Crazy Christians

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exball said:
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Seeing that makes me think of Skyrim (Galmar says that if Balgruf isn't with the Stormcloaks, he's against them). Kinda makes me wonder if Jesus might join the dang-dirty Stormcloaks.
 
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I'll delve into my personal life a little here. I dated a catholic girl for a few years and she was pretty hardcore into it. I'm pretty sure I was part of her "rebellion phase" or something. She was pretty nuts but not as nuts as her parents who were super catholic. They were completely nice around me but according to her they hated my guts because I wasn't catholic and were convinced I was the devil who was going to drag their poor "innocent" daughter into hell.

After we broke up they sent her to some school or camp or something like that to rid her soul of whatever demon influence she got from being around me. It's a pity they can't see past their noses when it comes to non-catholics.
 
One of the more repulsive Chick Tracts is called 'Lisa', and is about child sexual abuse and deals with it terribly, worse than the other Chick Tracts normally deal with things. You can read it here if you have a strong stomach. It's so awful that even Chick himself has disowned it--it doesn't appear anywhere on his website.
 
Axiom said:
One of the more repulsive Chick Tracts is called 'Lisa', and is about child sexual abuse and deals with it terribly, worse than the other Chick Tracts normally deal with things. You can read it here if you have a strong stomach. It's so awful that even Chick himself has disowned it--it doesn't appear anywhere on his website.
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I heard about 'Lisa' before and how Chick took it down but he also disowned it? That I did not know. The fact that the father didn't really get punished for what he did is something I don't like. Honestly, I'd like to see an ending where the cops burst in and arrest them for the abuse of their child. Still, the fact Chick disowned it, I guess that was too awful even to him.

Also here is the Chick Tract I gotten earlier from this college semester.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0009/0009_01.asp
As much as how Chick Tracts aren't good, I like looking at this simply because of evil Colonel Sanders. Pretty much made a joke of how KFC is of the devil.
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To take a quote from TV Tropes.
If you can't trust Colonel Sanders, you can't trust anybody.
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A cult was traditionally defined as a group dedicated to one god, usually the ones taking care of a particular temple dedicated to a god or goddess. The Cult of Isis for example, was very popular in Pre - Christian Rome.
 
My grandparents try to rope me into religious discussions and their religion's dogma practically all the time. Once when asked if I believed in religion or believed in evolution/science, I said that you can believe in both. My grandmother said that I can't be a Christian because I said that and it's sinful. I dunno if they're expecting me to nod my head and agree with this insanity or if I'm being used as a way to prove that non-religious folk are wrong and terrible.

They also seem (or at least my grandmother seems) utterly against science yet they have no qualms about using doctors or looking to health professionals, both of which use science.

They also have this thought that subjugating women is "honoring" them or "putting them on a pedestal" and that the Jewish people deserve their misfortunes for what they did to Jesus and shit like that.

My grandparents' preacher has spent a lot of time in nearly all of his lectures about how the other denominations/churches are wrong and how terrible they are for making religion enjoyable, giving their members freedom, etc. plus all the things he says their own church does correctly.

Axiom said:
I am quite anti-religion myself so I struggle not to say all religions are a cult and walk away. Sociologists classify a movement as a cult by some criteria, including:

Excessive zealousness in behaviour.
Not questioning the leader(s).
Dissent or questioning or doubt are discouraged and punished.
Elitism and a polarizing us-against-them mentality.
Preoccupation with acquiring new members.
Insisting that whatever is demanded of members and whatever the cult does is always justified.
Members are expected to commit most or all of their time to the cult.
Discouraged from interacting with anyone not in the cult, including family and friends.
Shunning of anyone who leaves.
Instilling the belief that there is no life beyond the group and nothing worth living for outside the group.
Instilling the belief that members will be worthless, useless, or otherwise incapable without the group and its practices.
Shaming, confessions, spying, excessive exhausting work, or other means of controlling members.
Control over member's lives outside the group, work and school and recreation and even their correspondence with others.

And probably others as well.

The biggest red flag is shunning and squashing of dissent. If the group wants to keep people from voicing doubt or interacting with anyone who doubts, questions, doesn't believe, etc... then odds are it has some culty practices and is possibly dangerous.
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As much as I hate to say it, my grandparents and their religion fit several of the criteria.



Thought I would share, considering I live with the crazy. Theirs is a subtle kind of crazy.


EDIT: OH YEAH. Forgot to mention that my grandmother once said that the other gods are false gods because they have emotions.

......Um.... yeah, about that.....
 
caffeinated_wench said:
My grandparents' preacher has spent a lot of time in nearly all of his lectures about how the other denominations/churches are wrong and how terrible they are for making religion enjoyable, giving their members freedom, etc. plus all the things he says their own church does correctly.


As much as I hate to say it, my grandparents and their religion fit several of the criteria.



Thought I would share, considering I live with the crazy. Theirs is a subtle kind of crazy.


EDIT: OH YEAH. Forgot to mention that my grandmother once said that the other gods are false gods because they have emotions.

......Um.... yeah, about that.....
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So this preacher spends much time in his lectures saying other churches are wrong and bad because they make Christianity and religions enjoyable? Well, I guess the church I attend is just plain bad because it is enjoyable to go to (even if routine does make it bland like with college and other facets of life). Same goes with the freedom offered by other churches. As for saying what his church does correctly, I wonder what he says they do correctly as in what? Dress code? So if I came to church wearing a polo and blue jeans, does that mean I sin before the eyes of God and get denied salvation despite accepting Christ as my savior? Seriously, if one does wonder what and why Christianity has problems, it can be people like the pastor your grandparents follow. As for the cult criteria, I'm glad in that I'm very sure the group I follow isn't some cult that wants to control my life (though they do want to get new members though in defense of that, we pretty much have a new location and just want to expand. Also sure the group isn't preoccupied with that goal). As for your edit, kinda makes one wonder if your grandmother believes that God might be a robot or something in her opinion. Really, I can't help but think of SKYnet or SHODAN. Of course, since the Bible mentions God being angry and happy and what not in some passages, would that mean the Judeo-Christian God is a false god?
 
A church wanting to find new members doesn't make it a cult. Every organization I've been a part of wanted more members, because people come and go all the time, so if they didn't get new members they would soon cease to exist. If all they care about is getting more people under their control and guilt trip you if you don't do it or don't do it enough, then you can be concerned that it's a manipulative group.
 
I don't know how crazy we want to get here when talking about the Mormons (being a former one myself), but all I can say is there's a lot more craziness happening right now with Kate Kelly being excommunicated. It's pretty much undone any good PR the church has done to this point and growing up with four sisters but being told how "special" I was to "hold the priesthood" when I saw them as equals is one big reason I left in the first place. I don't know how much you'd guys want to read put up with me on the subject matter but boy it's a doozy.
 
Not sure if this counts too, but out near this middle school there's a house with two large signs posted on their lawn denouncing abortion and -- from what I gathered -- claiming the country would be better off if the church had control over it.
 
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