#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Water-T]

I'm very glad these people in the industry took time out of their day to rage about a cover. Guess they got bored going after all those rapists that they were working with that were apparently going after all their female co-workers and decided this was more important to address. They stopped pretty fast too, guess it wasn't a big a deal as they were making it out to be

They stopped because they thought it was going to rout out all the non-ultra lefties....then it turned out that the majority of the guys getting MeToo-ed were from their own side. OOPS. Time to memoryhole the whole thing and find something to distract from this harsh truth!

 

[Stoneheart]

Nobody agrees to do a Red Sonja issue for pennies. They do agree to do a Red Sonja issue for pennies hoping they will do Batman or X-Men one day. So, he who controls Batman controls comics.

so they would have to invest a little more for good artists who would sell alot more. its a series able to sell well, so why not make a good comic?
Artists are everything, some pretty unknown artist made Alex de campi readable. Taarna is fine and the art is good. just combine that with a more mainstream title like red sonja and you have a good book that will make good money.

 

[Carmina Burana]

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Nick Barruci didn't "cuck". He made the smart business decision to keep talent rather than publish mediocre selling variant covers by artists few people outside of Ethans fan club have ever heard of.
Dynamite is not the "cuck" here, Ethan is.

Comicsgate has proven its nothing more than a screeching internet hate mob with absolutely no financial power. They have no ability to "move the needle" one way or the other they are strictly paypigs for Ethans bank account.

CG is blocked by every pro, blacklisted from every company, banned from every forum (including this one lmao).

Ethan could call for a mass refund of Dynamite but if it fails it proves he's impotent as well.

The SJW's have all the power in comics, CG only has the power to paypig for frog comics and throw money at whoever Ethan chooses to have on his show.

SJW's called Dynamites bluff, played a game of chicken and won. Ethan needed Dynamite way more than Dynamite needed Ethan and the frog comic cuck has been exposed. He has no more cards to play, no more tricks up his sleeve.

You're missing the point. Barrucci made his choice when he approved the cover campaign. Bending over for the SJW's gets him nothing. They're not going to buy from him because they'll never forgive him. (If you think they will, just ask any of the usual leftist assholes on twitter how many titles they buy from Antarctic.)

The cover was crap, but once you make the deal to sell it, you promote it & you see it through like a man. All he did was appease a bunch of people who'll hate him for the rest of his life regardless. As evidence of how little SJW's will spend on his stuff, I give you the Frank Cho Red Sonja variant:
It's got 37 backers. Cho put up one of those gay "Artists against Fascism" profile pics on Facebook, he's anti-guns, & far left, but he draws big tits, so they hate him.

I'd be surprised if Dynamite lasts another year at this point.

 

[Stoneheart]

So there are some pretty terrific creators in ComicsGate, and also just garage band level creators who don't do as well. But everyone is allowed to make a comic book.

I dont see alot of good artists working in and for comics gate. why should i pay 20$+ shipping for a meh comic to help some cause that isnt realy clear?
i can buy better stuff for less money. i dont know if the US is just fucked beyond repair or why they dont have a good indy comic industrie.

 

[FROG]

I dont see alot of good artists working in and for comics gate. why should i pay 20$+ shipping for a meh comic to help some cause that isnt realy clear?
i can buy better stuff for less money. i dont know if the US is just fucked beyond repair or why they dont have a good indy comic industrie.

I think we've got a lot of fantastic artists. Kelsey Shannon, Caanan White, EJ Morges, Karl Stephan, Shane Davis, Dan Fraga, Jon Malin, Ken Rocafort, Ody, on and on.

The cause is clear, just to help create an avenue for comic books to exist and profit outside of the mainstream. But obviously only buy the stuff you like, if you like any of it at all. If you don't, a cause isn't enough of a reason.

 

[Detrogen]

He finally did it. ComicTropes finally committed to going full SJW.

 

[jspit]

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Nick Barruci didn't "cuck". He made the smart business decision to keep talent rather than publish mediocre selling variant covers by artists few people outside of Ethans fan club have ever heard of.
Dynamite is not the "cuck" here, Ethan is.

