Opinion College Should Be More Like Prison

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College Should Be More Like Prison​

The inmates I teach are serious, disciplined, hard-working students, eager to engage with ideas.​


By Brooke Allen
March 5, 2023 11:56 am ET

Many of us who care deeply about education in the humanities can only feel despair at the state of our institutions of “higher” learning. Enrollment in these subjects is plummeting, and students who take literature and history classes often come in with rudimentary ideas about the disciplines. Interviewed in a recent New Yorker article, Prof. James Shapiro of Columbia said teaching “Middlemarch” to today’s college students is like landing a 747 on a rural airstrip. Technology such as messaging apps, digital crib sheets and ChatGPT, which will write essays on demand, has created a culture of casual cheating.

Never have I been more grateful to teach where I do: at a men’s maximum-security prison. My students there, enrolled in a for-credit college program, provide a sharp contrast with contemporary undergraduates. These men are highly motivated and hard-working. They tend to read each assignment two or three times before coming to class and take notes as well. Some of them have been incarcerated for 20 or 30 years and have been reading books all that time. They would hold their own in any graduate seminar. That they have had rough experiences out in the real world means they are less liable to fall prey to facile ideologies. A large proportion of them are black and Latino, and while they may not like David Hume’s or Thomas Jefferson’s ideas on race, they want to read those authors anyway. They want, in short, to be a part of the centuries-long conversation that makes up our civilization. The classes are often the most interesting part of these men’s prison lives. In some cases, they are the only interesting part.

Best of all from my selfish point of view as an educator, these students have no access to cellphones or the internet. Cyber-cheating, even assuming they wanted to indulge in it, is impossible. But more important, they have retained their attention spans, while those of modern college students have been destroyed by their dependence on smartphones. My friends who teach at Harvard tell me administrators have advised them to change topics or activities several times in each class meeting because the students simply can’t focus for that long.

My students at the prison sit through a 2½-hour class without any loss of focus. They don’t yawn or take bathroom breaks. I have taught classes on the Enlightenment, the Renaissance, Romanticism, George Orwell, South Asian fiction. We’ve done seminars on Adam Smith and Alexis de Tocqueville. Together we have read Montaigne, Rousseau, Keats, Erasmus, Locke, Montesquieu, Wollstonecraft, Byron, Goethe, Petrarch, Rabelais, Saadat Hasan Manto, Rohinton Mistry. The students write essays in longhand; during the pandemic I taught a correspondence class via snail mail. Some of them do read “Middlemarch,” and their teacher finds the experience far more gratifying than trying to land a 747 on a rural airstrip. We encourage them to treat different societies in history as experiments in time travel, where they try to understand the mores of particular eras as though from the inside. They are very open to that approach, unlike university students, who tend see the past only as one long undifferentiated era of grievous unenlightenment: not just one damn thing after another, but one damn oppressive thing after another.

Like students at elite institutions, most of my incarcerated scholars are politically liberal. Unlike them, many are religious, and that proves surprisingly enriching in studying these authors, who would have been amazed to know they would one day be read by classrooms full of atheists. One of my more devout students, a Protestant who converted to Islam, was so distressed by Voltaire’s disrespect for established creeds that he had to be comforted by other class members. They informed him that he was exactly the sort of person Voltaire was aiming his polemic at, and therefore he could understand the force of it in a way his irreligious peers couldn’t.

My hours at the prison are rich in such moments. In many ways, it is the Platonic ideal of teaching, what teaching once was. No faculty meetings, no soul-deadening committee work, no bloated and overbearing administration. No electronics, no students whining about grades. Quite a few of our students are serving life sentences and will never be able to make use of their hard-won college credits. No student debt, no ideological intolerance, no religious tests—whoops, I mean mandatory “diversity” statements. And in our courteous, laughter-filled classroom there is none of the “toxic environment” that my friends in the academy complain about, and that I experienced during my own college teaching career.

If prison inmates, many of whom have committed violent crimes, can pay close attention for a couple of hours, put aside their political and personal differences, support one another’s academic efforts, write eloquent essays without the aid of technology and get through a school year without cheating, is it too much to ask university students to do the same? Or ask professors to try to create an atmosphere where these habits can prevail? Perhaps prison education can serve as a model of how to return to true learning and intellectual exchange.

