of the "1000 Year Woke Left Reich" although it could be a 50/50 shot either way
In a weird way, I think Trump getting elected in 2016 could very well be the point where woke culture dies in the "beginning of the end" sort of way. Trump winning meant they couldn't frog boil that shit any longer and had to ramp everything up a lot more quickly and a lot more blatantly.
If he wins a second term and the GOP keeps control of the Senate, there's a likely chance a lot of this shit could boomerang very badly on the Woke Left and in the worst possible ways.
Even if the Millennials have all bought into the SJW garbage, they're also a largely failed non-starter generation anyway (especially the Late Millennials and the Early Zoomers) and if this Woke Left coup fails while the Boomers and Generation X are still alive and running things, then they'll be at a massive disadvantage in trying to rebuild their momentum
Honestly, depending on how the summer and autumn of 2020 ultimately play out, this could be the last stand year for the SJW's.
I've said this many times before but they've making their big power play move and have been since the end of May but they've also only got one shot at this point if they want to succeed, and if they miss that shot then it's game over for them.
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except it's been dying a slow death ever since leftards when down this road, because there is no winning condition for them so they'll inevitable drive themselves off a cliff. if wokeness is "winning" no one would've voted for trump after 8 years of black jesus, yet here we are.
just because people are not sperging out about shit on twitter making themselves open to being canceled or going full 14/88 in real life doesn't mean they're completely onboard the idpol-train, fuck off you with your blackpill shit. only tards care at this point anyway, comics are dead, movies and TV are as good as dead with all their pandering turning their output to shit, AAA videogames have been shit for over a decade - it simply can't get any worse because there isn't much left they can fuck up.
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And I'm sure when Julian the Apostate got into power that Christianity stuff was finally on its way out.
I believe that this is what this is, the beginning of a new "Christianity," maybe not as big, but it is not going away. No win condition? What's the win condition for us, because we're just losing ground every year. We can talk about things getting better when the number of places you can post a controversial opinion online increases instead of decreases.
Yeah, they turned the heat up higher. The frog still didn't jump out.
Yeah but we have over 20 years of Millennials to deal with, it's not the fate of the world I'm concerned with, it's my life and youth.
Not at all. It doesn't even hinge on the election as much as Congress. I don't put much stock in these symbolic victories, especially when the Trump vs. Hillary thing was less un-PC vs woke and more about the personalities of the respective people. The Democrats would've won if the Democrat leadership didn't have Hillary cashing in all her favors to get the nominee position.
No, I'm more interested in mass media, corporate posturing, social media policies, etc than I am the results of an election. You only need to look at how the Republicans have shifted to where many even have started woke posturing against Trump.
I believe that this is what this is, the beginning of a new "Christianity," maybe not as big, but it is not going away. No win condition? What's the win condition for us, because we're just losing ground every year. We can talk about things getting better when the number of places you can post a controversial opinion online increases instead of decreases.
Yeah, they turned the heat up higher. The frog still didn't jump out.
Yeah but we have over 20 years of Millennials to deal with, it's not the fate of the world I'm concerned with, it's my life and youth.
Not at all. It doesn't even hinge on the election as much as Congress. I don't put much stock in these symbolic victories, especially when the Trump vs. Hillary thing was less un-PC vs woke and more about the personalities of the respective people. The Democrats would've won if the Democrat leadership didn't have Hillary cashing in all her favors to get the nominee position.
No, I'm more interested in mass media, corporate posturing, social media policies, etc than I am the results of an election. You only need to look at how the Republicans have shifted to where many even have started woke posturing against Trump.
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Maybe this will make you feel better.And I'm sure when Julian the Apostate got into power that Christianity stuff was finally on its way out.
I believe that this is what this is, the beginning of a new "Christianity," maybe not as big, but it is not going away. No win condition? What's the win condition for us, because we're just losing ground every year. We can talk about things getting better when the number of places you can post a controversial opinion online increases instead of decreases.
