Culture Wars General - KiA Diet Coke Edition

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Marissa Moira said:
Dude Gematsu is just Resetera of a different stripe and that's where all the /pol rejects went and now the owner Sal is trying to bring order to his site. They're just as bad as Resetera and you sound just like them with the exact same talking points. Many other sites zero'd into this and increased their moderation because of these same people, it's not like anime sites have not dealt with weebs who have false ideas about japan before, but holy shit maidenless tarnished please touch grace along with the rest of them.

You were just bitching about Japan getting it's man-panties in a twist over violence after I've said numerous the sony regulations are less retarded than CERO's own shit because Japan has a long history of getting queasy over little shinji seeing the blood and the guns. Hell Japan had made numerous crackdowns on content themselves at this point since the government isn't pleased.

Your hyperfocus on japan blinded you from seeing that most JRPGS have been more or less had the west as a primary audience for well over a few decades at this point, it's why every main series has been well received in larger numbers outside a few outliers like Dragon Quest since the newest game isn't out yet. Fromsoft's Elden ring is now just part of a larger trend where Japanese games sell way more outside of Japan. But you're still pushing a mentality that hasn't existed with many Japanese devs for quite a long while since America is a much larger market and has adapted a nuanced taste for games like that. Fuck Sega is probably exhibit A for this right down for allowing westerners to make a sonic game that turned out better than Sonic Team's own offerings and Atlus reaching massive popularity overseas.

and your switch screenshots had the british pound in them.
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Personally I don't like the state of affairs right now involving how some of the companies is going back to brooking off certain parts of their popular overseas franchises and telling everyone they aint welcome and having to deal with the toxicity from the people who already have issues with having limited access to sexual content and telling them to basically fuck off and starve in terms of sexual content. We don't care if JRPGs is getting more mass appeal, we care about how certain fanbases are being trampled on to attain a misguided goal of wide success when popular platforms are now hostile battle grounds where civil discussion is impossible

The reality of what Sony did did irrevocable to the localization scene as a whole and the people who defend the damage it causes are in an unpopular position that have no allies protecting them from the dogpile like right now where it's you against people who tell you to just stop defending bad business practices.
 
MT Foxtrot said:
*Shrug* I guess. I mean, if someone took away my dark disturbing acts of ultraviolence in games I would be lighting the torches too...
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Before the culture wars there was an incident at E3 that looks like a warning sign in hindsight.

God of War was shown with Kratos ripping a brain out of an enemy in gory detail like it was a Mortal Kombat finisher. The crowd cheered like it was a football match.

In another presentation there was a trailer for Far Cry 3 that showed a topless woman in body paint. There was a wave of grumbling that followed as news sites and podcasts complained it was in bad taste, only to get called out for this US-centric double standard.
 
BananaSplit said:
Just because vidya news websites in the western world have long stopped reporting Sony's censorship of japanese games doesn't nullify what previously transpired, or like you claimed in your previous post, "never happened". The japanese game rating board CERO can be cancerous at times but that will never justify Sony to be extra cancerous and therefore decide on a whim (with no clear indication to devs) what's acceptable for american sensibilities even for games that never left Japan, or weren't released worldwide day one.


My game screenshots are both in English and Japanese. But if that's enough to make you believe I'm an anglo, it's no wonder why you get things wrong everytime on every topic with this narrow way of thinking.
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CEROs worse dude, they've mandated more changes in a month than sony has in a year, even the Chrono Cross remake had shit changed because of CERO.

But keep fighting those imaginary strawmen in your head. You have the Japanese government regulatory boards being far bigger forms of influence than any feminist could. They think following what china is doing to it's media is a good idea because restrictions is a good thing in their minds because it can force it's population harder down a singular hole. Japan has been wanting to take steps to get rid of coomer shit for a long ass time. Fuck Korea needs a Social Security Number to make an online account so the government can watch you so you're dedicating yourself to work or school more than you are to games.

Your game screenshots literally had a pound sign in there with the e-shop. E-shop is region specific. It wasn't a euro and it certainly wasn't AUD or anything else.