Ms. Allen reviews books and film for the Hudson Review, the New Criterion and other publications.

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This ditzy bitch is gonna get psychologically manipulated into smuggling drugs and cellphones into a prison one day, then sit there when she gets caught and scream "MUH DINDUS!"

No fucking shit they pay attention in your class, lady - half of them are trying to get time cut off their sentence or are trying to look good for the parole board, the other half are blowing smoke up your ass as much as they can, so one day they can manipulate you into to doing "favors" for them.
are you talking from actual experience or are you just riffing off pop culture presentations of prison? because for multiple reasons, in the US, no (the UK and Canada are very different). prison teachers can't smuggle shit, they're under too much scrunity (in the US). And the prisoners pursuing education really value it, frequently for its own sake, and they don't want to lose it.
 
are you talking from actual experience or are you just riffing off pop culture presentations of prison? because for multiple reasons, in the US, no (the UK and Canada are very different). prison teachers can't smuggle shit, they're under too much scrunity (in the US). And the prisoners pursuing education really value it, frequently for its own sake, and they don't want to lose it.
She's broadcasting that she's a mark for getting turned into a mule. This is an actual thing in prisons. It's the same reason why some prisoners try to seduce female prison guards or string along those pickme girls who write to prisoners. They find someone who they know can fall through the security cracks and is emotionally vulnerable, then eventually they have them smuggle things in from the outside, usually the mark not having a clue as to what exactly they're carrying in.
 
I can only guess at which prison activities they want to bring to their frathouse.
 
She's broadcasting that she's a mark for getting turned into a mule. This is an actual thing in prisons. It's the same reason why some prisoners try to seduce female prison guards or string along those pickme girls who write to prisoners. They find someone who they know can fall through the security cracks and is emotionally vulnerable, then eventually they have them smuggle things in from the outside, usually the mark not having a clue as to what exactly they're carrying in.
ok so you don't know what you're talking about.

prison teachers (in the US) are not like the guards. They are under much more scrutinity and they aren't part of the guards' social networks.
 
She's broadcasting that she's a mark for getting turned into a mule. This is an actual thing in prisons. It's the same reason why some prisoners try to seduce female prison guards or string along those pickme girls who write to prisoners. They find someone who they know can fall through the security cracks and is emotionally vulnerable, then eventually they have them smuggle things in from the outside, usually the mark not having a clue as to what exactly they're carrying in.

Yeah, I have to agree with this. Some idiots broadcast their vulnerabilities by showing up in full makeup or stopping for chats with every idiot that compliments their sports shirt, and this one just has this wide, blaring insecurity complex about teaching english lit looking for a Dead Poets Society moment. Convicts have 24 hours a day to figure out the next way to get what they want out of people working in facilities; it really comes down more to 'will this person risk their job or freedom for literal and metaphorical ass pats' than any one approach.

ok so you don't know what you're talking about.

prison teachers (in the US) are not like the guards. They are under much more scrutinity and they aren't part of the guards' social networks.

This, however, is bullshit. There's a wide amount of variance between different levels of incarceration and different specific systems, as well as the individual culture of various facilities. Trying to avoid a PL, but even in some serious hXc security places where they take it seriously not just as a matter of personal safety but a point of professional pride there's wide vulnerabilities. Especially with modern drugs like the various synthetic chemicals and suboxone. Enough contraband to fit inside one gum wrapper out of the 15 in the pack is worth cons spending weeks and months getting vulnerable for Voltaire, especially when they're in for 20+ years.
 
are you talking from actual experience or are you just riffing off pop culture presentations of prison? because for multiple reasons, in the US, no (the UK and Canada are very different). prison teachers can't smuggle shit, they're under too much scrunity (in the US). And the prisoners pursuing education really value it, frequently for its own sake, and they don't want to lose it.
Plus for that matter, who in their right mind wouldn't get involved in these programs to reduce time off their sentence or improve their chance at parole? The ones who work to get out of prison are the ones who have the best chance at rehabilitation.
 
Plus for that matter, who in their right mind wouldn't get involved in these programs to reduce time off their sentence or improve their chance at parole? The ones who work to get out of prison are the ones who have the best chance at rehabilitation.
yes and the prisoners who are able do this are the polar opposites of the dark triad manipulators.
 
