Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

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Poor Heilberg. What a fabulous head of hair, and I hope he doesn't resort to tearing it out over the next few months. I'm sure I speak for everyone here in wishing him the very best.
 
Gotta say, I sort of like the attorney.

When you see his google reviews, he has only 5 (he is probably soon to have many more). Four are glowing, one is negative. To quote a Ms. Sharon Daniel:

My experience with this attorney was horrible be careful who you hire
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Heilberg's response in the review:

What happened is a matter of public record. The information about her conviction and sentence is available online at the Virginia.gov courts website.

Following her trial, for an altercation that arose in another person's place of business, with video evidence available depicting what happened, Ms. Daniel was convicted of assault and chose not to appeal. She received a 30 days all suspended jail sentence with conditions:

1. 1 year of good behavior.

2. Her suspended sentence was further conditioned upon her completion of supervised probation. She was also ordered to undergo an anger management assessment and comply with any recommended therapeutic treatment or program. She was required to complete 20 hours of community service within 6 months while on probation. She was barred from the premises of the store owned by her victim and was ordered to have no further contact with him.

3. She was fined $500 with $400 of this suspended plus court costs. She was also ordered to pay $200 restitution to her victim. Court costs and restitution were due within 6 months.

She remains angry about being convicted for being angry and, as decided by a judge, assaulting a person in his own store.

Although she had a fair trial, she was convicted, but without imposition of an active jail sentence to serve, for arguing in a store owner's establishment that, the Court decided, escalated to the point that she assaulted, although not seriously, the store owner who within his rights asked her to leave his premises. Enough of the videos and stills were available depicting these events to leave little doubt about the facts including that, because the owner was holding a toddler in his arms, it was inappropriate to bitterly argue in the presence of a child.

She had trouble before in local stores with 2 previous shoplifting convictions, with her second offense amended from a felony to a misdemeanor, but she received no active jail time for this assault although it was her third conviction in 4 years time:

Case #: GC19001564-00
Defendant: DANIEL, SHARON MEADOWS
Offense Date: 07/07/2019
Hearing: 08/20/2019
Charge: ASSAULT: (MISDEMEANOR)
Code Section: 18.2-57

Waynesboro General District Court
Case #: GC17000043-00
Defendant: DANIEL, SHARON MEADOWS
Offense Date: 12/06/2016
Hearing: 04/18/2017
Amended Charge: SHOPLIFTING 2ND OFFENSE
Amended Code Section: 18.2-103

Waynesboro General District Court
Case #: GC15000887-00
Defendant: DANIEL, SHARON MEADOWS
Offense Date: 03/27/2015
Hearing: 06/02/2015
Charge: SHOPLIFT/ ALTER MERCH<$200
Code Section: 18.2-103

This was not a wrongful conviction after she decided not to appeal and pursue a retrial.
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That said I suspect his five star review from a Daniel Heilberg may be a bit biased. His website is definitely inadequate, especially for an attorney with as many years under his belt as he. Perhaps he just moved, as checking google maps for his business address does not show his name on the shingle, and it is not a large law office where an attorney with his years wouldn't have his name on the shingle.
 
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AnOminous said:
A finding that he's incompetent to stand trial would generally result in him being hospitalized until (and if) he becomes competent to stand trial after treatment including the possibility of medication or therapy. Note, that's a different test than not guilty by reason of insanity and is very, very low. You just have to be able to participate meaningfully in your defense. So if you realize you're in a court and not on a space ship or some shit you probably qualify. That is hyperbole but not by much.
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Say he's convicted and can't adjust to prison life, chimps out frequently, or repeatedly hits his head on the wall and the prison gets tired of putting him in restraint and a spit mask. In Va. does the prison have to do the full civil process for ongoing involuntary treatment or do they get shortcuts/leeway and get to put him on drugs since he's in custody?
 
failson-lawguy said:
This uhhh looks really really bad for Chris. If this is how he's behaving at arraignment, I cannot imagine how much worse this behavior will get by prelim hearings and trial. Hoping that Heilberg can adequately advise Chris against these types of outbursts, but almost certainly can't, and I wish him all the best in the defense he mounts.
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He can advise, but that won't stop Chris.
 
turdburger said:
Poor Heilberg. What a fabulous head of hair, and I hope he doesn't resort to tearing it out over the next few months. I'm sure I speak for everyone here in wishing him the very best.
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How did he get this guy? Court appointment? Seems a cut above the usual level of court appointed representatives. Maybe he's some kind of do-gooder into pro bono shit.
 
AnOminous said:
How did he get this guy? Court appointment? Seems a cut above the usual level of court appointed representatives. Maybe he's some kind of do-gooder into pro bono shit.
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I'm not seeing any public defender office listings for Greene County. It's a pretty small place- under 20k residents. My guess is they must use private attorneys on a court appointment list and just charge hours to a public defender fund, that isn't rare in many smaller counties.

I do think it's odd that he's based out of Charlottesville if they did that, but who knows. Charlottesville is an independent city despite not being all that big, meaning that because Virginia is fucking retarded they would rather have a courthouse and attendant staff for every independent city instead of just doing it at the county level. They make it even more confusing because some cities only have district courts, and the biggers ones get an entire circuit. The Greene county courthouse is only a few miles up the road from Charlottesville. Charlottesville actually does have a PD office, but I don't see one for Greene. Charlottesville is actually in Albemarle county (which has its own courts too) but my guess is that due to proximity there is probably a lot of overlap with Greene county lawyers and charlottesville. It gets even sillier when you look and see the Albemarle and Charlottesville district courts are separated by about one city block.

