🦊 Furry Closed Species - Pay $500 to draw a bedazzled fox

[BillyGoat2]

>People are selling this shit at $500 - $1000 for what is essentially a pisspoor attempt to sketch something
>Art students are slaving away at the Mcdonalds and the KFC because their education gave them fuck all

Furfags have way too much spendable income, that's the only thing that explains this shit

not having much of a social life allows for more frivolous spending on art instead of drinks with the boys.

 

[Heat O'Brien]

Here's a journal that was posted by the person who bought that 20k Grem.

I never knew the context behind why that person paid that much, just thought they were way too into this shit.
I actually feel quite bad for that guy, can't even make the money back trying to sell his other characters because of the species ban. And fuck the creator for still going through with all that shit even after finding out the buyer was fucked in the head at the time, what a scummy move

 

[Lapis Lazuli]

So, I was curious, and searched up "Closed Species" in deviantArt. Turns out there's a whole group dedicated to showcasin' em.

Closed-Species DeviantArt Gallery

www.deviantart.com

And, some of these are the peak of creativity right here, lemme tell ya.

Spoiler: Literally just Elementals.

Spoiler: Rabbit-People with eyes in their ears

Spoiler: Just TV-Heads with animal features

A common theme I'm seeing with closed species is the fact they're not creative enough to be something of its own. The reason why people use species from popular mediums is because those species are unique enough to stand out on their own, people can recognize them for being "iconic". People are more likely to make a character from a species if it has its own lore, a world, and story with it. But most of them don't besides a paragraph or two, and with info like "fun facts about __!" rather than "why is this species important and why should I care about it?"

 

[Finrod Felagund]

A common theme I'm seeing with closed species is the fact they're not creative enough to be something of its own. The reason why people use species from popular mediums is because those species are unique enough to stand out on their own, people can recognize them for being "iconic". People are more likely to make a character from a species if it has its own lore, a world, and story with it. But most of them don't besides a paragraph or two, and with info like "fun facts about __!" rather than "why is this species important and why should I care about it?"

There's also the fact that there has been a lot of budding creators hopping on the bandwagon creating """original donut steel""" adoptables that don't seem to have any sort of that novelty or deep lore and instead just slap the closed species label and call it a day. I agree most with the last sentence, why should people care about it? If you look at the rest of the closed species group gallery you'll notice there are most """"species"""" either carry the same traits or have the same body or based off of very generic animal species/folklore creatures. In what aspect should I care about a bunch of adoptables that have generic features and have no solid background whatsoever that makes them them? Sure ideas are free and cheap but the lack of creative expression to make them unique in their own right can already kill the species once it's released to the public realm of the internet.

Anyway palate cleanser: here's some balloon-eating, totally-not-like-Mimikyu clown ghosts.

 

[Heidegger]

I was searching around Toyhou.se for some odd/disgusting closed species, mostly to see if there was anything worth mentioning and I happened to find an artist by the name of Snoberry. Searched the farms and seen there wasn't any info on this person so here we go.

Snoberry (deviant art) (Website) is the owner of an astonishing 19 separate closed species. Most being cats or dogs with random food or items on the sides of their head or tails. A full list can be found on this page of their website (I don't feel like uploading 19 images under a spoiler).

At first Snoberry didn't seem too interesting, outside of the 19 different closed species. You could purchase a make your own ticket from their website for 11 dollars which isn't bad compared to most closed species. Their TOS was also pretty par for the course, including having to have your MOY approved by Sno and if you didn't make the changes they mandate you can have your MOY/character revoked (Note they make no mention of a refund). It's gross, but nothing out of the ordinary.

Then I found a topic on the Toyhou.se forums by user yourMeowjesty detailing a very interesting situation where they bought a character they were going to co-own with another user, only for said other user to lie to staff and claim the character was stolen from them and for Meowjesty being issued a warning. Now unable to use/own the character they purchased Meowjesty issued a charge back.

This is where things get juicy as for some ungodly reason Sno decided it would be a great idea to go through their paypal and make a public blacklist document of all the people that charged them back, including full name and email, essentially doxing people for all their white knights to see. A journal post was made on their deviant art about it which you can read here.

Spoiler: It's a little long and contains a lot of other information so here's the exact statement

"NOW. For people who are banned.

