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Also I have a hypothesis that woke creators are more driven by petty spite instead of love or interest in the work they are making. Read a bunch of tweets from woke Marvel comic book writers and fans (if they even exist), you'll see that they're more interested in "dunking on chuds" than you know enjoying reading comics.
It goes back to the classic trope of seeing actual nerds get shafted away from their favorite hobbies by the actual bullies who were never fans of the original content in question. What you now have are people who are mental enough to use social media to deplatform and dehumanize others in the sake of protecting “nerd/geek culture”.

It’s been hijacked by people that value what corporations and rich billionaires have to say, despite the fact that they used to rail against them for being too rich and powerful.
 
Also Star Wars isn't dead, Mandalorean and now Boba Fett both revived it. You've been missing the past few years where everything is now fucking baby yoda.

Are you FUCKING delusional? Boba Fett isn't helping shit. Have you seen the negative reactions and the meh hype it's gotten?

And Microsoft literally coasts along on Windows and fucking Game Pass for the most part that's probably a part to play in that.
 
Are you FUCKING delusional? Boba Fett isn't helping shit. Have you seen the negative reactions and the meh hype it's gotten?

And Microsoft literally coasts along on Windows and fucking Game Pass for the most part that's probably a part to play in that.
The boba fett toys are selling though, this isn't like Han Solo where shit just sat there.
 
And Microsoft literally coasts along on Windows and fucking Game Pass for the most part that's probably a part to play in that.
azure (ironically even sony is a client) and corporate support mostly, they pay retarded money for that. it's like EA being propped up by sportsball and sims while all their other shit sucks.
 
azure (ironically even sony is a client) and corporate support mostly, they pay retarded money for that. it's like EA being propped up by sportsball and sims while all their other shit sucks.
Amazon plays host to it's biggest competition in streaming which is netflix. Without Amazon netflix would cease to exist.
 
You know, the weird thing about the supposed woke marxist culture takeover, color revolution, or whatever we want to call it is that no one actually likes woke culture, not even the progtards themselves.

There is a reason people now say “get woke, go broke.” It’s because it is business suicide in America to “go woke” with your products. The Ghostbusters feminazi remake bombed. Gillette paid a massive price by attacking all men as walking sexual assault machines with their commercials. Star Wars is effectively dead.

Companies continue to create woke content but the public does not want to consume them. It's all virtue signal.

Also I have a hypothesis that woke creators are more driven by petty spite instead of love or interest in the work they are making. Read a bunch of tweets from woke Marvel comic book writers and fans (if they even exist), you'll see that they're more interested in "dunking on chuds" than you know enjoying reading comics.
Man I don't know what you're on, pandering to white people who think they're supporting minorities by consuming absolutely makes people a ton of money. Star Wars makes a ton of money, feminist playacting makes a ton of money, netflix shoving gay characters into otherwise totally asexual plotlines makes a ton of money, etc etc. If it didn't nobody would invest in these things.

The reality is this: most people don't give a shit, the people who do give a shit will spend a lot of money to pretend they're part of something, and the people who hate it will bitch on the internet, which just makes more publicity. Oh and believe you me, conservative tears are indeed an advertisement. Nothing a liberal loves more than watching TV and pretending it's a strike against fascism. Unwilling to do anything but loving the opportunity to feel like they are.

You being annoyed is factored in by the PR department and used to move units.

You are predictable.

You are a billboard.
 
Man I don't know what you're on, pandering to white people who think they're supporting minorities by consuming absolutely makes people a ton of money. Star Wars makes a ton of money, feminist playacting makes a ton of money, netflix shoving gay characters into otherwise totally asexual plotlines makes a ton of money, etc etc. If it didn't nobody would invest in these things.

The reality is this: most people don't give a shit, the people who do give a shit will spend a lot of money to pretend they're part of something, and the people who hate it will bitch on the internet, which just makes more publicity. Oh and believe you me, conservative tears are indeed an advertisement. Nothing a liberal loves more than watching TV and pretending it's a strike against fascism. Unwilling to do anything but loving the opportunity to feel like they are.

You being annoyed is factored in by the PR department and used to move units.

You are predictable.

You are a billboard.

That's kind of the point I was trying to make, how many people actually consume woke content out of genuine enjoyment and not for virtue signalling purpose or to own the other side of the spectrum?

Also don't forget that these large companies can eat up a lot of loss whenever they put up a bad product. I want to know how much money woke content actually makes and whether they're making a loss or a profit. I am willing to bet that most companies would stay away from leftist propaganda if they didn't feel obligated to by the dominant culture, like they did in the past.
 