A lot of the smaller towns and cities in VA flirt with remaining classified as a town because it lowers their overhead so much to do so.
 
Unpleasant said:
Gotta say, I sort of like the attorney.

When you see his google reviews, he has only 5 (he is probably soon to have many more). Four are glowing, one is negative. To quote a Ms. Sharon Daniel:



Heilberg's response in the review:



That said I suspect his five star review from a Daniel Heilberg may be a bit biased. His website is definitely inadequate, especially for an attorney with as many years under his belt as he. Perhaps he just moved, as checking google maps for his business address does not show his name on the shingle, and it is not a large law office where an attorney with his years wouldn't have his name on the shingle.
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My favorite thing about him is that he's a Super Lawyer. Sure it's a circlejerk professional organization, but Super Lolyers have provided some pretty fantastic representation in cases that have been covered on the Farms. Maybe he can get Chris under control, maybe he can't. Maybe he can file motions that don't look like I wrote them, maybe he can't. I think there is the potential for some magical filings and court appearance hijinks. You can't ever underestimate the autism vortex that follows around cows like Chris.
 
Unpleasant said:
A lot of the smaller towns and cities in VA flirt with remaining classified as a town because it lowers their overhead so much to do so.
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Apparently the judge is in Albemarle County, he's listed here:

Albemarle Juvenile and Domestic Relations District Court

Albemarle Juvenile and Domestic Relations District Court
www.courts.state.va.us

He's also in the Central Virginia Regional Jail in Orange County, next to both Albemarle and Greene. Maybe they have some kind of protective custody unit there.
 

I don't know if you all have been keeping up with this thread, but it seems Chris had some predator enablers that took money from him, encouraged and facilitated his activities, and tried to get him to kill himself.

This opens up a whole can of worms in terms of culpability for Chris and these others, and contours some of my previous assessments even in this thread, assuming everything in that OP is true.
 
How do VA's laws on stuff like this compare to other states in the union? Virginia is kinda in the middle when it comes to politics, IIRC.
 
Unpleasant said:
Meh, could have been worse (for Chris). They're mainly wanting evaluations before considering bond motions. That's reasonable and a good way to keep him away from his mother in the absence of an EPO.

The judge has seen and heard a lot worse (and crazier). And don't discount people acting crazy when accused of a major crime to try and "build a case" for their attempt to show they're incompetent.
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Fortunately for the defense attorney, there's ample evidence of insanity since 2000
 
Learned Hand said:

I don't know if you all have been keeping up with this thread, but it seems Chris had some predator enablers that took money from him, encouraged and facilitated his activities, and tried to get him to kill himself.

This opens up a whole can of worms in terms of culpability for Chris and these others, and contours some of my previous assessments even in this thread, assuming everything in that OP is true.
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Unironically big if true.

I just skimmed the post bit five possibilities come to mind:

1. This is all bogus and he actually did it, same situation as we've already been discussing

2. He did it on his own in an attempt to impress this girl

3. He did it with this girl's encouragement and her egging him on

4. He lied about it to impress this girl

5. This girl tricked him or manipulated him into making a fake confession or explaining what it would be like if it happened (sort of an OJ Simpson "If I did it" type situation) and edited the conversation as a form of blackmail or trolling
 
Question for the people who actually know what they're talking about when it comes to legality - what are the odds Chris could get off of this lightly if he made it clear he was a retard every time he interacted with the judge, but then kept his mouth completely shut every other moment and didn't do tard shit like stomping his feet and interrupting to get his pronouns correct or spout off dumb asides? I'm getting the impression if he was just quiet, polite and refrained from being a nuisance by speaking/acting out of turn it could massively benefit him to the point of averting the vast majority of the potential punishment here.
 
Criminal Stupidity said:
Question for the people who actually know what they're talking about when it comes to legality - what are the odds Chris could get off of this lightly if he made it clear he was a retard every time he interacted with the judge, but then kept his mouth completely shut every other moment and didn't do tard shit like stomping his feet and interrupting to get his pronouns correct or spout off dumb asides? I'm getting the impression if he was just quiet, polite and refrained from being a nuisance by speaking/acting out of turn it could massively benefit him to the point of averting the vast majority of the potential punishment here.
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Being polite or pretending to be extra retarded isn't likely to make that much or a difference. If you have sex with your elderly mother the judge has a pretty good idea what he's dealing with. About all it would do is keep him from catching a contempt charge.

The only words Chris should speak in court from here on are during the acceptance of his plea.
 
Learned Hand said:

I don't know if you all have been keeping up with this thread, but it seems Chris had some predator enablers that took money from him, encouraged and facilitated his activities, and tried to get him to kill himself.

This opens up a whole can of worms in terms of culpability for Chris and these others, and contours some of my previous assessments even in this thread, assuming everything in that OP is true.
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I had been following it until it got locked and I guess it has been subsequently re-opened. It appeared there was probably an Idea Guys like situation going and given the rampant faggotry of Bella both in the thread and her own general GOTISness, Nothing struck me as particularly damaging for her criminally, beyond speculated child pornography, or exonerating for Chris. That thread is tedious due to rampant socking and nothing I read in the revised OP jumped out at me as significant enough to influence this case.

What kind of overwhelming influence would have to exerted on Chris could cause a prosecutor to offer a better plea deal? Is that something they would consider? Chris and the entire situation surrounding this affair is so fucked that I don't know that anyone can predict how it would proceed going to trial and how a jury would react to Chris. He's his own worst enemy and I don't see most people caring much that he chose to believe some basic cluster B teenager. Chris is an adult who chooses not to know better. I don't know how he overcomes that.
 
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