BrokenWokenBespoken said:
Personally I don't like the state of affairs right now involving how some of the companies is going back to brooking off certain parts of their popular overseas franchises and telling everyone they aint welcome and having to deal with the toxicity from the people who already have issues with having limited access to sexual content and telling them to basically fuck off and starve in terms of sexual content. We don't care if JRPGs is getting more mass appeal, we care about how certain fanbases are being trampled on to attain a misguided goal of wide success when popular platforms are now hostile battle grounds where civil discussion is impossible

The reality of what Sony did did irrevocable to the localization scene as a whole and the people who defend the damage it causes are in an unpopular position that have no allies protecting them from the dogpile like right now where it's you against people who tell you to just stop defending bad business practices.
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You're being incredibly overdramatic.

Actual porn is still widely available. No fanbases are getting trampled, and we're at a point where smaller genres have become more widespread where they were not before. New shit has arisen and gained followings.
 
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Marissa Moira said:
CEROs worse dude, they've mandated more changes in a month than sony has in a year, even the Chrono Cross remake had shit changed because of CERO.
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Do you have actual proofs that CERO was involved behind the changes (in the Chrono Cross remaster) or is it your usual "gotcha" bullshit to forcefully pretend you're never in the wrong? And the point was that Sony California has no justification to regulate the game releases within Japan when the nippon rating board CERO has been designated to do that job since two decades ago

Marissa Moira said:
Your game screenshots literally had a pound sign in there with the e-shop. E-shop is region specific. It wasn't a euro and it certainly wasn't AUD or anything else.
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lol what. Feel free to find which screenshot I've uploaded that supports your claim

Marissa Moira said:
You're being incredibly overdramatic
Actual porn is still widely available
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Now we're getting to the old classic excuse of "just look at porn" when sexy female character design was deemed problematic in video games/comics/etc during the early 2010s
 
BananaSplit said:
Do you have actual proofs that CERO was involved behind the changes (in the Chrono Cross remaster) or is it your usual "gotcha" bullshit to forcefully pretend you're never in the wrong? And the point was that Sony California has no justification to regulate the japanese game releases when the nippon rating board CERO has already been doing the job for more than a decade.
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Yes Cero was involved because the Japanese version had both switch and PS4 versions have the changes. They gave characters bloomers instead of thongs if they were underage.

And a Publisher/Company has every right to regulate their platform, that's literally part of it's function. Fucking steam regulates japanese games all the time outside of any agency.
 
Marissa Moira said:
Yes Cero was involved because the Japanese version had both switch and PS4 versions have the changes. They gave characters bloomers instead of thongs if they were underage.
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That's not a solid proof of CERO's direct involvement considering the Chrono Cross remaster was released worldwide day one, on April 7th 2022, and it wouldn't surprise me Squeenix made only an international version to be shipped everywhere (considering the supported in-game languages according to the respective JP & US nintendo eshops remain the same)

Marissa Moira said:
And a Publisher/Company has every right to regulate their platform, that's literally part of it's function. Fucking steam regulates japanese games all the time outside of any agency.
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Funny how you went from "sony witch hunt of japanese games never happened" to "Sony was perfectly in the right to regulate japanese games in their platform" in a mere few posts.

Still waiting for you to prove your delirious claim of me being an englishman btw.
 
BananaSplit said:
Funny how you went from "sony witch hunt of japanese games never happened" to "Sony was perfectly in the right to regulate their platform" in a mere few posts.
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Because it wasn't a witch hunt, western games had to change stuff as well, it was never primarily regulated to japanese games since these were worldwide standards.

I know people reported it as such, but those people were wrong.
 
MT Foxtrot said:
People really take their cartoon tits and loli grooming seriously.
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In case you missed it, people are up in arms because a recent videogame remaster had a remastered character model with different panties than the original.
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That character is a little kid.
 
big ups liquid richard said:
Like the creepy dudes who use male feminism as a shield against criticism of their degeneracy, so do these coombrains hide behind "anti censorship" to justify their mental illness.
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Just because a few people on the Internet are acting like Billy from (the old and defunct) OneAngryGamer doesn't nullify the problems of localization & censorship that has been present in videogames for decades. And what the entertainment field had become overall with the current era of social media and globalization.

I wasn't aware the censorship in question on the CT remaster was the loli pantsu but I hope this doesn't shut down future discussions if further proofs of censorship are later revealed. I only remember the english translation in the original PS1 release could be fanfiction-tier just like many Squaresoft games back then.

