🦊 Furry Closed Species - Pay $500 to draw a bedazzled fox

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Mikoyan said:
Vader-San actually doesn't get enough credit for making 'protogen but better' as Synths, making it an open species, and the early art snuck in some references about how they're even open source in the lore as a jab.
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synths are based and serve as yet another proof that stallman is right
 
Demetrius said:
It's almost like these people can't control what others draw.
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And, just from the explanation of closed species, that's a childish concept.
"I call dibs! No, you can't draw him, that's against the rules. I summon my horde of enemy soldiers!"... the rules of what, the universe? Do you plan to telekinetically control the poor sap who drew a unlicensed Primagen to make him smash his Wacom tablet with his fist? You can use "your underground connections" like a mafia boss to blacklist you from everyone's commission list and give you the status of "oh, he's dirty, he committed theft by not paying for furry NFTs", but... You're not going to trademark the concept of a bigger protogen with claws. Artist entitlement like this is why I'm glad AI is encroaching on artists.

These fuckers went crazy on the NFT craze, I know it! Charge people to buy something to own that they only own virtually (an ugly fursona that limits what you're allowed to make it look like based on the creators whim, vs. an ugly monkey PFP that could easily be recreated with picrew or a similar tool in 30 minutes), send a horde of autistic fucks after them if they make their own spin without paying up.

Anyways, let's see what the page says:
  • The art/lines are copyrighted, and using them without permission in any way, other than satire* or teaching, is a copyright infringement and also art theft. You can always create your own lines that are different enough though.
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Lines? Huh?
The name owners create to identify their species with, and use when conducting services/sells, is protected under common law trademark** against competing businesses if it’s unique enough on its own
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...which none of the closed species are, they're all offshoots of popular animals to base fursonas on.
The owner can legally stop you from using their brand (as that’s what the name is like Nike is a brand of shoes[ ... ] Star Wars, Blizzard, and Star Trek. Each of these has aspects of IP (Intellectual Property) that they own and seriously protect. This is from brand names (like Klingon) to how they specifically portray races, and it’s all protected. Without permission, you cannot create a Klingon character without expecting some legal notices to come your way.
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But you can. You really can. Hasbro never took down millions of ponyfags' characters, no matter how overtly sexual they were made. And that's a kids show, of which they use the unique species & artstyle from! Notice the lack of bringing up any actual cases where supposedly a person was prevented from making an OC of a copyrighted species from a show.

Conclusion: furries are batshit insane and closed species are rooted in autism. The same shit you already know, folks.
 
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Demetrius said:
Conclusion: furries are batshit insane and closed species are rooted in autism. The same shit you already know, folks.
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Double Conclusion: Furries are as hyper capitalistic as they are anti capitalistic. They make Genshin Impact fans run for their money with how hypocritical they are. Smash the system unless someone's willing to spend hundreds of dollars on my hyper fart art. For closed species, its arguably much worse. At least there's ""value"" of the art between the consumer and the client. What are you getting from closed species? Something that can easily be recreated with no effort done at all?

Practically nothing! And yet it works! I hope these people let CS be their first introduction on the major things on what NOT to do financially, and that's "splurging mass numbers of money on things you probably most likely won't have any real purpose/use for".
 
didelphigina said:
Double Conclusion: Furries are as hyper capitalistic as they are anti capitalistic. [...] Smash the system unless someone's willing to spend hundreds of dollars on my hyper fart art.
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Furries are already rich enough as it is, being that they can afford 2k dollar suits. Of course they'd never pass up the opportunity for a quick buck, "forget that it conflicts with my political beliefs and I can't make any money off these closed species down the road later on in life".

The people who buy these closed species are also fucking themself financially. Not only are you... paying to be able to use certain accessories like a Roblox character (even that's better financially as you can buy limited items for cheap and pawn them off later) but... you really aren't getting any gains from it unless the off chance occurs that someone asks for a commission of them and "your" character. It goes against everything the community stands for. Freedom, expressing yourself "woah nelly! i don't think you can use that hairstyle.", and having fun(?)

they're too autistic to fully grasp that changing your political ideals on a whim to fit the best possible outcome isn't socially acceptable, but neither is dressing like a rejected cast member from the set of Bluey in front of thousands of people.
 
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Mikoyan said:
Vader-San actually doesn't get enough credit for making 'protogen but better' as Synths, making it an open species, and the early art snuck in some references about how they're even open source in the lore as a jab.
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the virgin primagen fears the chad synth
 
Demetrius said:
Furries are already rich enough as it is, being that they can afford 2k dollar suits.
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I used to think that but the amount of begging and grifting that goes on in the furry community suggests that there are a significant number of them that are living well beyond their means and get all this shit by racking up tons of debt. Not that the trust fund babbies and fabled IT professional furries don't exist but I think they're not as common as you'd be led to believe.
 
