Consoomers / Consoomer Culture - Because if it has a recogniseable brand on it, I’d buy it!

[Spez]

It’s Jews buying spics from the island like how the NBA is Jews buying niggers from the hood.

Hockey is the only watcheable sport

Okay buddy

 

[Ultrapenguin]

I'm willing to bet an individual gets more joy out of successfully growing a couple bell pepper plants than these people do out of a couple years worth of consuming.

Getting back on topic: For those who have had hobbies ruined by collectors, what is some of the most overpriced shit you have seen for sale?

Only consoomers' hobbies get ruined by collectors/speculators, and I don't think the consoomers complaining about it realize what they are.

In creative/active hobbies there are people who charge embarrassing amounts of money for dumb shit and there are people willing to pay them, like the post I made way back towards the beginning about boomer consumers and guitar, but nobody actually needs the overpriced dumb shit to do it. If anything artisan creative pursuits have become cheaper due to manufacturing technology that has made the entry-level tools/technology required way cheaper and of more consistent quality.

For non-consumptive pursuits, it's annoying and clownish to watch collectors on principle, but you can easily ignore it.

If collectors are able to ruin your hobbies, that necessarily means buying/obtaining things is a central pillar of your hobby, which means it's a consumerist hobby.
What are they going to do, increase prices so other people can't consume quite as liberally? Oh, that's a real tragedy. My heart goes out.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Also it sounds like their distribution system is just another form of Marvel capeshit gatekeeping, forcing you to purchase ancillary titles for forced exposure to other properties

That distribution form is known as an anthology magazine, something that existed before marvel and was (and still is in some places) employed in europe for a long time as well.

Manga are published chapter by chapter, not issue by issue. A single chaper isn't enough to cover a full purchase so they are bundled toogether. If you want to wait for an tome of a particular series you're able to, you just have to wait until the mangaka actually writes/draws enough of them to make one.

How have you never seen an anthology magazine in your life?

Same series, multiple artists:
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Same series, multiple artists:
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(Yes I know this isn't a fair comparison because the process is different, but you still see the point I'm trying to make here.)

Yeah that's the point, good example. Artists don't care about the thing they're forced to draw because they have no connection to it. They treat it as disposable because its just another paycheck to them, artistry be damned.

Just look at the manga, it makes far better use of images and angles by taking advantage of the shaped panel format instead of pretending this is a movie storyboard like sandman does.

Imo, the artist and the writers should either be the same person (as is the case with 99% of mangas) or be extremely good/close friends in constant communication (like ONE with murata).

If you want to write a comic without actually caring about the art then why are you even writing a comic instead of a book? Because of the lowered standards?

edit: made the comment less abrassive

 

[NoReturn]

That distribution form is known as an anthology magazine, something that existed before marvel and was (and still is in some places) employed in europe for a long time as well.

Manga are published chapter by chapter, not issue by issue. A single chaper isn't enough to cover a full purchase so they are bundled toogether. If you want to wait for an tome of a particular you're able to.

Ngl, only a retard (or a zoomer) would think magazines have anything to do with crossovers. How have you never seen an athology magazine in your life?

What is your point? That artists don't care about the thing they're forced to draw because they have no connection to it? I mean its literally what I said, artists treat it as disposable, they don't really care about the identity of the thing they're making as long as they get paid.

Psst. Not everyone who replies to you online is arguing with you. Sometimes people are supporting your point and why being so defensive you come across as abrasive.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Psst. Not everyone who replies to you online is arguing with you. Sometimes people are supporting your point and why being so defensive you come across as abrasive.

Because I'm tilted at the fact that he's comparing anthology magazines which predate marvel and DC and exist in europe to marvel and DC's crossover scam so I'm running on slightly higher gear than I should. I am sorry. I made the comment less abrasive.

 

[mr.moon1488]

What's horrifying is that you know LOTR is going to end up with a lot more entries itt when that shitty Amazon series launches.

Yes, I'm replying to myself, but only because I was right.

