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Dragon quest 1,2 and 3 are on Switch as Dragon Quest Collection
Which were the IOS ports, but the physical release was in Asia and not america.


There's a fuckload of clickbait articles about Sony leaving japan.


Japanese gamers were stunned by a report in early January saying Sony had stopped shipments of most PS4 models in Japan, with the Twittersphere erupting over the news. "It was earlier than expected," said one tweet. "I need to buy PS5 now," said another.


But PS5 sales in Japan have been lackluster, with only about 266,000 units sold in the first eight weeks, according to Japanese gaming magazine Famitsu. This is about half that of PS4 over the same time frame and less than 60% of PS3, whose initial sales also suffered from lack of supply. Notably, PS5 sales hardly surged during the Christmas and New Year shopping season.

and why was that? Why would sales in Japan stagnate?


Well first off the system sold out world wide before the shopping season even started and they couldn't supply new ones. Even AMD said they can't make new chips fast enough.

AMD apparently cannot keep up as demand for chips used in home entertainment is soaring due to the pandemic.

Generally speaking there's zero signs of Japanese devs leaving because none of the big companies have left, smaller companies tend to follow the big ones because you get crossover from other audiences. Square and Atlus both have their base firmly planted on Sony's consoles for eons so any other smaller companies who also make RPGs also go there since there's crossover between franchise audiences.

If a system is sold out that's generally not considered a bad sign for overall health. Especially since it's getting to be February and I still can't personally buy the fucking thing and there are wait lists and lotteries still going on.
 
There is also the side effect of having too many niche games getting localized while the mainstream stuff in Japan was getting brought over. So long as there was some content control, journalists will treat this is as something that probably will never get localized and seen as this "look at this weird stuff from Japan"
Razorfist's "downfall of games journalism" series is a great time capsule of how games journalism was viewed pre-gamergate. His Kotaku video makes that exact criticism, which is especially noteworthy because Kotaku claimed to be a site about niche Japanese games that never elevated beyond normie tier "weird japan" bullshit.
It's also interesting to see various old articles that would get someone cancelled these days.
 
Welp I guess this is a fitting sign of the times
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Jesus Christ, that video was posted last month. I thought you just posting old shit. Who still thinks this is happening in 2020? No one besides simps and assholes looking for a fight actually care if a girl plays videogames
 
Jesus Christ, that video was posted last month. I thought you just posting old shit. Who still thinks this is happening in 2020? No one besides simps and assholes looking for a fight actually care if a girl plays videogames
It struck me to be something the same vein as those PSA movies that were made to stop children from entering satanic cults. It's the same moral fagging that existed in the 80's and 90's but now amped up to an even higher degree. It's incredibly out of touch and the fact that it tries to force itself to be cool by having large media companies promote and sponser the video just further adds to the retardation.

Also who fuck gets a PS5 and then starts playing shitty Always Online BR games? You're not making a good argument that girls do consoles games good.

A more realistic thing would have been to have her buy DES and to keep dying to the black skeleton knights in Shrine of Storms and she only gets her mother to enter her room due to the constant cursing heard throughout the house.
 
It struck me to be something the same vein as those PSA movies that were made to stop children from entering satanic cults. It's the same moral fagging that existed in the 80's and 90's but now amped up to an even higher degree. It's incredibly out of touch and the fact that it tries to force itself to be cool by having large media companies promote and sponser the video just further adds to the retardation.
They really do think the gaming scene is still primarily like the old magazine ads where they would mock you for playing like a girl. They desperately want that victim mentality to stay just so they can look so brave and strong for defying it.


Also who fuck gets a PS5 and then starts playing shitty Always Online BR games? You're not making a good argument that girls do consoles games good.
I think it's because the chick with the glasses was known for playing a bunch of Call of Duty on her channel. I say was because it's just tiktok reactions and shit like that now.
 
Actually it depends on the company or IP holder, some companies have the ps4 compete with the switch, while others do not and just have it compete with xbox and PC, others will also group PC into it's own thing and segregate the consoles. You're basically getting into statistics and lying with statistics at that point, it also depends on who initiates the deal.

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the irony is so sweet it's giving me diabetes.
especially since I didn't post any, you sure you're not reaching or confusing me with @BananaSplit ?


yes, and? nothing you said changes anything at his point, at best its completely irrelevant. I get you want to pull your usual "skirt and deflect", but the topic is still DQ and how it's exclusivity will affect ps5 sales in japan. in what way does a mulitplat re-release of a highly requested fan favorite have anything to do with sony's japan strategy?

no shit "also depends on who initiates the deal." - which also doesn't matter. either squeenix wants to sell it to sony, or sony requests it. means fuck all when sony doesn't care for it in the first place.
nisa/atlus/xseed/etc don't get paid, or at best a measly sum, since they have an inherent interest to sell on playstation for the reach to begin with. sony doesn't have to compete because these are not high profile games for the most part, and when they do it's usually timed anyway. this also conveniently ignores that switch and playstation hardly have overlap due to their hardware. nintendo won't try to outbid sony for most AAA for that simple reason alone (and when they do they go all in, see bayonetta 2).

