Civvie 11 - Retro FPS Boomer

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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Isn't Thief 3 considered better than the first? It's just about the same level of jank, but 3 has some of the most iconic levels in gaming, and a better plot.
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I don't believe so, I see way more Thief fans consider 1 to be the best, although they considered 2 to be the best for quite awhile (which I agree with). Thief 3 also was made with the console market in mind, sort of a Deus Ex Invisible War situation.
 
Ahriman said:
That Brazilian Drug Dealer 3 Quake clone is basically the spiritual successor to Grezzo 2. Which is to say, an Italian shitpost.

Since he's already covered Grezzo 2 IIRC, it's time for him to dip his toes into Terry WADs.

It's the only logical conclusion at this point.
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The devs for that were in a quake modding server and posting about porting it to other engines so they could sell it, I'm pretty sure the whole thing is running in quakeC.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Isn't Thief 3 considered better than the first? It's just about the same level of jank, but 3 has some of the most iconic levels in gaming, and a better plot.
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From what I understand as someone who only beat Thief 3 and the 2104 reboot: Thief 1 and 2 are praised to this day. Thief 3 is a lot more controversial, but I don't think anyone downright slams it. I for one liked it enough to beat it twice, which is something I don't often do. The reboot is almost universally shat on or forgotten. I didn't hate it, but it seemed to have little to do with previous installments.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Isn't Thief 3 considered better than the first? It's just about the same level of jank, but 3 has some of the most iconic levels in gaming, and a better plot.
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Thief 3 is a dumbed-down console game with bad movement (based on the movement of the body model even in first-person mode) and tiny levels separated by loading screens (which you can mod out these days, but the levels are still small and have less interconnection within them than one would like due to the designs still being based around loading points). Hearing the plot described as better than 1 or 2 is also new. When it's well-remembered, it's almost entirely for a single level and for being less bad than Thief 2014.
 
I'd always heard how great the Thief series was earlier in this century but my XP machine refused to run T1 and T2 off the original installation discs for some unknown reason. I bought T3 when it first came up on steam and that one ran fine. My buddies who loved Thief were much less glowing about T3, but actually playing it I thought it was really quite good. I later played T1 and T2 and was blown away by them, but outside of the consolization of it, mostly with the tiny levels, I still think T3 was just fine. Not as great as the first two but but still a memorable, decent game.

Opinions will vary of course. I think the thing that most people will agree about T3 is that it wrapped up the storyline really quite nicely, a concept that is truly beyond rare these days.
 
Penne Dreadful said:
Thief 3 is a dumbed-down console game with bad movement (based on the movement of the body model even in first-person mode) and tiny levels separated by loading screens (which you can mod out these days, but the levels are still small and have less interconnection within them than one would like due to the designs still being based around loading points). Hearing the plot described as better than 1 or 2 is also new. When it's well-remembered, it's almost entirely for a single level and for being less bad than Thief 2014.
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This, basically. I remember, when it came out, practically every Polish ga(y)memag was shitting on it as a dissapointing entry in the Thief series, in a "one step forward, two steps back" kinda way: people liked the graphics (although it required a much stronger PC then the others games at that time), possibility of getting jailed when caught (although only once, after that it was kill on sight) and the abandoned asylum level and disliked practically everything else - not being hard enough for some, level partitions, the final boss and the "chase"....

It IS true though, that DS is still a much better Thief game then Ubi Thief.
 
Bear Powers said:
I'd always heard how great the Thief series was earlier in this century but my XP machine refused to run T1 and T2 off the original installation discs for some unknown reason. I bought T3 when it first came up on steam and that one ran fine. My buddies who loved Thief were much less glowing about T3, but actually playing it I thought it was really quite good. I later played T1 and T2 and was blown away by them, but outside of the consolization of it, mostly with the tiny levels, I still think T3 was just fine. Not as great as the first two but but still a memorable, decent game.

Opinions will vary of course. I think the thing that most people will agree about T3 is that it wrapped up the storyline really quite nicely, a concept that is truly beyond rare these days.
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It suffers from the ‘Invisible War’ syndrome. Has some good moments but being ‘consolified’ and following in the steps of something really amazing hurt it in the long run.
 
Tranny joke spotted at 4:04!

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Gossip Avoider said:
Civvie's discord server has to be a treasure trove of cringe.
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I didn't even know what he was referring to, so I had to look it up. Supposedly John Tarmac
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that developer when he died and some people got their panties in a twist. This is BILL Heineman in 1983 when he was 20 years old.

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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Isn't Thief 3 considered better than the first? It's just about the same level of jank, but 3 has some of the most iconic levels in gaming, and a better plot.
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Lol no certainly was not considered better than either first or second at release. Having played both 1 and 3, I'd say 3 plays better when you approach it as a fangame or total conversion mod 'cause it's too different for a rabid fan of 1 and 2 to be comfortable with. Some lore changes, like Keepers being fucking wizards casting invisibility spells instead of just monk ninjas knowing super-stealth techniques were so dumb I pretended to forget about it to not spoil the fun.
Hentai-Semitism said:
This is BILL Heineman in 1983 when he was 20 years old.
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He's the rare kind of tranny who is actually competent at coding. Almost as good as Carmack himself.
 
Yknow, of all the trannies I've ever immediately said "no way is that actually a chick", that one was one of the more convincing cases. I almost believed it was somebody's crazy grandma. The part that gave it away was coding the 3DO port of Doom.
 
That was IIRC a pretty damn good Half Life 1 total conversion mod from around 2001 when they'd be officially released as stand-alone games.
 
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