Edit:
Also, chicks can do soy face too

 

[Dieter Laser]

That distribution form is known as an anthology magazine, something that existed before marvel and was (and still is in some places) employed in europe for a long time as well.

Manga are published chapter by chapter, not issue by issue. A single chaper isn't enough to cover a full purchase so they are bundled toogether. If you want to wait for an tome of a particular series you're able to, you just have to wait until the mangaka actually writes/draws enough of them to make one.

How have you never seen an anthology magazine in your life?

Plenty of them, but never one that simply reprinted shit from other sources exclusively. Normally they are filled with unique content created for the anthology. I was trying to get some numbers bc the only sales numbers were for the collected editions where they are lucky to sell 1 million copies. So I was trying to find some sort of comparison.

It was a legit question, I could care less about manga to research too deeply and figured I’d ask.

Edit to avoid double posting - man, you know the new LotR is bad when they start putting forced ads for the show into the Amazon shopping app’s launch screen.

 

[Thiletonomics]

The International 2022 Battle Pass for DOTA 2 released today, and is the definition of obsession and consoomerism with this game, and Valve as a whole.

A DOTA 2 streamer literally streamed himself saying "BATTLE PASS" repeatedly, until it was released. He ended up saying "BATTLE PASS" almost 17,000 times during this stream.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Plenty of them, but never one that simply reprinted shit from other sources exclusively.

I'm confused, how do you think manga magazines work exactly?

They don't "reprint" anything, if you want to publish something you go to shonen jump, if you want to read an ongoing manga you go to shonen jump.

Tomes only come out after the actual manga is finished, tomes are the "reprint", not the magazine.

 

[Nicest Person on a Honda]

Only consoomers' hobbies get ruined by collectors/speculators, and I don't think the consoomers complaining about it realize what they are.

I disagree, many hobbies can be ruined. Not all collectors are consoomers. I don't want to make this thread even more plagued but there is a difference between the "ZOMG Supreme everything!" collectors and the people with a reasonable hobby.

In creative/active hobbies there are people who charge embarrassing amounts of money for dumb shit and there are people willing to pay them, like the post I made way back towards the beginning about boomer consumers and guitar, but nobody actually needs the overpriced dumb shit to do it. If anything artisan creative pursuits have become cheaper due to manufacturing technology that has made the entry-level tools/technology required way cheaper and of more consistent quality.

Ever hear of a stradivarius violin?

If collectors are able to ruin your hobbies, that necessarily means buying/obtaining things is a central pillar of your hobby, which means it's a consumerist hobby.
What are they going to do, increase prices so other people can't consume quite as liberally? Oh, that's a real tragedy. My heart goes out.

Respectfully, I disagree. What about people who collect to flip shit for kids? Like the assholes who buy and flip disney shit to try to shake down parents for $300 for a $60 backpack?

 

[Dieter Laser]

I'm confused, how do you think manga magazines work exactly?

They don't "reprint" anything, if you want to publish something you go to shonen jump, if you want to read an ongoing manga you go to shonen jump.

Tomes only come out after the actual manga is finished, tomes are the "reprint", not the magazine.

I assumed the reverse. It’s even worse and more consoomery than I thought, but I can’t blame them for going after that double dip money. Ty for explaining it for me.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

I assumed the reverse. It’s even worse and more consoomery than I thought, but I can’t blame them for going after that double dip money. Ty for explaining it for me.

You're being needleslly autistic. Manga is drawn chapter by a chapter, a single chapter isn't enough to get solo published, so they get published in anthology magazines until a manga gets enough chapters to warrant solo publishing as a tome.

Ontop of that the magazine gives independant artists exposure which helps discover up and coming stuff.

What did you want them to do? Sell single pages? Manga aren't industrialized to the same degree comics are a lot of them are passion projects drawn by single people, some of them can take years to finish.

