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It blows my mind how YECs actually think that the world was made 5000 years ago, dinosaurs and man coexisted, and that a worldwide flood actually happened despite the mountains of evidence that prove otherwise. How people are able to come up with stuff like that by reading a book escapes me.
 
In you're second and third years of law school they give you an office to study in because law school is that serious business. You shared the office with another person and my second year office mate was a fundy. The cops were doing their annual "we're not that bad, rely" tour of the campus and had one of the five or so patrol horses that Kansas City pays out the ear for and never uses. My office mate was talking about it and how I should go check it out, I declined because I'm not into the police or horses.

Somehow the topic turned to the Indian's (casino variety) use of horses. I mentioned off-handledly that their were horses in the new world at some point, but the Indians ate them all instead of using them for draft animals. Seemingly not believing me, the guy says "oh yeah, when was that". I tell him it was quite a while ago and look it up on the computer. The verdict from the internet was that it was 10,000 years ago, I relay this information to him and he flatly says "that's impossible, the earth's only 6,000 years old". An awkard silence fills my 6'X6' prison cell of insanity. "Ok" I say, unsure if he's serious or just fucking with me. Finally, I just straight up ask the guy if he's fucking with me. He assures me that he is, in fact, 1,000% serious. This guy then goes on a tirdade about how the bible says the earth's only 6,000 years old and everything in there is literally true.

I pretty much didn't talk to that guy any more after that. He was kind of a dick anyway. He thought he was better than everyone but wasn't very good at law school. Total boot licker of authority too, couldn't wait to become a prosecutor and pretty much thought that everyone that ever gets charged is always guilty.
 
GrandNumberOfPounds said:
80 foot demons attack Christian couple after their 25th anniversary - OOGA BOOGA!! :twisted:

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You mean OOGABOOGABOOGA !!
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ASoulMan said:
It blows my mind how YECs actually think that the world was made 5000 years ago, dinosaurs and man coexisted, and that a worldwide flood actually happened despite the mountains of evidence that prove otherwise. How people are able to come up with stuff like that by reading a book escapes me.
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I direct you this email from Mailbag 13:
Christian Weston Chandler said:
God made the Big Bang, then created the Garden of Eden to start, but outside the garden was where the dinosaurs roamed. The dinosaurs, and the other creatures, had to begin in their own way, so God gave them the evolution rights, whereas in the garden, he went to the point "B" of the final creature/human creations. To put it another way, within the garden were his final ideas, and all those outside of the garden were all that were to be made the final ideas being made from scratch. It's like drawing the plans for a house; the plans is comparable to the garden, but to make the actual house, you would have to start from scratch.
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Considering YEC's, I wonder if this version of young earth creationism I just made up sounds just as stupid if not then more or less:

God made the world in 8000 years. The first 1000, we had man walking with dinosaurs that had laser beams. After the dinosaurs killed themselves in the great dinolaser war, man kind also perished until a drunken alien redneck came to earth one day and slept with a gorilla. Said gorilla then gave birth to an alien-gorilla hybrid that then became a mate of the last few humans and then the next 2000 years, our alien gorilla human ancestors started killing each other until only a handful remained and made a boat that ended up killing them and so God decided within the next 5000 years, just make everything else again but without the lasers for the dinosaurs and then all the other YEC stuff that even old earth creationist would laugh at.

How does this sound? Do I sound like I tried too hard?
 
c-no said:
Considering YEC's, I wonder if this version of young earth creationism I just made up sounds just as stupid if not then more or less:

God made the world in 8000 years. The first 1000, we had man walking with dinosaurs that had laser beams. After the dinosaurs killed themselves in the great dinolaser war, man kind also perished until a drunken alien redneck came to earth one day and slept with a gorilla. Said gorilla then gave birth to an alien-gorilla hybrid that then became a mate of the last few humans and then the next 2000 years, our alien gorilla human ancestors started killing each other until only a handful remained and made a boat that ended up killing them and so God decided within the next 5000 years, just make everything else again but without the lasers for the dinosaurs and then all the other YEC stuff that even old earth creationist would laugh at.

How does this sound? Do I sound like I tried too hard?
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No, you just described Scientology sans the thetans
 
My senior year geology professor was so frustrated with creation science that he once told us that if we came back to visit the university in thirty years, came up to him and said "Dr. A, the earth's really old, isn't it?" he would die of happiness on the spot knowing that at least one person actually listened to him.

(This is the same class I was talking about in chat, where people got up and walked out when he tried to discuss the age of the Earth.)
 
c-no said:
Really? So, alien rednecks are in Scientology then?
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Yes despite the fact that Scientology these days deny it. L. Ron made up a bunch of bullshit, wrote many shitty books, and would often forget what he shoed-in for the personal mythology and often retconned what he said.
 
A-Stump said:
Yes despite the fact that Scientology these days deny it. L. Ron made up a bunch of bullshit, wrote many shitty books, and would often forget what he shoed-in for the personal mythology and often retconned what he said.
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I find it sincerely, genuinely hard to believe how anybody believes in Scientology. It's so obviously, demonstrably, flagrantly bullshit. All culled from the scribblings of a second-rate dime-store science fiction writer with acute megalomania and psychopathic tendencies. Apart from being born into it, from which it is nearly impossible to escape, I don't understand how anyone believes it. If you come willingly to Scientology as an adult who presumably ought to know better, you should lose your rights to vote and reproduce.

Same goes for Mormonism, except it has even more evidence of fraud. The guys who made it up had a looooong and glorious pedigree of scams that follow the same lines of the basic tenants of Mormonism.
 