Yeah, they turned the heat up higher. The frog still didn't jump out.
Yeah but we have over 20 years of Millennials to deal with, it's not the fate of the world I'm concerned with, it's my life and youth.
Not at all. It doesn't even hinge on the election as much as Congress. I don't put much stock in these symbolic victories, especially when the Trump vs. Hillary thing was less un-PC vs woke and more about the personalities of the respective people. The Democrats would've won if the Democrat leadership didn't have Hillary cashing in all her favors to get the nominee position.
No, I'm more interested in mass media, corporate posturing, social media policies, etc than I am the results of an election. You only need to look at how the Republicans have shifted to where many even have started woke posturing against Trump.
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More importantly, it ignores the time-honored strategy of other hobbies that's at this point generations old. If you're not familiar, I'm not entirely surprised, because it hasn't really been tested with other media, but it's certainly been true in tabletop gaming for quite a while, and it, like everything else, has evolved over the years so let's get into it.
When shit gets bad - and it does, occasionally - there comes a point where the main hobby itself is worthwhile, but everything around it is starting to suck for a wide variety of reasons, and has no intention of course-correcting. At this point what happens is a lockdown phase. The hobby goes dormant, and it waits for shit to pass. At the micro level, you can see this happen with stuff like MTG sets rotating out, and at the macro level, entire editions of PNP RPG rotating out. In time, things will suck less and the community will emerge from its slumber to re-indulge once more.
Historically, this tended to work in phases; players who loathed one aspect of the community would go dormant at different periods for different reasons, resulting in a level of overlap. If the community was sufficiently large, their absence wouldn't even be noted until multiple groups backed out for different reasons, so you'd usually see the playerbase taper off first as a trickle, then a flood, depending on the severity of what caused the shitstorm and what the response was. The lack of alternatives was a major limiter, and while insofar as card games go it may as well still be, things are completely different in modern PNP RPGs now, as well as vidya, because so many viable alternatives exist and new ones emerge all the time. There's no need for a crash or a lockdown period, you can just go and do literally anything else.
Even if things get completely overrun - which they won't, the industries are too big now and these assclowns breed failure and resentment in equal measure - they can't just gatekeep to keep competition out like they did with comics. They can certainly ruin existing franchises, but there's nothing stopping people from creating new shit and playing that, hosting it on their personal webzones and making them available via forums. As AM2R once showed, once a game's on the internet, it's there basically forever, and good luck stopping it after that.
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I'd feel better if I hadn't already seen all these types of people themselves turn into wokesters over the past 8 years. Something Awful, all sorts of youtube commentators used to be edgy, etc. We've already seen the body snatchers do their work.
The entire world won't turn woke. Christianity and missionaries were never able to stamp out pagan influences in Europe and South America. But the power structure will. The fact that these companies got bold enough to do things the users would obviously hate is cause for alarm.
The paranoid part of me is that they are deliberately trying to get a reaction out of people to find out who the dissenters are and disenfranchise them. The more realistic thing I think they are doing is try to get people used to this kind of message and messaging. Eventually they'll acquiesce. They did with gay marriage (ignore the fact I agree with that cause).
I think some of you guys have a fundamentally optimistic view of human kind and of human rationality and culture.
We'll see who is right.
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I can't disagree with Harbinger, the wokeness is an extremely resilient tick. I suspect because, like many religions, it provides a dopamine kick for being "good", so the more goodness they demonstrate in front of an audience, the better they feel about themselves. I think that's what's given the biggest rise to slactivism, even if clicking the like button on some BLM post made by a gaming company doesn't actually improve any conditions for anyone, the person still "accomplished something" and gets their little kick out of it. That's the core problem with wokeness, you aren't dealing with people acting from genuinely thought out beliefs, you're dealing with dopamine addicts. Good luck trying to convince them not to get their hit.