I have to agree, or at least run it like a military school. I graduated college right before they went completely off the rails, and even then some of the students were really lazy, cheating was easy, and one class in particular almost changed the course material because some student complained about being triggered. College is even worse now and cheating is way easier. It makes you wonder why even go to college at all other than to get a degree that allows you to get an entry level position somewhere.

I don't know how this would work in practice though. How could you keep students off of smart phones and away from computers in this day and age, other than it being a legit prison?
 
This, however, is bullshit. There's a wide amount of variance between different levels of incarceration and different specific systems, as well as the individual culture of various facilities. Trying to avoid a PL, but even in some serious hXc security places where they take it seriously not just as a matter of personal safety but a point of professional pride there's wide vulnerabilities. Especially with modern drugs like the various synthetic chemicals and suboxone. Enough contraband to fit inside one gum wrapper out of the 15 in the pack is worth cons spending weeks and months getting vulnerable for Voltaire, especially when they're in for 20+ years.
no, you're bullshit.

this is specifically about *prison teachers* and the claim that they are vulnerable to manipulation to bring drugs inside. this is something that happens with bizarre frequency in the UK for reasons I cannot explain because I don't know shit about the UK prison system. It basically never happens in the US.

it's guards smuggling contraband, and sometimes medical staff. it's not teachers.
 
no, you're bullshit.

this is specifically about *prison teachers* and the claim that they are vulnerable to manipulation to bring drugs inside. this is something that happens with bizarre frequency in the UK for reasons I cannot explain because I don't know shit about the UK prison system. It basically never happens in the US.

it's guards smuggling contraband, and sometimes medical staff. it's not teachers.


So what are these extreme sanctions placed on teachers, counselors, etc, that medical and administrative and security aren't subject to? Again, I've seen very extreme, no-bullshit security measures but none of them have gone as far as a strip frisk for teachers which is what would've stopped the more recent teacher-involved scandals I've heard from the grapevine. About the only other thing that would've stopped those incidents from happening would've been a person by person full pocket and bag and personal item inventory - which is the kind of thing that really does come down to checking individual sticks of gum as mentioned.
 
This is handwaving a lot of the facts.
Maybe focus on getting students involved who want to be there instead of those purely there for a degree so they can get a job. At the end of the day, students know they don't need to learn to get the degree, they just need passing grades.
Those who are there for an actual education are paying attention.

Alternatively, make your course require paying attention to do well. Walk into an upper-level engineering course and you'll find most students are paying attention and taking notes even if they know the material isn't going to be relevant ever again. They're usually in too deep and all in at that point.
 
So what are these extreme sanctions placed on teachers, counselors, etc, that medical and administrative and security aren't subject to? Again, I've seen very extreme, no-bullshit security measures but none of them have gone as far as a strip frisk for teachers which is what would've stopped the more recent teacher-involved scandals I've heard from the grapevine. About the only other thing that would've stopped those incidents from happening would've been a person by person full pocket and bag and personal item inventory - which is the kind of thing that really does come down to checking individual sticks of gum as mentioned.

differences between teachers and medical/psychiatric staff:

- teachers aren't regular employees. They're contracted semester by semester and class by class.
- unlike other staff, they work alone and unlike other staff there is very little opportunity for individual relationships to develop with prisoners.
- they don't have access to scrips

you're hearing this from the grapevine but you can't show any US proof cause it's so rare. unlike the UK where it happens a weird amount and there are news stories.
 
Simply a matter of self-discipline. If you have it, you can do almost anything. But you have to understand, 'If it is to be, it's up to me." Many do, some don't. Many still work their way through school, fully or partially. Those who have everything handed to them tend to fall apart like fat in the pan in the face of adversity. If you aren't willing to put out the effort, you get what you deserve.
 
College should not be Co-Ed; in fact school in general should separate the sexes after age 12. Men teach men, women teach women. Cell phones connected to a network should, like pistols, be only available to purchase and use unsupervised after age 21. So many problems solved.
 
College should not be Co-Ed; in fact school in general should separate the sexes after age 12. Men teach men, women teach women. Cell phones connected to a network should, like pistols, be only available to purchase and use unsupervised after age 21. So many problems solved.
Let me guess, school uniforms too? Go back to Nazi Germany where you belong.
 
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