The whole primagen shit is just derived from an autistic sergal coding a fursuit visor and realizing people would pay to suck their dick off to join in on it. I've seen so many of those suits at this point, and I always just thought it was a fursuit accessory.
I've been waiting ages for a thread on Closed Species
Honestly, I'm kind of impressed. Imagine being able to make thousands of dollars out of a glob of visual vomit, and the general stupidity of people craving attention and status. Hilarity ensues
Furries will do anything to become 'relevant' to a community at large that is so split you can't gain clout with one without being mocked by 3 others. Suiters are furry normies; social media milkers have no stake with furries, and the ones who call themselves gamers and jerk off to art don't care who they talk to as long as they get off.
I never understood what was the point of Closed Species, they're just designs with no depht to them. Hell, many of the people that buy adoptables/MYOs of these species tend not to be people capable of creating original characters themselves. They buy adoptables just to never use them, or draw them (well, maybe they will pay for a couple commissions and call it a day), or flesh them out, and just re-sell/trade them for other designs later (usually rising the price of the design because it includes extra pieces commissioned art).
But the dramas the creators get into remind me of most Original/Fan Character drama (in which people get into petty fights with each other because their dog OC has the same color scheme as this other dog OC so one must have obviously plagiarized the other). With so many characters out there (especially on communities such as DeviantArt, Toyhou and VK) and such a limited number of concepts and color palettes to hold onto, there is just no way coincidences will not happen.
It is a lost fight, and that's what makes it so entertaining to watch.
I've been lurking around an artist's twitter that decided to branch off for the hustle of adoptable closed species. The person's named is MTO and they have these things called weedbois (yes the name sounds fucking stupid). All they are are anthropomorphized plants mixed with animals (so original) and they all share a fact that they produce a specific plant's flowers or fruit and they have colored genitals. They've been doing these for a minute now and aside from the shitty name and the lackluster designs, they're all they essentially post now aside from the occasional commission.
(EDIT: I'll be using thumbnails from now on since just using links doesn't really work out anymore.)
Notice how the poses are essentially the same goddamn thing. That's just an autistic personally pet peeve but it shows laziness to me.
I've been lurking around an artist's twitter that decided to branch off for the hustle of adoptable closed species. The person's named is MTO and they have these things called weedbois (yes the name sounds fucking stupid). All they are are anthropomorphized plants mixed with animals (so original) and they all share a fact that they produce a specific plant's flowers or fruit and they have colored genitals. They've been doing these for a minute now and aside from the shitty name and the lackluster designs, they're all they essentially post now aside from the occasional commission.
(EDIT: I'll be using thumbnails from now on since just using links doesn't really work out anymore.)
I've been lurking around an artist's twitter that decided to branch off for the hustle of adoptable closed species. The person's named is MTO and they have these things called weedbois (yes the name sounds fucking stupid). All they are are anthropomorphized plants mixed with animals (so original) and they all share a fact that they produce a specific plant's flowers or fruit and they have colored genitals. They've been doing these for a minute now and aside from the shitty name and the lackluster designs, they're all they essentially post now aside from the occasional commission.
(EDIT: I'll be using thumbnails from now on since just using links doesn't really work out anymore.)
I never understood what was the point of Closed Species, they're just designs with no depht to them. Hell, many of the people that buy adoptables/MYOs of these species tend not to be people capable of creating original characters themselves. They buy adoptables just to never use them, or draw them (well, maybe they will pay for a couple commissions and call it a day), or flesh them out, and just re-sell/trade them for other designs later (usually rising the price of the design because it includes extra pieces commissioned art).
I think that's also one of my problems with the Closed Species market, the lack of character depth and time spent figuring out how the character would "work" in their world. Maybe they make more sense in the clusterfuck that is the species lore, but just from looking at the ones posted here and around DA they're just a flat pretty picture. No thought put into things like "How does this character react to the cold or heat?" "Are they a morning person or night owl?" "How do clothes work for this character and what kind of clothes to they wear?" They all seem like pretty irrelevant questions, but someone who's put a lot of time into figuring out an OC has sat down to think about all those minute details. They all have this stock "cute" or "cool" look to them which tells you nothing about the actual characters.
You probably have people in the CS community that do put that work in but I feel like they'd get frustrated with the random restrictions put in place over character designs and just go either draw their own design or have some unrelated artist actualize their designs.