That's kind of the point I was trying to make, how many people actually consume woke content out of genuine enjoyment and not for virtue signalling purpose or to own the other side of the spectrum?

Also don't forget that these large companies can eat up a lot of loss whenever they put up a bad product. I want to know how much money woke content actually makes and whether they're making a loss or a profit. I am willing to bet that most companies would stay away from leftist propaganda if they didn't feel obligated to by the dominant culture, like they did in the past.
You ever watch anything satirical like South Park and then go "Haha! Yeah! It do be like that"? Figure most people have. If you're going to tell me you don't like having your beliefs confirmed to you I'm going to call you a liar. The controversy created by the sort of tokenism you're talking about just adds an extra layer of self importance to it. How could it be virtue signaling if nobody is sitting there watching TV with you?

Most people believe exactly what they say they believe. Oh sure, there's depths to everybody and we all are a stupid bundle of contradictions because being human means being constantly at war with yourself. But yeah, they believe what they say they do.

I wouldn't call a show like Glow "leftist" anyway. Notice almost all of this stops short of actually critiquing the broader power structure. It's all nonthreatening by design to everybody but people in the bible belt.

But yeah, they're making bank.
 
But yeah, they're making bank.
Ghostbusters 2016 was a loss. 355 bombed. Mulan live action tanked. Last Duel also bombed -- for some reason interviews referred to it as a feminist movie? Birds of Prey was destroyed by Alita. West Side Story failed. Book of Boba is divisive and Disney+ caused Disney's stock to downgrade. Disney's Star Wars theme hotel and park are operating at a loss.

Disney had a memo going around that fans come first now. It's gotten that bad. Not exactly gonna hold my breath, but eh. Probably want what Sony has been getting with Venom and No Way Home.

The thing is you're right that they believe what they say they do. That's why losses don't matter to them. It's about their cause. Like those Left Behind films or whatever that guy has been up to since.

EDIT: Forgot Santa Inc., Y the Last Man adaptation and pretty much the entirety of the CW.
 
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Ghostbusters 2016 was a loss. 355 bombed. Mulan live action tanked. Last Duel also bombed -- for some reason interviews referred to it as a feminist movie? Birds of Prey was destroyed by Alita. West Side Story failed. Book of Boba is divisive and Disney+ caused Disney's stock to downgrade. Disney's Star Wars theme hotel and park are operating at a loss.

Disney had a memo going around that fans come first now. It's gotten that bad. Not exactly gonna hold my breath, but eh. Probably want what Sony has been getting with Venom and No Way Home.

The thing is you're right that they believe what they say they do. That's why losses don't matter to them. It's about their cause. Like those Left Behind films or whatever that guy has been up to since.

EDIT: Forgot Santa Inc., Y the Last Man adaptation and pretty much the entirety of the CW.
On the flip side Dune did great even though they replaced Liet Kynes with a badass black women explicitly because the director thought the book had a misogyny problem and he wanted more female voices in the movie. Among other things. That ghostbusters movie flopped for plenty of reasons that have nothing to do with some gender controversy that pretty much only neckbeards cared about at the time. Personally? Before I knew that there was even people who like, got emotional and shit about that, I just thought it looked like a lame remake nobody asked for. Originals great, so why would I pay to see a worse version of it? Thought the same way about friday the 13th or texas chainsaw massacre.

You're also giving Hollywood way too much credit in assuming they don't just do whatever the fuck they think will make them money. It's only about money. There is nothing on their minds but money. It takes a LOT of money to make a movie. If producers and studios are willing to shell out that money it's because they are operating under the assumption it will make them money. There are very, very, few "risky moves" in that business, just dumb and out of touch moves. But see, if "wokeness", whatever the hell that even is, didn't make them money they wouldn't keep investing more money than you could make in a lifetime on it again, and again, and again.

Don't get me started on literature. You go on literary agent twitter (yeah, that's a thing) and read what they're all looking for in submissions. All of it, with rare exceptions, is something like "YA fantasy/sci fi with non-binary POC protagonist".
 
On the flip side Dune did great even though they replaced Liet Kynes with a badass black women explicitly because the director thought the book had a misogyny problem and he wanted more female voices in the movie. Among other things. That ghostbusters movie flopped for plenty of reasons that have nothing to do with some gender controversy that pretty much only neckbeards cared about at the time. Personally? Before I knew that there was even people who like, got emotional and shit about that, I just thought it looked like a lame remake nobody asked for. Originals great, so why would I pay to see a worse version of it? Thought the same way about friday the 13th or texas chainsaw massacre.