Comicsgate has proven its nothing more than a screeching internet hate mob with absolutely no financial power. They have no ability to "move the needle" one way or the other they are strictly paypigs for Ethans bank account.

CG is blocked by every pro, blacklisted from every company, banned from every forum (including this one lmao).

Ethan could call for a mass refund of Dynamite but if it fails it proves he's impotent as well.

The SJW's have all the power in comics, CG only has the power to paypig for frog comics and throw money at whoever Ethan chooses to have on his show.

SJW's called Dynamites bluff, played a game of chicken and won. Ethan needed Dynamite way more than Dynamite needed Ethan and the frog comic cuck has been exposed. He has no more cards to play, no more tricks up his sleeve.

You really expect them to win and not to gravedance? Comicsgate is dead as fuck. They just screwed Ethan and his friends out of TONS of money and EVS is too cucked to strike back.

I just disagree. What talent? Mark Russell is humanoid levels of bad and he's the second best writer there after Priest. There is better talent in CG and out of it than the mainstream pros who will deign to work for Dynamite.

The CG audience is dumb, loud, and easily descends into rage. But FROG and company would have made them more money.

I expect them to realize that He'll make the same amount regardless of Dynamite because pay piggies were there for him, not Vampirella.

I think we've got a lot of fantastic artists. Kelsey Shannon, Caanan White, EJ Morges, Karl Stephan, Shane Davis, Dan Fraga, Jon Malin, Ken Rocafort, Ody, on and on.

The cause is clear, just to help create an avenue for comic books to exist and profit outside of the mainstream. But obviously only buy the stuff you like, if you like any of it at all. If you don't, a cause isn't enough of a reason.

Not Mitch Breitweiser or Billy Tucci?

You're missing the point. Barrucci made his choice when he approved the cover campaign. Bending over for the SJW's gets him nothing. They're not going to buy from him because they'll never forgive him. (If you think they will, just ask any of the usual leftist assholes on twitter how many titles they buy from Antarctic.)

The cover was crap, but once you make the deal to sell it, you promote it & you see it through like a man. All he did was appease a bunch of people who'll hate him for the rest of his life regardless. As evidence of how little SJW's will spend on his stuff, I give you the Frank Cho Red Sonja variant: View attachment 1460667
It's got 37 backers. Cho put up one of those gay "Artists against Fascism" profile pics on Facebook, he's anti-guns, & far left, but he draws big tits, so they hate him.

I'd be surprised if Dynamite lasts another year at this point.

This guy gets it. In a shrunken market, pay piggies matter. Plus, the people making the stink weren't majority consumers. Oh some were. Have to put that in there because bad actors will pull the "I bought one miniseries from you last year". Most of them were artists and writers. This, like current CG is not about the buying public, its a slap fight between creatives. Dynamite won't disappear, but they just lost the chance to leap into the 2nd tier of publishing. Long term, that could mean down sizing.

so they would have to invest a little more for good artists who would sell alot more. its a series able to sell well, so why not make a good comic?
Artists are everything, some pretty unknown artist made Alex de campi readable. Taarna is fine and the art is good. just combine that with a more mainstream title like red sonja and you have a good book that will make good money.

There is a middle ground between the outrageous dollar per page that CG extracts from pay piggies and the insulting quality per dollar that Dynamite provides.

You should be able to get good talent for four dollars an issue. Do away with the five or six Vampi series, you've damaged the brand with Kate Leth and Gail Simone. One book with Priest, who is not the person to fix Vampirella but is an upgrade. Get a solid b artist.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Is CriticalBlast.com relevant?

"We do support Dynamite Comics, who made what we are sure they felt was the best business decision for the company. Whether we agree that this was true is irrelevant.

However, we can do more than that. We can take a stance agaisn the abject immorality of the intolerant mob.