Axiom said:
I find it sincerely, genuinely hard to believe how anybody believes in Scientology. It's so obviously, demonstrably, flagrantly bullshit. All culled from the scribblings of a second-rate dime-store science fiction writer with acute megalomania and psychopathic tendencies. Apart from being born into it, from which it is nearly impossible to escape, I don't understand how anyone believes it. If you come willingly to Scientology as an adult who presumably ought to know better, you should lose your rights to vote and reproduce.

Same goes for Mormonism, except it has even more evidence of fraud. The guys who made it up had a looooong and glorious pedigree of scams that follow the same lines of the basic tenants of Mormonism.
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Mormonism seems kinda kooky but scientology? Gimme a break. I dont get how those scientologist function really or why they do what they do. If they know their buying into BS, why would they think they can be cured by not taking modern medicine? And why do they engage in such coercive tactics? Why pressure Isaac Hayes to leave south park after that scientology episodes. It seems they all do really believe.. the question is why..
 
FifthColumn said:
Mormonism seems kinda kooky but scientology? Gimme a break. I dont get how those scientologist function really or why they do what they do. If they know their buying into BS, why would they think they can be cured by not taking modern medicine? And why do they engage in such coercive tactics? Why pressure Isaac Hayes to leave south park after that scientology episodes. It seems they all do really believe.. the question is why..
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Scientology is way crazier and scarier, but Mormonism is more flagrantly false. There are court documents and arrest records that show Joseph Smith pulling the same scam on other people ('I can find magic treasure in your land by reading magic plates in my hat!') many times.

But brainwashing is an extremely powerful thing. As is a cult mentality. That's how all religious cults have maintained. They prey on the weak and then make them think that the cult is the only solution to their problems.[/sneed]
 
What seperates a cult from a "normal" religion? Im not anti religion I just wonder where the cut off was. In 6th grade health class we were warned about "cults" but the teacher never exactly explained what a "cult" was.
 
There was a particular Christian nutcase my roommate got involved with. I'd poke my head in every once in a while and see wtf he was up to, but he was involved in a way similar to a CWC troll. Which is to say, he would ban anyone who even mentioned my roommate's name after a failed "debate" (more on that later). It was this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/user/fivethirty
While he is a specific lolcow, I don't think he justifies an entire thread and fits in pretty well with crazy christians in general.

He calls himself the "atheist killa" and is a lolcow in his own right because of his ridiculous narcissism. Notice the second set of videos he has: "GREATEST ATHLETE ALIVE" He is actually talented in football, but his personality (believing he's already perfect) makes him uncoachable. He claims to have this airtight logical argument that destroys atheism. It's a repackaged form of this that he calls the Elliot argument (Named after himself because narcissism). He's somewhat unique among fundies that he at least attempts to have some veneer of rationality. He said he would debate any atheist, but would always make up some sort of rule violation that the atheist supposedly did that would invalidate the debate. Then the debate is cancelled and they would be banned. He would then put up screenshot videos on youtube entitled "[insert name here] OWNED" with the text too small to actually read. As in screenshots of some perceived rule violation that got them lolBANNED, and that was owning them in a debate somehow.

My roommate challenged him to a debate and followed every rule to the letter. It still resulted in a ban and an OWNED video, but the justification was so thin that not even his usual supporters were on board with it. He ended up raging hard and deleting a bunch of stuff as a result. He also deleted a bunch of stuff because people made youtube poops of him, and he started putting all these ridiculous video filters and pitch shifting of his voice on what videos he did continue to post.

FifthColumn said:
What seperates a cult from a "normal" religion? Im not anti religion I just wonder where the cut off was. In 6th grade health class we were warned about "cults" but the teacher never exactly explained what a "cult" was.
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There's no distinctive line between cult and non cult. It's not so much about the specific beliefs, but how the organization/church is structured as a whole. Here's a link I found with a list of cult traits that distingush them from a normal religion.
http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm

Because cult like traits are about the structure of the organization than the specific beliefs, things that aren't explicitly religious, like North Korea, can be considered a cult.
 
FifthColumn said:
What seperates a cult from a "normal" religion? Im not anti religion I just wonder where the cut off was. In 6th grade health class we were warned about "cults" but the teacher never exactly explained what a "cult" was.
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I am quite anti-religion myself so I struggle not to say all religions are a cult and walk away. Sociologists classify a movement as a cult by some criteria, including:

Excessive zealousness in behaviour.
Not questioning the leader(s).
Dissent or questioning or doubt are discouraged and punished.
Elitism and a polarizing us-against-them mentality.
Preoccupation with acquiring new members.
Insisting that whatever is demanded of members and whatever the cult does is always justified.
Members are expected to commit most or all of their time to the cult.
Discouraged from interacting with anyone not in the cult, including family and friends.
Shunning of anyone who leaves.
Instilling the belief that there is no life beyond the group and nothing worth living for outside the group.
Instilling the belief that members will be worthless, useless, or otherwise incapable without the group and its practices.
Shaming, confessions, spying, excessive exhausting work, or other means of controlling members.
Control over member's lives outside the group, work and school and recreation and even their correspondence with others.

And probably others as well.

The biggest red flag is shunning and squashing of dissent. If the group wants to keep people from voicing doubt or interacting with anyone who doubts, questions, doesn't believe, etc... then odds are it has some culty practices and is possibly dangerous.
 
In fundie terms, cult= any religion/denomination that isn't their own.
 
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