You're also giving Hollywood way too much credit in assuming they don't just do whatever the fuck they think will make them money. It's only about money. There is nothing on their minds but money. It takes a LOT of money to make a movie. If producers and studios are willing to shell out that money it's because they are operating under the assumption it will make them money. There are very, very, few "risky moves" in that business, just dumb and out of touch moves. But see, if "wokeness", whatever the hell that even is, didn't make them money they wouldn't keep investing more money than you could make in a lifetime on it again, and again, and again.

Don't get me started on literature. You go on literary agent twitter (yeah, that's a thing) and read what they're all looking for in submissions. All of it, with rare exceptions, is something like "YA fantasy/sci fi with non-binary POC protagonist".
Literature has always been a degenerate cesspool. Always. Since man could first find rock what leaves a trail.

And I'd agree the suits want money. The problem is marketing doesn't. Marketing has been coopted by ideologues that believe in the cause more than selling candy if that Twix commercial is anything to go by. The other problem is suits are so out of touch they rely on marketing to tell them what's good. The total 3% of the US population on Twitter make up 80% of the content, but marketing would tell you that's majority opinion. It's not. A book Hidden Tribes covered this and found 84% of America doesn't care. 4% would be far left and 12% were far right. So if he is accurate with 4% and 3% of the US population makes up Twitter's content, given Twitter's heavy leanings... then marketing is either being disingenuous or getting played.

Every time they try to pitch something as inclusive or groundbreaking because of race/sex/third and it goes up against something that doesn't... it loses. 355 got destroyed by No Way Home and Sing 2. An Illumination movie destroyed it. Same thing happened to Birds of Prey with Alita. Ghostbusters 2016 called the fandom toxic manchildren - some probably were - but it also alerted more to the kind of film they were making. They had no interest in watching it. They did, however, support Ghostbusters Afterlife because the guy behind it gushed about how it's what the fans wanted.

So while you have Dune, you have several more that failed. Plus I don't know if Dune has a large enough audience for people to care some dipshit thought something should be changed for his own sensibilities. Sorry, I dislike anyone fucking with other people's work even if I dislike the creator. Unless they themselves advocated then I laugh. Anyways, they had a much greater potential for new audience than retain the old. Ghostbusters has always had a huge following, so 2016 was like someone vomited on their shoes and told them they should be grateful. Dune... I'm honestly not sure it has that. It's also why Birds of Prey failing to Alita is such a big deal, Birds of Prey is a DC property and it failed to Alita which is much more niche.
 
Literature has always been a degenerate cesspool. Always. Since man could first find rock what leaves a trail.

And I'd agree the suits want money. The problem is marketing doesn't. Marketing has been coopted by ideologues that believe in the cause more than selling candy if that Twix commercial is anything to go by. The other problem is suits are so out of touch they rely on marketing to tell them what's good. The total 3% of the US population on Twitter make up 80% of the content, but marketing would tell you that's majority opinion. It's not. A book Hidden Tribes covered this and found 84% of America doesn't care. 4% would be far left and 12% were far right. So if he is accurate with 4% and 3% of the US population makes up Twitter's content, given Twitter's heavy leanings... then marketing is either being disingenuous or getting played.

Every time they try to pitch something as inclusive or groundbreaking because of race/sex/third and it goes up against something that doesn't... it loses. 355 got destroyed by No Way Home and Sing 2. An Illumination movie destroyed it. Same thing happened to Birds of Prey with Alita. Ghostbusters 2016 called the fandom toxic manchildren - some probably were - but it also alerted more to the kind of film they were making. They had no interest in watching it. They did, however, support Ghostbusters Afterlife because the guy behind it gushed about how it's what the fans wanted.

So while you have Dune, you have several more that failed. Plus I don't know if Dune has a large enough audience for people to care some dipshit thought something should be changed for his own sensibilities. Sorry, I dislike anyone fucking with other people's work even if I dislike the creator. Unless they themselves advocated then I laugh. Anyways, they had a much greater potential for new audience than retain the old. Ghostbusters has always had a huge following, so 2016 was like someone vomited on their shoes and told them they should be grateful. Dune... I'm honestly not sure it has that. It's also why Birds of Prey failing to Alita is such a big deal, Birds of Prey is a DC property and it failed to Alita which is much more niche.
Nobody believes anything at work, biz is biz is biz. If somebody in marketing claims they care they are selling you something.