Effective immediately, it is Critical Blast's editorial policy that, until the industry undergoes a sea change, we will not be covering or promoting material created by or contributed to by those professionals who engaged in these fascist tactics, including but not limited to: Kwanza Osajyefo; Mark Russell; Tess Fowler; Magdalene Visaggio; Tamra Bonvillain; Matt Miner; and others. PDFs submitted for review will be deleted up on receipt, and floppies will be returned to the publishers unread."

http://www.criticalblast.com/articles/2020/07/19/defused-dynamite-cancels-crowdfunding-project-after-pros-turn-nasty

 

[SmugAutist]

Checking up after months of ignoring this. Is it wrong for me to just not care at this point? Spending these last months away from this bs I've been re-reading a lot of 60s-2000s stuff and there's so much of it that I'll probably never be able to finish it in my lifetime, and that's only American capeshit. I haven't even started reading the French stuff and there's also manga. Does it really matter that Wolverine is a fag now when nobody is buying this shit? How effective is propaganda when the audience isn't there? This industry is in its death throes and most of it will not survive the Kung-flu. Fuck, even DC and Marvel are destined to close if Warner and Disney are hit hard enough. I've be saddened if not for the fact that there's a whole history of stuff we can read instead of sperging over the internet for what talentless hack gets to write the millionth Frank Miller Daredevil ripoff.

This is just pure faggotry. It reminds me of that scene from The Pianist when some guy is eating slop from the floor after fighting for it with an old woman. That's what this is: middle-aged manbabies much older than I am fighting each other for scraps until the moment comes when it all collapses, I haven't bothered with this autism for months and after just one glance at this latest drama-whoring, I'm more than willing to not bother again.

 

[Stoneheart]

I think we've got a lot of fantastic artists. Kelsey Shannon, Caanan White, EJ Morges, Karl Stephan, Shane Davis, Dan Fraga, Jon Malin, Ken Rocafort, Ody, on and on.

most of them lack the talent to put out good stuff on their own. Malin is the worst one. his art turned to shit the minute he left the ratrace and he makes everything he touches worse.

The cause is clear, just to help create an avenue for comic books to exist and profit outside of the mainstream.

you cant create an avenue for comics to exist and profit outside of the mainstream, there arent enough comics shops around and they arent in other shops anymore.
nobody makes profit with comics, and you should know that. you need to sell a shitton of comics to turn a profit and no series can do that anymore.
its all just to keep the IP fresh in some way and maybe make some money with toys and collections.

The GN market is healthy and you can make profit if you do your work. but that market is open to all of those creators anyway, its just hard work and playing your grunts to grift money for shit products isnt...

In a shrunken market, pay piggies matter.

the comics market is not shrunken, its dead.

 

[FROG]

most of them lack the talent to put out good stuff on their own. Malin is the worst one. his art turned to shit the minute he left the ratrace and he makes everything he touches worse.


you cant create an avenue for comics to exist and profit outside of the mainstream, there arent enough comics shops around and they arent in other shops anymore.
nobody makes profit with comics, and you should know that. you need to sell a shitton of comics to turn a profit and no series can do that anymore.
its all just to keep the IP fresh in some way and maybe make some money with toys and collections.

The GN market is healthy and you can make profit if you do your work. but that market is open to all of those creators anyway, its just hard work and playing your grunts to grift money for shit products isnt...



the comics market is not shrunken, its dead.

I disagree about Malin, and Graveyard Shift 2 was a lot of fun.

We're still making money. Direct to consumer works, as long as the campaigns stay at a reasonable size so that fulfillment is doable. Bad comics
aren't going to stick around for very long, but the good ones will, and as long as crowdfunding is open to us, we'll thrive.

 

[A nameless trool]

The entire comics industry is mostly "meh" artists. Most of YouTube is "meh" Youtubers. Most of everything is "meh."

ComicsGate is to the comics industry what YouTube is to Hollywood. It's more accessible to everyone, there's more freedom. It's messier, but more interesting. So there are some pretty terrific creators in ComicsGate, and also just garage band level creators who don't do as well. But everyone is allowed to make a comic book.



That's an interesting hot take.

Zack called up around 5 PM and woke me to let me know this news. Disgusted.

We both knew this was coming, because Nick was still very naive to SJWs, even though he was starting to become red-pilled to them. He didn't understand how ruthless they are, and how vulnerable he is to them.