Edit: Seems like the english AND japanese text were both altered in the remaster to be more "politically-correct"
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Edit 2: This reminds me that @albert the programmer made a post earlier in the thread about the ethics department within Square-Enix so it seems the CT debacle is further cementing the fact
 
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BananaSplit said:
Just because a few people on the Internet are acting like Billy from (the old and defunct) OneAngryGamer doesn't nullify the problems of localization & censorship that has been present in videogames for decades. And what the entertainment field had become overall with the current era of social media and globalization.

I wasn't aware the censorship in question on the CT remaster was the loli pantsu but I hope this doesn't shut down future discussions if further proofs of censorship are later revealed. I only remember the english translation in the original PS1 release could be fanfiction-tier just like many Squaresoft games back then.

Edit: Seems like the english AND japanese text were both altered in the remaster to be more "politically-correct"
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Edit 2: This reminds me that @albert the programmer made a post earlier in the thread about the ethics department within Square-Enix so it seems the CT debacle is further cementing the fact
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Ah, so they even changed the Japanese too. Wheeeeee!
 
I've played the original and that panty flash is visible for like a fraction of a second. Less than one frame. I don't give a shit about it because I'm an adult with access to porn and not a weird autist but it is strange that they'd go back and censor something that happens so fast 99% of players probably missed it.

The only way they could have caught this is if the "ethics" team was literally searching frame by frame the entire game to find something problematic.

That's kind of scary from a freedom of speech and expression point of view.
 
People will defend all these small changes and will continue to defend them when entire plot points end up getting changed as a result of a slippery slope.

The dialogue changes are obviously the bigger issue here, you can also be upset at the weird shit with the panties if you want but if that's taking priority over the dialogue changes you should not only take a shower, but also consider some sunlight.
 
BananaSplit said:
a few people on the Internet

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Even that account you linked to, has a tweet complaining about the changes in underwear. As do almost all the replies...
When I looked at the steam forums for the game, as they were linked in the game's thread... there were a lot of people doing the same. Another interesting thing I noticed, when I click on their profile. Most of them are in steam groups about "loli" and "flat is justice" and dozens of other porn related groups. It's well beyond a few...
 
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big ups liquid richard said:
Even that account you linked to, has a tweet complaining about the changes in underwear. As do almost all the replies...
When I looked at the steam forums for the game, as they were linked in the game's thread... there were a lot of people doing the same. Another interesting thing I noticed, when I click on their profile. Most of them are in steam groups about "loli" and "flat is justice" and dozens of other porn related groups. It's well beyond a few...
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The other tweet I assume you're talking about, is for informative purposes as it shows you can at least revert back to the original PS1 character models in the game settings of the remaster.

As long as those people can make the difference between fiction and reality, I personally don't really give a damn about their 2D fetishes otherwise. A bunch of Internet weirdos shouldn't be used as a way to discredit information of censorship and legitimate concerns.

I believe people are more up to arms about the rising frequency of japanese games being neutered to meet "global standards in current year" (right to the source too). Chrono Trigger now included as the original story script in japanese has been changed, to extents yet unknown but I doubt the ethics department only edited one line if 女らしい (a common word for ladylike/feminine) is already verboten.
 
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BananaSplit said:
Just because a few people on the Internet are acting like Billy from (the old and defunct) OneAngryGamer doesn't nullify the problems of localization & censorship that has been present in videogames for decades. And what the entertainment field had become overall with the current era of social media and globalization.

I wasn't aware the censorship in question on the CT remaster was the loli pantsu but I hope this doesn't shut down future discussions if further proofs of censorship are later revealed. I only remember the english translation in the original PS1 release could be fanfiction-tier just like many Squaresoft games back then.

Edit: Seems like the english AND japanese text were both altered in the remaster to be more "politically-correct"
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Edit 2: This reminds me that @albert the programmer made a post earlier in the thread about the ethics department within Square-Enix so it seems the CT debacle is further cementing the fact
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All panty and lolishit is being actively removed by CERO for even B and C rated stuff it's not surprising.

Hell Gust has even removed panties for many of their games and they don't even have an ethics department and this is for all regions.

Putting the blame on Square Enix's ethics department misses the point that this is just a larger cultural trend in general, not just one lone ethics dapartment. Because they made th ethics department in the first place since there was outlying requests and legal circumstances for one to exist.
 
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