 

[Game master arino]

American comics are designed by comitee and repeatedly republish the same shit over and over and over. Its why batman has 39 "First issues" made by 300 different people and why marvel had to kill off spiderman's entire character arc with one more day because it meant they couldn't milk it anymore if he actually grew as a character. Its also why we have 837 seperate spidermans. Originality and creativity are intentionally supressed due to being risky and nearly all comics are controlled by marvel or DC.

Shonen jump works by publishing different chapters from different mangas on each issue and seeing what sells. If you buy shonen jump this week for jojo 83 or whatever you're also going to be exposed to various other smaller projects that you might like giving them free exposure and giving their artists a chance to shine by being attached to a bigger project.

The distribution system inherently gives independant artists far more opportunity to flourish and make a name for themselves if they create something new that genuinely intrests people. Ontop of that most mangas are drawn and illustrated by one guy with a vision instead of a comitee aiming to please an algorithically calculated lowest common denominator.


No mater which way you slice it, mangas and their distribution system promotes creativity, innovation and quality over the american system which is a stagnant shitpit of recycled ideas and people who hate the medium.

tl;dr

Stay mad capeshitter.

But comics like that do exist, such as 2000AD.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

But comics like that do exist, such as 2000AD.

I don't get your point, I never claimed that anthology magazines don't exist in the west, in another comment I outright state that in europe they predate marvel and DC.

 

[Bionicle of War]

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Wait, what do they need menstrual blood for? Do I even want to know?

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Ever hear of a stradivarius violin?

There is simply no comparison between an electric guitar and a violin particularly when the point of the post was making fun of people buying an overpriced reproduction of a cheap guiter simply because it was the favorite guitar of a famous guitarist and the only reason it looked that way was because he played it so much it literally started falling apart, something the prospective buyers of these expensive reproductions most likely will never do.

Furthermore an electric guitar gets it's sound purely from the amp you hook it up to and the pick-ups and strings on the guitar, the actual materials making up the body neck and head of the guitar do not matter at all for an electric guitar. In a violin or an acoustic guitar the materials used and the way they are aged affect the tone of the sound to a significant degree, Stradivarius violins are made from a very specific wood with a very specific ring density which was aged and formed in a very specific way, the tone of a Stradivarius could theoretically be perfectly replicated but you'd either have to perform some serious scientific voodoo with advanced materials or you'd have to get lucky with excellent quality materials and a master craftsman.

I assumed the reverse. It’s even worse and more consoomery than I thought, but I can’t blame them for going after that double dip money. Ty for explaining it for me.

In all fairness Marvel and DC may see an uptick in sales if they started publishing their comics as anthologies and then allowing the authors and secondary publishers to reprint them as collected volumes since the single slip book or whatever the comics term for it is obviously isn't working. Back when those things were a couple pennies or a dime a piece and printed on cheap pulp paper that model worked but nowadays they need to change or perish. The reason I personally prefer the Jump model is that I can pick up a single issue of Jump magazine and get a smattering of different mangas, some of which I know and others I do not, and figure out which ones I like. Once I find one I like I can then either continue to buy issues of Jump in order to keep reading it as it comes out or I can elect to buy the collected volume later, alternatively I can do both but only hold onto the collected volumes so that I don't have hundreds or even thousands of issues of old magazines laying around to read the one or two comics that I like out of them, plus most collected volumes are a few hundred pages and so they're the same size and portability as your typical paperback novel.

Wait, what do they need menstrual blood for? Do I even want to know?

If you only knew how bad things really are.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

>over $100K in designer outfits
>not even made by Travis Scott himself



Apparently, people still do this kind of stuff.

 

[DJ Grelle]

Another one of those look what we get at work vids.
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Jesus Christ this is just an adult daycare. Also who the fuck thinks bringing hair tools for your workers is a good idea? Those vain assholes are going to be spending hours on their hair! Although most of them weren't hired to do any actual work it's still weird and really unprofessional.