Nick thought he'd handle the Gail Simones and Mark Russells on a people level, the talent he works with. He knew, and they know, they need DYNAMITE more than he needs them. He's a watering hole for C-level mainstream talent, and they can't just walk away from him.

But he can't do the same thing when randoms are attacking his licenses.

I called Nick up, and he was miserable, sounded drunk but denied he was. And we talked about the reality of all of this.

ComicsGate wasn't profiting much from DYNAMITE financially, it was the other way around. Nick was making a good deal of money doing covers with us and planning to produce other stuff. He was licensing CYBERFROG merch, and was planning to do stuff with all of us.

He still wanted to. Covertly.

The comic book industry is in deep, deep decline, and he has a staff of employees to pay on profits from Gail Simone comics that sell 1500 copies. He needed us to stay afloat. I needed him to help teach me to produce comics with gimmick covers and other stuff. It was a good exchange.

But he's compromised himself and we can't do that stuff anymore. I think it'll be extremely bad for his company that this happened. All over promoting Cecil publicly. Tsk.

Optics are awful, we took a big Loss publicly. But we'll be okay.

To be fair Nick could jump to CG friendly. Kick those C-grade writers and get Chuck Dixon to do Red Sonja or Death Defying Devil and more blacklisted writers/artists to do work
He can get talented artists from South America, South Asia and South Europe who will work for cheap and still be able to make a living out of an issue.
He can distribute reprints of CG comics through Diamond.

I guess his problem is:
a) bad press will cause problem with his licenses.
b) he gains a good ammount of money from variant covers sold at conventions* by well knows artists

*which explains why he relies on youtubers atm

Anyway, he made two bad choices and has to live with the consequences
EDIT:

"The Top Talent was like [obvious edit which is so UnZack] a who's who of who cares. It was also who's who of literally who"
Zack got em!

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Is CriticalBlast.com relevant?

No.

 

[Analog Devolved]

The entire comics industry is mostly "meh" artists. Most of YouTube is "meh" Youtubers. Most of everything is "meh."

ComicsGate is to the comics industry what YouTube is to Hollywood. It's more accessible to everyone, there's more freedom. It's messier, but more interesting. So there are some pretty terrific creators in ComicsGate, and also just garage band level creators who don't do as well. But everyone is allowed to make a comic book.



That's an interesting hot take.

Zack called up around 5 PM and woke me to let me know this news. Disgusted.

We both knew this was coming, because Nick was still very naive to SJWs, even though he was starting to become red-pilled to them. He didn't understand how ruthless they are, and how vulnerable he is to them.

Nick thought he'd handle the Gail Simones and Mark Russells on a people level, the talent he works with. He knew, and they know, they need DYNAMITE more than he needs them. He's a watering hole for C-level mainstream talent, and they can't just walk away from him.

But he can't do the same thing when randoms are attacking his licenses.

I called Nick up, and he was miserable, sounded drunk but denied he was. And we talked about the reality of all of this.

ComicsGate wasn't profiting much from DYNAMITE financially, it was the other way around. Nick was making a good deal of money doing covers with us and planning to produce other stuff. He was licensing CYBERFROG merch, and was planning to do stuff with all of us.

He still wanted to. Covertly.

The comic book industry is in deep, deep decline, and he has a staff of employees to pay on profits from Gail Simone comics that sell 1500 copies. He needed us to stay afloat. I needed him to help teach me to produce comics with gimmick covers and other stuff. It was a good exchange.

But he's compromised himself and we can't do that stuff anymore. I think it'll be extremely bad for his company that this happened. All over promoting Cecil publicly. Tsk.

Optics are awful, we took a big Loss publicly. But we'll be okay.

"We took a big loss publicly" -EVS

Bigger than you think chief.
This is after losing almost $8k in backers in one day.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Nice see to nick "the cg shill wrong about the vic case" lawyer to give his fence sitting take. Cg has a proven history of gayops, late books, canceled books and gay paypigs funding books they'll probably never get. I guess he needs to suck the frog until his book with heath comes out.