Mantibabs today go for around $250-$500 but back in the day the bidding for one could go into the thousands range. The person who makes them (PhloxeButt) is a notorious faggot even among the rest of the faggots about his creations and has a system of artificial scarcity to monetize every possible trait combination on them - their hair style, color, horns, tails, eyes, paws, markings, etc.
Of note is that pastel, brown, black, and any grayscale colors are permanently walled off from the rest of the public - not because of species lore or aesthetic or whatever, but to make yet another layer of exclusivity to reward the hanger-ons who make up his in-group and to tell everyone else to go fuck themselves.
For a guy who's so anal about his original species that every one of them has to be personally designed by him, it would really suck if, say, his brand was affiliated with a website like Kiwi Farms, right?
With that, I give you Kiwitaan:
He's co-owned by every KFer and is extremely valuable - as you can see he's both pastel and has grayscale markings (super fucking rare.) Just by virtue of being a mantibab he's worth at least $250.
The best part about this is that outside of the insular OS communities, this character has exactly as much resale value as a 'registered' mantibab and nobody had to waste a thousand dollars to obtain it.
Hell, if KF wanted to it could have a 'collection' of these characters theoretically worth tens of thousands
What if someone will go so insane and brave at the same time to pull off a trademark registration on protogens for example? What would happen? Will Malice-risu turn into a blackhole and collapse into herself out of rage?
Mantibabs today go for around $250-$500 but back in the day the bidding for one could go into the thousands range. The person who makes them (PhloxeButt) is a notorious faggot even among the rest of the faggots about his creations and has a system of artificial scarcity to monetize every possible trait combination on them - their hair style, color, horns, tails, eyes, paws, markings, etc.
Of note is that pastel, brown, black, and any grayscale colors are permanently walled off from the rest of the public - not because of species lore or aesthetic or whatever, but to make yet another layer of exclusivity to reward the hanger-ons who make up his in-group and to tell everyone else to go fuck themselves.
For a guy who's so anal about his original species that every one of them has to be personally designed by him, it would really suck if, say, his brand was affiliated with a website like Kiwi Farms, right?
He's co-owned by every KFer and is extremely valuable - as you can see he's both pastel and has grayscale markings (super fucking rare.) Just by virtue of being a mantibab he's worth at least $250.
The best part about this is that outside of the insular OS communities, this character has exactly as much resale value as a 'registered' mantibab and nobody had to waste a thousand dollars to obtain it.
Hell, if KF wanted to it could have a 'collection' of these characters theoretically worth tens of thousands
I feel like these things have similar anatomy to fumidragons they're just way more cluttered and unappealing. Kiwitaan though honestly has a great color scheme and isn't pointlessly over designed.
I am gonna be honest, some of the closed species actually look creative and fun to look at, and have some nice thought put into them.
But then you realized that some fat fucking loser is holding them in some kinda jail that you gotta PAY to even use them, even though they are just imaginary characters, and don't really have a limit on how they are drawn or made, but that isn't stopping the creator.
I swear, some people take one step forward and five steps back when it comes to art.
I was trying to put in words what’s so bizarre and out of place about the closed species community, why seemingly everybody in it is a mentally ill, greedy egomaniac. I’ve come to my conclusion.
Creating written work requires you to dedicate time and effort. Creating a drawing requires you to dedicate time and effort. Music, 3D printing plans, film, sculpture, architecture, animation, 3D rendered SFM pornography, erotic Touhou bullet patterns, anything else that could be proximately considered a creative work requires the creator to fucking work. Art is what happens when someone had an idea and proceeded to bust their ass to transform that idea into something that they could express to the world.
OC, closed species, and other shit are different. They are ideas and they were almost always thought of by some random faggot who then paid somebody else to do the heavy lifting of getting that idea into a fixed, easily shareable form and correcting and re-correcting the size, sharpness, and color sequence on each row of phallic spines to be just perfect.
A character is an idea and coming up with an idea requires no focus of effort, no hardship, no supplies or equipment, absolutely nothing except a brain slightly more functional than that of Lola Hartley. Because anybody has the means to have an idea, ideas are cheap. They’re among the cheapest garbage that humanity has ever created, ranking somewhere alongside feces. The caveman who thought of the wheel did not proceed to run around yelling at all the other cavemen about what a genius he was, or if he did nobody fucking cared until he took a big rock and a few shitty tools and spent day after day of trial and error working until he had made a fucking wheel.
Ideas are cheap and everybody in any creative industry knows it. Indie game projects that accept volunteers consistently fail because the people who volunteer consist 10% of people willing to put in the work and 90% of Ideas Guys who do absolutely nothing except fight over which Ideas Guy has the best ideas. Making an idea real is not cheap and people who have never created anything themselves do not understand that.