These things are not adverts to come and work there for other women. These are adverts for the programming nerds of "we have attractive nerd-ish women, come work here maybe you' ll find someone "

 

[Andrew Neiman]

What's horrifying is that you know LOTR is going to end up with a lot more entries itt when that shitty Amazon series launches.

There was an eloquent opinion column by a Tolkien scholar in the NYT a few days ago on this topic: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/opinion/rings-of-power-amazon-tolkien.html

A highlight:

“The Rings of Power,” which will come out weekly after its two-episode premiere, is based primarily on only a few dozen pages in one of the historical appendices to “The Lord of the Rings,” meaning that almost the entire plot of the show has been created by Amazon Studios’ writers and showrunners. And there’s a huge gulf between Tolkien’s originality, moral sophistication and narrative subtlety and the culture of Hollywood in 2022 — the groupthink produced by the contemporary ecosystem of writers’ rooms, Twitter threads and focus groups. The writing that this dynamic is particularly good at producing — witty banter, arch references to contemporary issues, graphic and often sexualized violence, self-righteousness — is poorly suited to Middle-earth, a world with a multilayered history that eschews both tidy morality plays and blockbuster gore.

 

[Nicest Person on a Honda]

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>over $100K in designer outfits
>not even made by Travis Scott himself

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Apparently, people still do this kind of stuff.

"Collab" culture is fucking retarded. It is the same shit at double the price

Dior fanboys (fangirls? I don't know what Dior makes, I think handbags?) are just fucking dumb. They have the nerve to charge $10K for a 150cc vespa that looks like ass (Note: The MSRP on a 150cc Vespa on all their other current models is ~$5K-$6K as a base model, as scooters are designed to be cheap). Keep in mind the helmet and top case are extra. They are only available through dealers though, meaning that the markup is likely several times what a normal helmet and top case would go for, although they won't even publish the price.
Please keep in mind that a helmet is considered a consumable item, meaning that they really are not built to last. A helmet that has more than 5-7 years of use on the high end and more realistically 3-5 years of use is meant to be replaced as the EPS foam (the stuff that prevents your brain from painting the street, and prevents minor concussions from smaller crashes) wears out due to sweat, elements, and other shit. Since these helmets appear to be limited editions, that means that even if you ride safely, your expensive helmet won't match your expensive bike in a few years.

Ride in Style with the Christian Dior Vespa 946

Christian Dior lent its fashion sense to Vespa on a new 946, and the work became a special memory for the visionary behind the project.

manofmany.com

Vespa 946 Christian Dior

www.vespa.com

Keep in mind that underneath all the awful fake gold and Louis Vuitton ripoff designs, it is basically a Primavera or Sprint with upcharged parts. I love Vespas, but they have some of the worst collaboration projects. They add a little aluminum (read: Weight, and worse MPG) fuck slightly with the chassis (not enough to make a meaningful difference) then charge twice the price of an already high end good. Some of it is more acceptable, for example, the 946 (RED) is a charity bike that all benefits some HIV/AIDS charity. But most of the time it is a shitty colab.
The one that came after this was Justin Beiber, and it is even worse.

This $10,000 150cc scooter may appear to just be a Vespa Sprint, but it is actually slightly more aluminum and has an off-white paint job! This for some reason, doubles the MSRP as apparently the former teen hearthrob designed this himself. The "Features" advertised on the Vespa press release for both this and the Dior "colabs" include "features" that are actually required by law, for example, ABS brakes are mandatory on scooters in many of the markets that Vespa wants to sell in, that is not a feature that is a legal requirement. I don't live in europe so EU posters correct me, but I believe that ABS is required on all 125cc+ street legal scooters (not including dirtbikes for obvious reasons).

These 150cc scooters have a maximum speed of 61 MPH, making them illegal to ride on most North American highways. They require a special license to drive (motorcycle license) that only ~6% of the population has, and are easily stolen. These bikes are little more than posh versions of existing luxury goods which offer no more performance and more points of electronic failure.

I went a little off the rails, but the point is, some of this shit is peak CONSOOM.