Keine said:
I used to think that but the amount of begging and grifting that goes on in the furry community suggests that there are a significant number of them that are living well beyond their means and get all this shit by racking up tons of debt. Not that the trust fund babbies and fabled IT professional furries don't exist but I think they're not as common as you'd be led to believe.
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The furry fandom has a huge influencer problem
Just like how regular people have influencers showing off high end cars, sitting in fancy hotels wearing expensive jewelry and watches and seemingly never doing any labor more difficult than lifting up a cup of coffee, so do furries have the rich influencers showing off all their furry swag and making people who may not care for this stuff feel like they must have it to be 'in'
 
This is likely not a new idea for furry stuff, but I wonder how doing up a close species the same way Terry Pratchett did promotional gigs would float. That is, it's a closed species and the cost of making one is a minimum $5 donation to a charity of your choice. You wouldn't rip off a charity, would you?
 
Soda Can said:
This is likely not a new idea for furry stuff, but I wonder how doing up a close species the same way Terry Pratchett did promotional gigs would float. That is, it's a closed species and the cost of making one is a minimum $5 donation to a charity of your choice. You wouldn't rip off a charity, would you?
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I know some closed species groups have done charity sales in the past, though usually in those cases they pledge to donate a % (commonly half) of all profits to the stated charity. It's usually an adopt batch themed around the charity, but I've also seen MYO charity sales too.
 
Keine said:
I used to think that but the amount of begging and grifting that goes on in the furry community suggests that there are a significant number of them that are living well beyond their means and get all this shit by racking up tons of debt. Not that the trust fund babbies and fabled IT professional furries don't exist but I think they're not as common as you'd be led to believe.
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Sort of. There's a ton of furries working non minimum wage jobs (as statistical mean would suggest).

How do they afford luxuries like a 4-5 digit fur suit, thousands of dollars in art comms and probably a couple of grand in conventions, you ask? It's easy. Furries, by far and large, don't have families. They typically are estranged from their parents, usually some spectrum of LGBT and have no responsibilities like raising kids or having to maintain a car. So all their disposable income goes to funding their furry lifestyles.
 
Kane Lives said:
How do they afford luxuries like a 4-5 digit fur suit, thousands of dollars in art comms and probably a couple of grand in conventions, you ask? It's easy. Furries, by far and large, don't have families. They typically are estranged from their parents, usually some spectrum of LGBT and have no responsibilities like raising kids or having to maintain a car. So all their disposable income goes to funding their furry lifestyles.
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And you always know these people constantly have their Kofi linked as a pinned comment in their Twitter/Bluesky all the time despite being more "well off" than the average minimum wage furry.
 
Mikoyan said:
I'm not sure the DAD people are active enough to raise ire now.

The protokids are however.
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The salt provided by a D.A.D./primagen hybrid would enough to defrost Greenland.

Someone please do it, it would be the most hilarious shitstorm in the fandom of this year. :story:
 
Demetrius said:
These fuckers went crazy on the NFT craze, I know it!
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I've mentioned this in the AI art threads, but it was always very, very funny to me how huge of a double standard furries had on this.

They all absolutely shit on NFTs (rightfully so, IMO) for being impossible to enforce. You can't own a JPEG, silly techbro, I can just right click -> copy it and there's nothing you can do about it! See look, I even took your NFT avatar and replied to you with it in my tweet! Haha! I don't care if you say I can't use it, I'll use it out of spite because you literally can't stop me.

But then when it comes to closed species or generative AI, HOW DARE YOU do anything with their image. That image belongs to THEM and THEM ONLY. You can't do anything but LOOK. Copyright is ultimate over everything and you MUST have explicit consent from the owner to do anything but view it exactly how/where they want you to view it.

didelphigina said:
Furries are as hyper capitalistic as they are anti capitalistic
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This is another extremely hypocritical thing furries do as well and it irks me. They are all fine with killing CEOs and destroying wealth and UBI and whatever other anti-capitalism talking points... right up until it is pointed out how absurd it is to charge $1000+ for a "closed species" or YCH/adopt auctions going for $1500+ in some cases. Then suddenly if you don't just have thousands of dollars in disposable income, too bad so sad, it's a "luxury item" so it is entirely your fault for not being able to afford it.

I don't even care either way about it politically, it just makes me squirm with how dishonest it is.

Anyway, to be on topic:

One Angry Computer said:
The salt provided by a D.A.D./primagen hybrid would enough to defrost Greenland.

Someone please do it, it would be the most hilarious shitstorm in the fandom of this year. :story:
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Bonus: train a generative AI LoRA on it, so people can mass produce them. Then you have the double whammy of violating "closed species" rules but also for then feeding it into AI, two very forbidden things in one.
 
Noebel said:
And don't forget le verbotten nose circle. Only the creator of angel dragons can do le verbotten nose circle.
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Which again, the nose circle denotes that you are not cursed by God himself and therefore have a soul.

I keep saying this because the DAD lore is startlingly psychotic.
 
Noebel said:
And don't forget le verbotten nose circle. Only the creator of angel dragons can do le verbotten nose circle.
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Hilariously, this was actually repealed in March 2019 and now the nose ring is allowed. Here's a super autistic lore explanation if you're curious. Now the remaining rule is that you can't use names based on electronics/technology. Only the creator, who owns "Telephone" and "Radio" can do that. Because she has to have some kind of exception to make her special, of course.
 
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