You think most people see black ladies in ghostbusters and are so repulsed by this transgression that they refuse to watch it. This image relies on the idea that the American public as a whole cares about ghostbusters and sassy black women being in ghostbusters. It does not. Also it's not the 80's, kids today don't give a shit about ghostbusters. Why would they go see it? Most adults in general don't give a fuck about ghostbusters other then "I like that movie" either.

Man, not everything has some sort of massive cultural significance. There's a lot of people in America who just love watching this shit. Enough that it consistently makes enough money that they keep doing it. You know Black Panther was one of the highest grossing films of all time. And it wasn't because Black Panther was such a well known and beloved character, previously nobody outside of diehard comic book geeks as far as I can tell knew that character was a thing. No, people flocked to that shit because it was "important".

Oh and Dune is one of the best selling science fiction novels of all time. Believe me, people are obsessed with that book. That's one reason it did so well.
 
Woke stuff typically fails on it's own, the only time that the socjus "make bank" is when they successfully parasitize an existing franchise. Said franchises typically don't survive this process long-term, which is why you see Disney at least paying lip service to the idea of dialing this shit back a bit, even if they won't for various reasons.
 
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If we're bringing up books, there are a shitload of worthwhile books decades old that feature non-Caucasian characters
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The Riftwar Cycle series is huge and has a ton of worthwhile installments to go through. They had the same problem in the 80's and 90's with socially conscious progressive stories. it was the fact that the stories would use politics to try and make a shallow and poorly written story seem deeper. The appearance of politics was basically a smokescreen to hide the shortcomings, not that the author actually believed most of it.

What people are experiencing isn't anything new or damning with media. Most of the progressive stuff was dug up by marketers because they figured it would sell. The whole representation thing is based on how marketers think not how the audience or connoisseurs actually think when experiencing the media.
 
Nobody believes anything at work, biz is biz is biz. If somebody in marketing claims they care they are selling you something.

You think most people see black ladies in ghostbusters and are so repulsed by this transgression that they refuse to watch it. This image relies on the idea that the American public as a whole cares about ghostbusters and sassy black women being in ghostbusters. It does not. Also it's not the 80's, kids today don't give a shit about ghostbusters. Why would they go see it? Most adults in general don't give a fuck about ghostbusters other then "I like that movie" either.

Man, not everything has some sort of massive cultural significance. There's a lot of people in America who just love watching this shit. Enough that it consistently makes enough money that they keep doing it. You know Black Panther was one of the highest grossing films of all time. And it wasn't because Black Panther was such a well known and beloved character, previously nobody outside of diehard comic book geeks as far as I can tell knew that character was a thing. No, people flocked to that shit because it was "important".

Oh and Dune is one of the best selling science fiction novels of all time. Believe me, people are obsessed with that book. That's one reason it did so well.
Nobody cared about black people in Ghostbusters because the original had a blue collar black guy who was the most relatable character in the movie. Kids also love ghostbusters because it was one of the things parents shared with their kids. Afterlife made a lot of money where 2016 failed. So if they didn't care, why did Afterlife make so much money? It was also a passing of the torch to... girls. So the whole sexism argument doesn't work. One could argue it was "woke" in doing so, but it was what the fans - the aforementioned toxic manbabies - wanted, a film where the torch is passed. They got it, so they supported it. Sony even tried to drop Ghostbusters 2016 from the box set that included Afterlife and only added it because Feig threw a tantrum and even then it's a digital code people can ignore. If woke makes money, why would Sony originally drop 2016 from the box set?

Also Netflix has been losing subscribers because they keep ruining their shows with dogma. Doesn't help their showrunners antagonize the audience. They took a pretty big hit on the stock market for it and increased cost of membership to offset, but that may bounce back so we'll see. G4 is having similar hiccups with their launch because they won't stop insulting people.

Black Panther I actually wouldn't call woke. I suspected it would have been, but it was fairly benign. It was focusing more on conventional politics than identity from what I saw. That said it didn't interest me to begin with, mostly been laughing that the female lead is conservative and that makes people mad on Twitter. Like whenever Mel Gibson gets a role or gets to make another movie and it rakes in cash. I imagine you laugh for the same reason at people mad so and so is doing woke shit. Variety is the spice of life.

Speaking of spice... I haven't seen many Dune fans, to be honest. Even on the internet I've rarely ran across them despite generally being in those particular fandoms. They pale in comparison to Star Trek or Star Wars, hell I've seen more Lost in Space fans. Books don't really matter so much as other media does - which is somewhat tragic, but as I said before it's a degenerate cesspool - and the media behind Dune has been sporadic throughout the years. I'm not sure why they thought it was misogynist, though. I could have sworn it had a matriarchal order that was fairly important to the plot. The Bene Gesserit, right?
 