>The whole Soulsborne genre became a thing because Sony throws cash at people,
ONE game during the ps3, ONE during ps4. as I said already, this isn't ps3 sony. by their own admission they are focusing on big budget exclusives, and in case you didn't notice most if not all of their high profile studios are western, already doing movie "third person adventure" games. they also said nintendo is no competition for them (although they might have changed have their tune by now). so wtf would sony give a shit about DQ, which only really does matter in japan, possibly getting picked up by someone they don't compete with anyway, for a market posted by your own stats has minimal effect globally? you think sony doesn't have the same metrics? and monhun is one of the bigger titles in that regard.
another indicator is studio japan is losing talent. if sony would care about "throwing money at other unrelated stuff" why not at their most prominent studio for that? wanna know why? because that niche is increasingly filled by indies, and most normalfags don't give a rats ass if a game with cute animu girls is made in japan or elsewhere. the amount of metroidvanias and "inspired by <insert classic jprg here>" is staggering. there is zero point spending money on that when those people will come to you on their own because they want access to your 100+ million install base.
sony won't abandon japanese games, there's still profit to be made, so of course they will keep doing business there. however, this doesn't mean japan enjoys the same amount of focus it got in the past. sony is chasing the global shekel now, and when it didn't make much of a difference for xbox with it's non-existent presence, it won't for playstation with a much bigger global presence either.

also, fucking crunchyroll again? of course there will be some connection, sony is a global conglomerate and even the crustiest boomer exec gets the concept of "synergy" and "cross promotion". that's like saying sony shilling their electronics in their movies is proof for sony re-investing in that sector when they've been eating shit there for years.
it's simply a smart business decision since it's an emergent market, especially with western media having shitfit after shitfit.
 
>The whole Soulsborne genre became a thing because Sony throws cash at people,
ONE game during the ps3, ONE during ps4. as I said already, this isn't ps3 sony. by their own admission they are focusing on big budget exclusives, and in case you didn't notice most if not all of their high profile studios are western, already doing movie "third person adventure" games. they also said nintendo is no competition for them (although they might have changed have their tune by now). so wtf would sony give a shit about DQ, which only really does matter in japan, possibly getting picked up by someone they don't compete with anyway, for a market posted by your own stats has minimal effect globally? you think sony doesn't have the same metrics? and monhun is one of the bigger titles in that regard.
another indicator is studio japan is losing talent. if sony would care about "throwing money at other unrelated stuff" why not at their most prominent studio for that? wanna know why? because that niche is increasingly filled by indies, and most normalfags don't give a rats ass if a game with cute animu girls is made in japan or elsewhere. the amount of metroidvanias and "inspired by <insert classic jprg here>" is staggering. there is zero point spending money on that when those people will come to you on their own because they want access to your 100+ million install base.
sony won't abandon japanese games, there's still profit to be made, so of course they will keep doing business there. however, this doesn't mean japan enjoys the same amount of focus it got in the past. sony is chasing the global shekel now, and when it didn't make much of a difference for xbox with it's non-existent presence, it won't for playstation with a much bigger global presence either.
You see this is the point of contention I disagree with, I've been saying that while the western division has gotten bigger it has not come at the cost of Japan. Like there's no internal movement away from it. The PS4 made their western game division expand larger than it's been, but it wasn't to the detriment to everything else.

Some people left studio Japan, but it wasn't a number that would indicate that they're running on a Skeleton crew either. They're still slotted to have games made from them.

The monster hunter sales chart also shows that westerners are more than willing to play japanese games as they are, and there wouldn't need to revamp everything to make it unrecognizable.
 
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@Marissa Moira I've not replied to your posts for a while, simply because is blatant fanboyism that I've not really seen in years, but this stood out.
The monster hunter sales chart also shows that westerners are more than willing to play japanese games as they are, and there wouldn't need to revamp everything to make it unrecognizable.
Do you even know what thread you're in?

Games were doing great as they were. If the games industry, and woke companies especially, had a "if it ain't broke don't fix it" approach, this thread probably wouldn't exist. The existence of censorship scandals is enough to show that companies will gladly mangle anything if they think they can get money or clout for it.

Even though what I'm about to say is about gaming, this can easily apply to films, books, comics, and almost any other industry that cratered itself in an attempt to go woke. I've said this before, but I'll go into it again.


As much as I hate Jim Sterlings "AAA-Capitalism!" shtick, one thing he gets right is that companies demand for constant growth overrides the more common sense approach of "profitable and stable". A some time around 2012 gaming was bigger than it ever was, and it had gone mainstream, but there was a problem. They hit a cap on the number of people who'd buy their products. Casuals bought the Wii, but that didn't translated into new hardcore gamers. They stuck to Wii Sports and a few other mini game collections. GTA and Call of Duty were massive sellers, but there's few people who can be convinced to buy the game who haven't already done so.

This led to a false assumption. "Fans will buy anything with game logo on it, if we change game to be more like Call of Duty, then the existing fanbase who likes game will buy it, and the Call of Duty fanbase will buy it!". Then game crashes and burns, the people responsible cover their arse, and repeat the process again.