I am going through my paypal within the next few days and jotting down all of the people who have charged me back,
IM POSTING NAMES AND E-MAILS. for a new blacklist.

I do not care if that seems unfair. it's unfair to forcibly take money from me and anyone else.
it also will scare scammers, and if they know i dont fuck around and will post ONLY names n emails, they wont want to charge me or anyone else back, and i think everyone else should do the same when you get charged back.CHARGED BACK.

IM NOT SAYING DO THIS FOR PEOPLE WHO PISS YOU OFF, IT IS WRONG TO GIVE OUT INFORMATION WHEN NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING TO YOU. I AM RELEASING THIS INFORMATION TO PROTECT NOT ONLY ME BUT EVERYONE WHO SELLS AROUND ME. IF YOU DONT AGREE, I DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR COMMENT, JUST LEAVE AND BLOCK ME. THANK YOU <3 "

Roughly 2 months later they made a follow up journal stating they no longer have the public banlist and that they are leaving deviant art, citing people being toxic, calling them a scammer, and people being pissed off about the doxing thing. The journal boils down to uwu I was just trying to help people but people are pissed off for some reason so fuck youwu

It seems they have moved on to Amino of all places and Toyhou.se.

Other psa threads made against them range from a person being ghosted after paying for a character and Sno being accused of tracing art and has allegedly been doing it for a long time. There was apparently a lot of drama about it on their community Amino, but I don't have Amino and don't feel like cursing my phone with it.

All this over a dog/cow/thing with cartons of milk for ears.

Spoiler: Yes that is one of their closed species and yes it's as ugly as you think

This was the first time I've posted something like this here so I hope it was at least entertaining. Closed species are fucking weird yet oddly fascinating and I really wanted to provide something to the discussion.

 

[Lapis Lazuli]

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Perhaps the most "original" species I've seen here. I'd prefer if they were tied to someone's creative works, and given a reason about why should I make a clown ghost.
Even "open species" suffer this issue. They're all not tied to something so I don't have a reason to care or make a character of that peculiar species. I can literally say "half wolf/half angel" and bypass having to make a species called "Sparklies" or some dumb shit like that. Which brings me to another point; Why do most of these species names sound so childish/unoriginal. For something cutesy or simplistic I'd excuse it but this happens to (almost) every species out there.

 

[Finrod Felagund]

I was searching around Toyhou.se for some odd/disgusting closed species, mostly to see if there was anything worth mentioning and I happened to find an artist by the name of Snoberry. Searched the farms and seen there wasn't any info on this person so here we go.

Snoberry (deviant art) (Website) is the owner of an astonishing 19 separate closed species. Most being cats or dogs with random food or items on the sides of their head or tails. A full list can be found on this page of their website (I don't feel like uploading 19 images under a spoiler).

At first Snoberry didn't seem too interesting, outside of the 19 different closed species. You could purchase a make your own ticket from their website for 11 dollars which isn't bad compared to most closed species. Their TOS was also pretty par for the course, including having to have your MOY approved by Sno and if you didn't make the changes they mandate you can have your MOY/character revoked (Note they make no mention of a refund). It's gross, but nothing out of the ordinary.

Then I found a topic on the Toyhou.se forums by user yourMeowjesty detailing a very interesting situation where they bought a character they were going to co-own with another user, only for said other user to lie to staff and claim the character was stolen from them and for Meowjesty being issued a warning. Now unable to use/own the character they purchased Meowjesty issued a charge back.

This is where things get juicy as for some ungodly reason Sno decided it would be a great idea to go through their paypal and make a public blacklist document of all the people that charged them back, including full name and email, essentially doxing people for all their white knights to see. A journal post was made on their deviant art about it which you can read here.

Spoiler: It's a little long and contains a lot of other information so here's the exact statement

"NOW. For people who are banned.

I am going through my paypal within the next few days and jotting down all of the people who have charged me back,
IM POSTING NAMES AND E-MAILS. for a new blacklist.

I do not care if that seems unfair. it's unfair to forcibly take money from me and anyone else.
it also will scare scammers, and if they know i dont fuck around and will post ONLY names n emails, they wont want to charge me or anyone else back, and i think everyone else should do the same when you get charged back.CHARGED BACK.