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the problem starts when they infest payment processors and platforms like patreon. sure, you can do your own stuff for free, but most people and companies even more want money. we've already seen the shift from "just make your own websites" over "just start your own hosting company" to "just start your own bank bro" because even if you do the former you get fucked by the latter. and that's on top any PR blowback if you start catering to "bigoted nazi incels".
it will blow over because at some point there isn't anything left to ruin, and people will take their money elsewhere, even if they try their hardest to be the only option available. at that point companies either reverse course or go under and get bought by companies that managed to not implode (yet). a market contraction is inevitable because demand starts dropping off, and as much as HR harpys and twittertards think everything's political, a company's first priority is to make money - else there stops being a company, as simple as that.
so even if it takes a while the pendulum will inevitably swing back, it always does. if you can't afford the bread because you got no job/your government fucked up so hard your printed paper is worth shit and the the circus sucks (western entertainment in a nutshell) is when people start to get antsy. romans figured that shit out 2000 years ago, so it's hardly anything new.
as for tabletop, that's a niche I'm least worried about. pnp rpgs are very insular and self-regulated with decades of material next to your own stuff. even if onyx path goes full retard you can just laugh it off and have your table don SS uniforms while playing. boardgames are still mainly played and bought based on quality, of course you always got the normisphere and other stuff, but that's hardly what drives the industry. wotc going full woke is only an issue if you care about the "professional" aspect of it, there's plenty of other cardgames to scratch that itch (depending who you ask better than mtg).
wokeness isn't the only drug in town, that high comes from anything. most of those useful idiots are opportunistic scum before anything else, that label exists for a reason. 80 years ago they were happily snitching on their neighbors to get the whole family shipped off to a concentration camp. 60 years ago they got riled up by anything that remotely resembled the color red. right now it's just wokeshit. the karens in the burbs and retarded zoomers will happily tweet #whitepride and beat up any stigmatized part of the population if it's the hip thing to say and what their social circle expects. for most people it's never about the outcome or "the cause", just the action itself and fitting in.
wokeness itself (or any other overly extremely retarded political push) always is on borrowed time anyway. there's only so long you allow your child to throw tantrums before you reach for your belt, and if you don't someone else will, because most people just want to live their life in peace.
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I think this is accurate, and I'm not trying to start a cringe forum debate, but in my opinion the same can be said for people who obsess about SJWs and consume hours and hours of youtube a day about how Hollywood is ruining children's movies by making the main character lesbian or whatever. They also want to be told they're right, good, and superior and have feel-good chemicals released in their brain. Generally the form the modern internet has taken doesn't encourage "genuinely thought out beliefs."
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Well yeah, that's why you get echo chamber hugboxes everywhere of all leanings, and that's why you see various people/groups winding up with lolcow threads about them even if they're as far from left as possible. You can get unthinking peons attaching to basically any creed or interest in the world. The kernel inside a lot of the whole SJW thing is a perfectly rational "we should be considerate of other people who are different", but got warped into, "we must celebrate people who can be argued to be oppressed in any form", and when others started pointing out the issues with that, tribalism kicked in and the whole thing snowballed into what we've got now.
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I think it was the other way around. Gaming has, at many times over the mediums history, tried to imitate some other, more mainstream medium with mixed results. "Cinematic" games are a great example of this, pushed to the extreme with walking simulators. Esports could be their own thing, but instead of more "moment number 37", we get ridiculous pomp and glamour to appeal to normies who like pay-per-view boxing, and it just doesn't work.
I've got good news and bad news for you. Wokeness is dying. Wokeness will never die.
Fair-weather hipsters and con artists will leave. It's hard to imagine true SJWs in the old folks home ranting about Trump and sexism, but that's what I think will happen. There will always be that demographic, no matter how small, tweeting about whatever ism is on their mind. The question is how loud it will be.
Let's look at Feminist Frequency as one example. Gone from millions of viewers and being able to get meeting at the UN, to barely 3000 viewers and largely ignored by everyone. You see her name dropped every now and then, but no one gives a shit.