You know, the weird thing about the supposed woke marxist culture takeover, color revolution, or whatever we want to call it is that no one actually likes woke culture, not even the progtards themselves.

There is a reason people now say “get woke, go broke.” It’s because it is business suicide in America to “go woke” with your products. The Ghostbusters feminazi remake bombed. Gillette paid a massive price by attacking all men as walking sexual assault machines with their commercials. Star Wars is effectively dead.

Companies continue to create woke content but the public does not want to consume them. It's all virtue signal.

Also I have a hypothesis that woke creators are more driven by petty spite instead of love or interest in the work they are making. Read a bunch of tweets from woke Marvel comic book writers and fans (if they even exist), you'll see that they're more interested in "dunking on chuds" than you know enjoying reading comics.
Aside from things like the Ghostbusters remake and Gillette's ad, one could also include products that would try to sound like they'd make a difference when most people would cringe and shit on them for any reason, even for the change just being hollow virtue signaling. I can imagine that being thrown at something like with some toy company saying they made a "non-binary potato head" or whatever company running M&M's saying they made its characters "more inclusive" but all that did was just change shoes on an M&M. With such creators, one wouldn't be surprised at the idea of spite being there, either in the work or on whatever social media accounts there are.
 
Earlier this week Gen Con announced that attendees will be able to add their pronouns to their badges going forward.

Remember conventions? Pepperidge Farms does. But we’re not here to announce Milano Con 2022. We’re here to talk about Gen Con, who announced earlier this week that one of the new features for 2022 is the ability to add your pronouns to your Gen Con profile and printed on your badge as well.

"New for 2022: Your pronouns can now be added to your Gen Con account profile and printed on your Gen Con Indy badge! You are encouraged, but not required, to add your pronouns to your profile and badge. A blank option is available for those who do not wish to have their pronouns visible on their badge, and pronoun ribbons will still be available on-site at the convention."

In their announcement, Gen Con listed a variety of options:
(blank)
Ask me my pronouns
He/Him
She/Her
They/Them
He/She/They

…as well as instructions for how to add them to your badge, which mostly involve editing your Gen Con profile page. However, if you want to add them to your badge you’ll have to do so before the convention. The deadline to add or edit your pronouns for 2022 badges is June 17, 2022, as on-site convention staff won’t have access to change an attendee’s pronouns. After the deadline, the setting will lock for badges to be printed.

Source: https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2022/01/gen-con-adds-pronouns-to-badges-for-2022.html

Ask me my pronouns. I dare you.
 
They learned nothing from PAX. (I think it was PAX, where half the attendees had joke pronouns.)

Enough that it consistently makes enough money that they keep doing it.
Except it doesn't. @SiccDicc already listed some, but there's many more. Mass Effect Andromeda was shipping pallets of unsold stock to goodwill, and planned sequels and DLC were cancelled. The Last of Us 2 had copies sitting on shelves while everything else was sold out. When Anita Sarkeesian at the height of her popularity recommended a game, and it resulted in one sale. This was at a time when Total Biscuit could sell many games with a passing mention.

A great example to look at is that a single popular manga outsold the entire US comic book industry. Generally speaking, woke people don't buy things.

You know Black Panther was one of the highest grossing films of all time.
It was also part of the MCU and one of the many films related to EndGame. You also had lefties who saw the film many times or had school trips to see it, when usually they don't bother. We'll have to see how the post-Endgame woke films fare.
 
Ghostbusters 2016 was a loss. 355 bombed. Mulan live action tanked. Last Duel also bombed -- for some reason interviews referred to it as a feminist movie? Birds of Prey was destroyed by Alita. West Side Story failed. Book of Boba is divisive and Disney+ caused Disney's stock to downgrade. Disney's Star Wars theme hotel and park are operating at a loss.

Disney had a memo going around that fans come first now. It's gotten that bad. Not exactly gonna hold my breath, but eh. Probably want what Sony has been getting with Venom and No Way Home.

The thing is you're right that they believe what they say they do. That's why losses don't matter to them. It's about their cause. Like those Left Behind films or whatever that guy has been up to since.

EDIT: Forgot Santa Inc., Y the Last Man adaptation and pretty much the entirety of the CW.
What happened to all that ESG stuff where they actually make more through woke investors than they do by the product they turn out? Pretty sure that's still a thing. Birds of Prey is getting a spin-off movie, by the way, and its Black Canary is appearing in the new Flash movie. Money doesn't matter to them because its all 1s and 0s now and they can just make up more.
 
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