IM NOT SAYING DO THIS FOR PEOPLE WHO PISS YOU OFF, IT IS WRONG TO GIVE OUT INFORMATION WHEN NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING TO YOU. I AM RELEASING THIS INFORMATION TO PROTECT NOT ONLY ME BUT EVERYONE WHO SELLS AROUND ME. IF YOU DONT AGREE, I DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR COMMENT, JUST LEAVE AND BLOCK ME. THANK YOU <3 "

Roughly 2 months later they made a follow up journal stating they no longer have the public banlist and that they are leaving deviant art, citing people being toxic, calling them a scammer, and people being pissed off about the doxing thing. The journal boils down to uwu I was just trying to help people but people are pissed off for some reason so fuck youwu

It seems they have moved on to Amino of all places and Toyhou.se.

Other psa threads made against them range from a person being ghosted after paying for a character and Sno being accused of tracing art and has allegedly been doing it for a long time. There was apparently a lot of drama about it on their community Amino, but I don't have Amino and don't feel like cursing my phone with it.

All this over a dog/cow/thing with cartons of tard cum for ears.

Spoiler: Yes that is one of their closed species and yes it's as ugly as you think

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This was the first time I've posted something like this here so I hope it was at least entertaining. Closed species are fucking weird yet oddly fascinating and I really wanted to provide something to the discussion.

Oh God, the Snoberry? She was a big name on a few adopt communities on Amino (here's their community, Amino is shit at archiving). There was even an adoptable Amino (for feels sake please do not cover this part of the community, the user base is full of minors) PSA that warned not to sell or exchange any adoptable made by them outside the premises of the Snoberry Amino. From the PSA it's found that there had been a lot of scamming over on Furry Amino but that place is absolutely uncharted territory for me.

[edit] Added some screengrabs. Amino is anti-archival.

Turns out Snoberry updated the TOS to allow her adopts on any Amino but won't be held liable for the damages.

Of course that's fair, but again consider this: the majority of Amino consists of users under 20 years old. Then again, this is a whole different story for another day.

 

[rodentia]

Ah primagens, what a weird autistic time that was. There was (briefly) a twitter bot that created and spammed "illegal" ones.

Malice-Risu (the creator) also hosted a public "blacklist" of people who used the species without permission or just generally pissed them off, then hosted all their details on their website to get autists to bully them.

They also ran a discord server for quite some time where you would get permabanned (and probably blacklisted) for questioning their practices and you had to wait a year and then write an apology for them before being allowed back in

A nice example: for the low, low price of $1200 you too can make every future artist you commission fucking hate you.

What in the unholy fuck is going on there. I have shitty eyesight and it took legit about 20 seconds to work out what the hell each part of that was.

 

[Calamity]

Anyone know about Pot Dragons? They remind me of that old parody Snoop Dogg spyro art.

Spoiler

They're apparently a closed species made by someone called Wikk, and shit got controversial lately after someone who spend 300+ on their dragon got the ownership retracted by Wikk for some reason. Folk are just saying to say fuck it and keep using the character anyway, since it's barely an original concept.

Just really generic fluffdragons with pot leafs for tail tips. So Angel Dragons for people who like to vape.

Spoiler: Pot dragons

This one from seven years ago, proving shit ain't that original.

Spoiler

To make it even more confusing there's another species with the exact same name. But they actually look kinda cute, though the comments have folk saying already "YOU'RE RIPPING OFF THE OTHER POTDRAGONS". They are nothing alike, just the name.

 

[Hoes Mad]

Noob question, but why do closed species have certain aspects labeled as "rare" or "common"? Does having those aspects raise the price or what?

 

[Pukebucket]

I don't want to derail but Adiago is getting litigious again so I wanted to pose a question to this thread in lieu of that;
Has anyone who has ever claimed they were going to bring someone to court over copyright laws regarding "closed" species ever actually done it? If so, what happened? Did the court rule in the individuals' favor or did it get thrown out on the grounds of "that's not how copyright law works"?

Additionally, has anyone who has created closed species ever been actively sued for scamming people, or has nobody ever really bothered due to the legal slog that would create to get their money back?

 

[Lapis Lazuli]

Noob question, but why do closed species have certain aspects labeled as "rare" or "common"? Does having those aspects raise the price or what?

I think it does. I think "rare" implies it's something like albinoism or a "marking" or feature not normally seen in the species. For example, "blonde" zebras being very rare (Around 24 exist so far) and only 3 "albino lobsters" have been captured (Making them "legendary" I suppose?).
However, apparently according to these people, having a certain accessory is "rare"? I assume because of said species, they don't usually have them wear said item because of their traditions or whatever, but that's never mentioned anywhere in most of these.