So there are some pretty terrific creators in ComicsGate

Terrific? Are you sure about that? After multiple late books. Too bad you're probably not going to make another mill without dynamite's help.

 

[Analog Devolved]

Nice to nick "the cg shill wrong about the vic case" lawyer to give his fence sitting take. Cg has a proven history of gayops, late books, canceled books and gay paypigs funding books they'll probably never get. I guess he needs to suck the frog until his book with heath comes out.




Terrific? Are you sure about that? After multiple late books. Too bad you're probably not going to make another mill without dynamite's help.

Dynamites indiegogo account has been suspended and all of their campaigns are now "under review" by the trust and safety team.

Apparently IGG doesn't like losing out on thousands of dollars in revenue in ONE DAY because Nick Barruci is a cucked faggot.

I looked it up and this does not bode well for Dynamite. It looks like they violated the TOS by canceling the Cecil campaign and may be permabanned from the platform.

 

[jspit]

To be fair Nick could jump to CG friendly. Kick those C-grade writers and get Chuck Dixon to do Red Sonja or Death Defying Devil and more blacklisted writers/artists to do work
He can get talented artists from South America, South Asia and South Europe who will work for cheap and still be able to make a living out of an issue.
He can distribute reprints of CG comics through Diamond.

I guess his problem is:
a) bad press will cause problem with his licenses.
b) he gains a good ammount of money from variant covers sold at conventions* by well knows artists

*which explains why he relies on youtubers atm

Anyway, he made two bad choices and has to live with the consequences

I think the variant cover stuff is drying up, especially with conventions dying down.

First, lot of talk about licensing issues.

Owns outright.

Dynamite bought Vampirella from Harris. It owns the character outright

Dynamite Entertainment Acquires Vampirella

The publisher behind Red Sonja, The Green Hornet and other classic properties acquires the '70s vampire vixen lock, stock and barrel from its longtime home of Harris Publications with plans for future comics.

www.cbr.com

Chaos characters, fuck nick for that btb

Black bat.

Licenses

James Bond
Shadow
Green Hornet.
Red Sonja, which is a legal quagmire I could spend a whole post on...
Lone Ranger
The Boys

public domain

Miss Fury and the superpowers crew, though I think they own their rendition and The Project characters appear to be in an LLC, likely a joint split with Ross, however, those characters themselves are public domain, such as the terror.

Chron is useless post COVID, but before that, there best floppy was Vampirella with sales in the high teens and the Chaos character in a crossover with Sonja. By comparison, licensed books like Bond only shipped 5,000 copies on issue 1!

In trades the Boys led with sales in the hundreds. With a hit TV show in its first season. With Walking Dead, we've seen that these sales start to decline after the show peaks. So...make of that what you will.

Overall, the core of Dynamite is Vampirella and The Boys right now. The Boys has a shelf life and they own Vampi outright.

 

[Analog Devolved]

Twitter reports automatic refunds of Miss Fury and other campaigns are being processed right now.
Dynamite committed suicide.
Someone check on @FROG
Ethan, babe, call Barruci and tell him not to jump into the hudson.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Dynamites indiegogo account has been suspended and all of their campaigns are now "under review" by the trust and safety team.

Apparently IGG doesn't like losing out on thousands of dollars in revenue in ONE DAY because Nick Barruci is a cucked faggot.

I think it's dumb they would do that, if that's the case and they should do the same for sgm for cucking doug's cover.

 

[Carmina Burana]

A tragicomedy in 3 acts.

This was Mindy Wheeler, artist of a dreadful Vampirella variant cover, earlier today:



She wasn't too upset about what happened to Cecil. Didn't he deserve it after all? All those EVS folk are garbage people anyway. Mindy--supposedly a JDA-type conservative--has her principles, (& if you don't like them, she has other principles.)

But, emboldened by Nick Barrucci agreeing to be their bitch, the SJW's pressed their advantage:

Nick's probably still lubed up from last night anyway, so today's fucking will be quicker and easier, no doubt.

And as if on cue:


Edited as I'm typing--is Dynamite completely off Indiegogo? That's a shame....