Why do you think companies are bending over backward to appease China? It's a new market to expand into.

AAA companies absolutely will, and have, killed the goose that laid the golden eggs and carpet bomb the farm afterwards if they think they can make a little extra money. Look at Dead Space or Mass Effect.
 
AAA companies absolutely will, and have, killed the goose that laid the golden eggs and carpet bomb the farm afterwards if they think they can make a little extra money. Look at Dead Space or Mass Effect.
Capcom has had like 3 or 4 redemption/fallen arcs themselves. Square Enix fucked themselves sideways with final fantasy 13 and 15.

But I don't think we're anywhere close to having any of the large companies cannibalizing stuff more than they already have.

Things like e-sports fucked a ton of fighting games but with EVO gone there doesn't seem to be any drive to reinstitute a replacement, especially with corona. We're now getting re-releases of games and series like Samurai Showdown geared more towards home play than ranked online competitions.

We're not close to what's happening in comics where there's only two big deal fish in a small pond and the pond is entirely made out of piss.

Personally I don't see things getting worse, especially since we seem to be getting many games in the upcoming months that were previously not brought over to the west for decades. Many shmups are getting proper physical compilations for western audiences.
 
Stupid question, but now that Joe Biden is POTUS, does this mean that we’ll be experiencing a video game crash in a near future?

The last one we had was over 38 years ago.
 
Stupid question, but now that Joe Biden is POTUS, does this mean that we’ll be experiencing a video game crash in a near future?

The last one we had was over 38 years ago.
Maybe, unless he subsidizes them for the importance of propaganda efforts. Which I think Obama did with the media? I can't remember. He was throwing money at them for something.

I think Canada has been doing that shit, though. Certainly all the worst artsy fartsy shit coming out of there to criticize the public for not caring seems to have been made from grants.
 
Stupid question, but now that Joe Biden is POTUS, does this mean that we’ll be experiencing a video game crash in a near future?

The last one we had was over 38 years ago.
No, it'll just crash with the rest of the economy come 2021/2022 when the government stops injecting hot air into it (and they will have to because if they keep doing it then it'll be an economic crash via hyperinflation and you'll be paying 6 million dollars for a new video game).
Maybe, unless he subsidizes them for the importance of propaganda efforts. Which I think Obama did with the media? I can't remember. He was throwing money at them for something.
You're thinking of when Obama gave hundreds of millions of dollars to journalists to "fight fake news." When this money ran out, a bunch of articles started popping up about journalists being laid off or entire outlets even closing. Pretty sure Kotaku got hit too at least.
 
You're thinking of when Obama gave hundreds of millions of dollars to journalists to "fight fake news." When this money ran out, a bunch of articles started popping up about journalists being laid off or entire outlets even closing. Pretty sure Kotaku got hit too at least.
That was it.
 
Maybe, unless he subsidizes them for the importance of propaganda efforts. Which I think Obama did with the media? I can't remember. He was throwing money at them for something.

I think Canada has been doing that shit, though. Certainly all the worst artsy fartsy shit coming out of there to criticize the public for not caring seems to have been made from grants.
Canada is entirely the reason why Volcano High exists or existed.

Most of the state funded art shit goes MIA or the studio heads grift and close the studio only to re-open a new studio and reapply for the same government benefits.

Awhile back some studio got the money and then proceeded to try to make the most racist funny game in existence about Canada. Chinese stereotypes, homosexuals raping children, a very realistic depiction of Quebec, the works. The government shut it down. I know they got as far as a Chiense chef boss fight where he throws cats at you.
 
I think Canada has been doing that shit, though. Certainly all the worst artsy fartsy shit coming out of there to criticize the public for not caring seems to have been made from grants.
State-funded art in Canada is decades old, it's called "Canadian content" and in large part exists because some people decades ago were worried Canada was too dominated by the US and Britain (the Anglo-Canadian identity is based on not being filthy yanks). It exists and is promoted on the basis of being made by Canadians. If you delve into it, there's all sorts of weird shit that got a relatively wide audience on the sole basis of government funding. Unsurprising it would spread to video games too.

It's not likely to spread to the US because there's simply no framework for that here. We have "combatting fake news", well good luck convincing the government you and your fellow soyboys and troons are going to fight fake news with your latest walking simulator when the journos at CNN want a raise.
 
Yeah, pretty much all the state funding to media in the United States is focused on journalism and stuff like NPR and PBS. Even then, most of the journalism is corporate-owned. Obama did subsidize Buzzfeed and the other big clickbait mills right as they were getting big in that flavor-of-the-month sort of way, but once he left office, everything started to go haywire as the funds dried up.

I doubt Biden/Harris will fund the clickbait mills like Obama did, at least not right away. The economy's in too bad of shape, even when you compare it to the Great Recession that dominated Obama's first term.

Another thing to consider is a lot of the pretentious hipster clickbait mills like Buzzfeed, Vice, Salon, and Vox were seen as the next big thing in journalism back in 2009 and it'd make sense for Obama to try and fund them as mainstream newspapers like USA Today died and others like the New York Times and the Washington Post were in a state of decline.
 
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