 

[Pukebucket]

Noob question, but why do closed species have certain aspects labeled as "rare" or "common"? Does having those aspects raise the price or what?

I think it does. I think "rare" implies it's something like albinoism or a "marking" or feature not normally seen in the species. For example, "blonde" zebras being very rare (Around 24 exist so far) and only 3 "albino lobsters" have been captured (Making them "legendary" I suppose?).
However, apparently according to these people, having a certain accessory is "rare"? I assume because of said species, they don't usually have them wear said item because of their traditions or whatever, but that's never mentioned anywhere in most of these.

It typically either raises the price or is restricted to certain events as opposed to part of everyday sales types. Or is allowed only for group admins and high-ranking members.

 

[Finrod Felagund]

Noob question, but why do closed species have certain aspects labeled as "rare" or "common"? Does having those aspects raise the price or what?

I think it does. I think "rare" implies it's something like albinoism or a "marking" or feature not normally seen in the species. For example, "blonde" zebras being very rare (Around 24 exist so far) and only 3 "albino lobsters" have been captured (Making them "legendary" I suppose?).
However, apparently according to these people, having a certain accessory is "rare"? I assume because of said species, they don't usually have them wear said item because of their traditions or whatever, but that's never mentioned anywhere in most of these.

It typically either raises the price or is restricted to certain events as opposed to part of everyday sales types. Or is allowed only for group admins and high-ranking members.

The higher trait rarities, the less adoptables carrying such traits produced, the heftier price tag the adoptable is catching, especially when you're reselling it at some point in time. MYOs that allow you to have access to high-tier traits are nowhere easier to coming in cheap, and admin privileges will make you fucking insane if uncontrolled. Accessories may have some connection to the species for some cases, like a soul-carrying vessel or jewelry, hence they were subject to the rarity caste as well. Event-exclusive traits are kinda like Mythical Pokemon in this context. Same thing with "mutated" adoptables being likened to shiny Pokemon.

 

[YayLasagna]

Anyone know about Pot Dragons? They remind me of that old parody Snoop Dogg spyro art.

Spoiler

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They're apparently a closed species made by someone called Wikk, and shit got controversial lately after someone who spend 300+ on their dragon got the ownership retracted by Wikk for some reason. Folk are just saying to say fuck it and keep using the character anyway, since it's barely an original concept.

Just really generic fluffdragons with pot leafs for tail tips. So Angel Dragons for people who like to vape.

Spoiler: Pot dragons

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This one from seven years ago, proving shit ain't that original.

Spoiler

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To make it even more confusing there's another species with the exact same name. But they actually look kinda cute, though the comments have folk saying already "YOU'RE RIPPING OFF THE OTHER POTDRAGONS". They are nothing alike, just the name.

dude weed lmao

 

[Uncle Warren]

I don't want to derail but Adiago is getting litigious again so I wanted to pose a question to this thread in lieu of that;
Has anyone who has ever claimed they were going to bring someone to court over copyright laws regarding "closed" species ever actually done it? If so, what happened? Did the court rule in the individuals' favor or did it get thrown out on the grounds of "that's not how copyright law works"?

Oh oh, I can answer that.

Short answer is no, nothing, and jack shit.

Long answer is:

Copyright, a form of intellectual property law, protects original works of authorship including literary, dramatic, musical, and artistic works, such as poetry, novels, movies, songs, computer software, and architecture. Copyright does not protect facts, ideas, systems, or methods of operation, although it may protect the way these things are expressed. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section "What Works Are Protected."

Furries are fucking retarded and think that ideas can be protected under copyright, which is completely false. TRADEMARKS are the proper term, however the process is a strict teacher, one who makes you pay money for her to check your work, and god forbid if she finds out you just plagarized someone else and attempted to pass it off as your own original IP.

 

[Leonard Helplessness]

Oh oh, I can answer that.

Short answer is no, nothing, and jack shit.

Long answer is:


Furries are fucking exceptional and think that ideas can be protected under copyright, which is completely false. TRADEMARKS are the proper term, however the process is a strict teacher, one who makes you pay money for her to check your work, and god forbid if she finds out you just plagarized someone else and attempted to pass it off as your own original IP.