This closed-species shit is a naked attempt by dumb, lazy people to monetize ideas that they brewed up out of nowhere with zero effort and overvalue to a hilarious degree. They are trying to put massive price tags on barely-formed concepts that flow as freely as bodily waste from every human being who ever existed. It is grotesque, it is narcissistic, it is lazy, and the people doing this deserve only mockery.
Tsk, 8 pages in and no mention of Grems?
I don't have a lot of insight on it, but they're basically these chicken-legged furries with fat arms that have an exclusive rarity called 'cypherus' that people sperg out for, to the point where an auction for a custom one went up to 20.5k only for the end result to look like this
I feel like these things have similar anatomy to fumidragons they're just way more cluttered and unappealing. Kiwitaan though honestly has a great color scheme and isn't pointlessly over designed.
Those are actually older manti designs - if you thought those were cluttered as fuck, you should see how Phloxe makes them now, because holy shit.
These aren't functional character sheets - they're fully rendered and shaded pieces, because they're not supposed to be reproducible. It really drives home the point that these aren't supposed to be used, just looked at and traded around as a status symbol by 30-year old NEETs and 16-year old girls.
Like, fuck, just look at an arm of one of these things.
Starting from the top, it's a cyan husky marking wrapped around the upper arm transitioning into seafoam green transitioning into blue irregular tiger stripes on top of cyan transitioning into a light seafoam sock marking into a seafoam gradient stopping at the white knuckles. Oh and the pawpads are seafoam, the claws are two-toned, and there's a dark blue elbow and thumb.
This is one arm. If you ask any artist to draw this character for you they'll either outright refuse or charge you twice as much as a regular piece. It'll never look accurate because of all the partially obscured gradients on every design - that's what gives them that glowy look. Half of the appeal of these characters is the full rendering with matching perfect mood lighting, the other half is how complicated they are. Combined, it's obvious that these aren't meant to be reproducible designs.
When content creators of any kind have a character it's for a purpose: as a mascot, as a muse, as a recurring character in their work, as an expression of themselves in their work, etc. Like Leonard Helpless said, they take effort and work and a vision. Dipshits with no artistic or creative capabilities don't see all that, they just see shiny thing they want, and next thing you know it artists are making a killing off of them by selling them non-functional designs to be collected like Pokémon.
But of course they're not attached to this character: it doesn't have a story and they didn't create it. It's just some pretty thing. So they resell them on Twitter for a fraction of their original cost claiming they didn't "connect" with them after the novelty and the shopping high wears off.
Then they see the next pretty thing selling for an obscene amount of money they don't have, and they buy it because they think this one is going to give them the happiness and fulfillment that it gives to an artist.
That's pretty fucked up. The person had some sort of manic episode and clearly that fucked with them and then these cunts have no issue dragging their asses as long as they can before rushing to do a shit sketch so they won't get a chargeback on them for 9k of that. That's the kind of people you never want to meet because they'd steal from some dementia patient because they think they can get away with it. It's honestly sad and in all honesty I'm glad it's now achieved and documented forever.
Holy fuck, these guys never even asked how or why the buyer spent that much? Then again furry artists are audacious enough to take advantage of certain people like this poor fellow. I hope the buyer is able to recover financially.
Holy fuck, these guys never even asked how or why the buyer spent that much? Then again furry artists are audacious enough to take advantage of certain people like this poor fellow. I hope the buyer is able to recover financially.
and you would think, if someone decided to give you 20k for a custom you could at the very least go all out for them, get a decent artist to design it. you could get a really high quality piece of art for a couple hundred bucks and that wouldn't even be a scratch off the profit. that design is so low quality I highly doubt even the most rabid species fan would be willing to cough up even a fraction of that price back for it. these people are so fucking greedy.
>People are selling this shit at $500 - $1000 for what is essentially a pisspoor attempt to sketch something
>Art students are slaving away at the Mcdonalds and the KFC because their education gave them fuck all
Furfags have way too much spendable income, that's the only thing that explains this shit
and you would think, if someone decided to give you 20k for a custom you could at the very least go all out for them, get a decent artist to design it. you could get a really high quality piece of art for a couple hundred bucks and that wouldn't even be a scratch off the profit. that design is so low quality I highly doubt even the most rabid species fan would be willing to cough up even a fraction of that price back for it. these people are so fucking greedy.