You have definitively explained why the “owners” of OCs, closed species, and other unformed mental excretions enforce “ownership” of their “property” solely by throwing tantrums and projecting mob justice at any perceived “infringer.” They have, as is appropriate for their circumstance, no legal standing so their only option is to scream at and terrorize anybody who creates anything that intentionally or unintentionally resembles the shit they’ve laid claim to.

Speaking of which, are citras still a thing?

 

[Edward Cullen]

There was that skullfox species where the creator went and got a trademark for them, fuck if I remember what they're called though

 

[inexplicable ethos]

Oh oh, I can answer that.

Short answer is no, nothing, and jack shit.

Long answer is:


Furries are fucking exceptional and think that ideas can be protected under copyright, which is completely false. TRADEMARKS are the proper term, however the process is a strict teacher, one who makes you pay money for her to check your work, and god forbid if she finds out you just plagarized someone else and attempted to pass it off as your own original IP.

Even if it is trademarked, trademark protection applies specifically to the sale of a product or service. A trademark could protect you from someone else selling designs based too obviously on your closed species (maybe) but can't stop people from designing or drawing their own OCs using your closed species. At best you could stop them from using the species' official name in relation to their character; the Tolkien Estate has a trademark on "hobbit", which is why D&D halflings are called halflings. But they're still just the same thing renamed, same with Beholders and Illithids (both trademarked by Wizards of the Coast) being renamed to shit like "eye tyrants"/"Gazers" and/or referred to colloquially as "Mind Flayers" in other media without changing the design.

 

[BoobWhiskers]

These aren't functional character sheets - they're fully rendered and shaded pieces, because they're not supposed to be reproducible. It really drives home the point that these aren't supposed to be used, just looked at and traded around as a status symbol by 30-year old NEETs and 16-year old girls.
...
This is one arm. If you ask any artist to draw this character for you they'll either outright refuse or charge you twice as much as a regular piece. It'll never look accurate because of all the partially obscured gradients on every design - that's what gives them that glowy look. Half of the appeal of these characters is the full rendering with matching perfect mood lighting, the other half is how complicated they are. Combined, it's obvious that these aren't meant to be reproducible designs.

100% this. Adoptables and species shit have this unfortunate quality where people tend to shell out more based on how shiny it looks, not how practical it is to ever draw again; it's the polar opposite of the design mentality for comics or animation, where you're going to have to draw something ten thousand times so you make it strikingly SIMPLE. It also hasthe side effect that a lot of these designs look like absolute shit when drawn by anyone who isn't at a high level of skill, because turns out without pouring on detail and rendering it's just not a very attractive or cohesive design.

A very, very big part of a lot of these designs is all about presentation and skill level on the initial art and it impacts the price WAY more than whether or not it's actually an attractive design when drawn by anyone else-- sometime when I have more time I'll go hunt up some 'original art vs. drawn by your average DA user' because it's always a mess.

(re. those goddamn ten-tons-of-hair Annies)
What in the unholy fuck is going on there. I have shitty eyesight and it took legit about 20 seconds to work out what the hell each part of that was.

I have had the distinct pain of having been commissioned to draw an adoptable of this sort of complexity before, and it's not uncommon to be provided with breakdown diagrams of what all the layers are because it's just so goddamn hard to tell. I appreciated the hell out of my commissioner knowing that was an issue and giving me that clarification, but it made the designer in me cry knowing that it was a frequent enough issue that they had a breakdown ready and waiting.

Anyone know about Pot Dragons?

Noob question, but why do closed species have certain aspects labeled as "rare" or "common"? Does having those aspects raise the price or what?

A couple people have already explained different aspects of this, but a big part of this is yeah, it's a reason to jack the price. It's about exclusivity, but also a big part of it is that you take the traits you know your userbase really wants (angel wings, glowing magic, rainbow markings, super awesome magic necklace +10 to smiting, just think of the hard-to-get shit in any MMO) and then paywall them off. It's a big thing for the MYO tickets where people are making their own designs in particular, because while a good designer can make an attractive character using just about any traits provided a lot of users think the only way to make something look good is to throw in every toy in the toybox (and pay through the nose to do so).

In theory it's about making it so not every character in the species is the holy shit anime protagonist, but since everyone does their best to shell out for it you still end up with that problem but the species creator makes a lot more money.