Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

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Mason Verger said:
It’s surreal to me that all of this niche, intense, cultish documentation of Chris that we’ve all enjoyed so much in absolute secrecy and shame is going to be used as a resource in a felony rape case. Some paralegal will be adding the “she came for CWC” jpeg to a desktop file. Bonkers shit.
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I would be highly surprised if any online documentation from sites like this one were used as exhibits, simply because of the authentication issues of getting pseudonymous individuals from other states or countries to testify to personal knowledge of matters that are almost certainly going to be either prior bad acts or more prejudicial than probative regarding the actual issues at trial.
Alexander Hamilton said:
You asked about inmate access to email. They do in the federal system. I don't know about state by state access...however this email is limited, monitored, and all the things you would expect from a form of prison communication.
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Yeah, from what I've seen it's a closed, proprietary system where both parties need to have an account, and is 100% read by staff (except, presumably, attorney/client messages).
Mason Verger said:
She’s nearly 80. It’s impossible.
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Dude, I'm primarily a probate/estate planning guy. The fertile octogenarian is a rule.
 
Learned Hand said:
Activist lawyers are a cancer eating the profession, and I'm seeing these woke bottom feeders circling Chris's case on twitter more and more. Oh, to have that post one or two years out of law school naivety once more.
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yes, and honestly it is so much worse in a PD because generally its either fresh law school people or PD lifers (myself included) who have an inflated sense of vague "justice" they're upholding, and often are cursed with delusional lib shit about the importance of activism in law.
Like, literally the grand majority of people in this profession aren't going to make a difference in the grand scheme of "the law", and operating under that delusion just makes you insane after a while and completely distorts the true objective of the work, which is mostly advising people on existing legal principles and working through the maze of it in a way that is most beneficial to them. Activist lawyers are at best only interested in themselves and hide behind the veil of progressively changing the legal profession and society as a whole through it, and at worst completely buy into their own bullshit
 
Learned Hand said:
Activist lawyers are a cancer eating the profession, and I'm seeing these woke bottom feeders circling Chris's case on twitter more and more. Oh, to have that post one or two years out of law school naivety once more.
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Activist lawyers need to get elected to the legislature and change the law the proper way. It is not the job of the courts to do the sorts of things they want them to do. The courts were never intended to have the final say, hence why we can amend the constitution or otherwise pass laws as a direct response to judicial decisions.
 
failson-lawguy said:
I would say that she got the sentence she deserved based on the facts and operative laws of Mass., but can see how people are like 98% on the side of she got off too light (because in a purely moral sense, she did deserve more punishment), and 2% on the side of she shouldn't have been convicted at all (because they are pathetic simps who want to be told to kill themselves by a teenage girl too)
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I think it was a fair cop but the holding should really be limited to the incredibly specific facts of the case.
 
failson-lawguy said:
yes, and honestly it is so much worse in a PD because generally its either fresh law school people or PD lifers (myself included) who have an inflated sense of vague "justice" they're upholding, and often are cursed with delusional lib shit about the importance of activism in law.
Like, literally the grand majority of people in this profession aren't going to make a difference in the grand scheme of "the law", and operating under that delusion just makes you insane after a while and completely distorts the true objective of the work, which is mostly advising people on existing legal principles and working through the maze of it in a way that is most beneficial to them. Activist lawyers are at best only interested in themselves and hide behind the veil of progressively changing the legal profession and society as a whole through it, and at worst completely buy into their own bullshit
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95% of the time a criminal defense lawyer's job is to be a psychopomp, guiding the damned soul through the underworld of the System, because they already confessed at the scene or were otherwise caught in the act. If I'm charging by the hour, I will try to make efficient use of the client's resources by not making pointless (but remunerative) gestures.

ETA: Obv, tell the client what options there are, why you don't think they have a likelihood of success, and get their approval/grudging acceptance.
 
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failson-lawguy said:
yes, and honestly it is so much worse in a PD because generally its either fresh law school people or PD lifers (myself included) who have an inflated sense of vague "justice" they're upholding, and often are cursed with delusional lib shit about the importance of activism in law.
Like, literally the grand majority of people in this profession aren't going to make a difference in the grand scheme of "the law", and operating under that delusion just makes you insane after a while and completely distorts the true objective of the work, which is mostly advising people on existing legal principles and working through the maze of it in a way that is most beneficial to them. Activist lawyers are at best only interested in themselves and hide behind the veil of progressively changing the legal profession and society as a whole through it, and at worst completely buy into their own bullshit
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Almost every activist fringe lawyer I went to school with began in various PD offices. They've helped to erode the reputation of PDs from "they're just overworked and underpaid so they're going to do their best but don't expect much" to "PDs are actively insane and will hang you out to dry if it means they can shitpost on twitter about the case later."

Alexander Hamilton said:
Activist lawyers need to get elected to the legislature and change the law the proper way. It is not the job of the courts to do the sorts of things they want them to do. The courts were never intended to have the final say, hence why we can amend the constitution or otherwise pass laws as a direct response to judicial decisions.
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Alternatively, they need to be failed out of law school or corrected by their professors before being sent to practice and becoming a burden for the rest of us to bear. But we all know it is functionally impossible to fail law school if you show up because of the dire need for most institutions to harvest your tuition after the attendance crashes of the late 2000s, and if you actually attend your Barbri/Kaplan lessons you *will* pass the UBE.
 
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Thomas Talus said:
95% of the time a criminal defense lawyer's job is to be a psychopomp, guiding the damned soul through the underworld of the System, because they already confessed at the scene or were otherwise caught in the act. If I'm charging by the hour, I will try to make efficient use of the client's resources by not making pointless (but remunerative) gestures.
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this is why i honestly love my job, like yeah i'm underpaid and overloaded with cases most of the time, but it does feel rewarding to be there at the worst moment of someone's life and help them work through it even if they're shitheads. I can't imagine getting attached to a case and flounder through pointless legal challenges the way I've seen some fringe PD's do, because it's just not worth it and frankly could be worse for a client than just going through the labyrinth.
 
failson-lawguy said:
Activist lawyers are at best only interested in themselves and hide behind the veil of progressively changing the legal profession and society as a whole through it, and at worst completely buy into their own bullshit
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I have a general rule of thumb that the more visible and more aggressively a lawyer self-promotes themselves, the less competent they typically are. I think there are plenty of attorneys that do thankless work for little pay under what could be considered "public interest" work that don't fit that description, but the loudest and most self-serving of that group are those who are often given the lion's share of attention.
Alexander Hamilton said:
The courts were never intended to have the final say, hence why we can amend the constitution or otherwise pass laws as a direct response to judicial decisions.
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I get what you mean, but that isn't exactly true given that the United States was strongly based off English common law wherein the courts in fact did have the final say and created (or "discovered" if you prefer) law. The comprehensive statutory scheme we have today is a relatively modern concept.
Learned Hand said:
Almost every activist fringe lawyer I went to school with began in various PD offices. They've helped to erode the reputation of PDs from "they're just overworked and underpaid so they're going to do their best but don't expect much" to "PDs are actively insane and will hang you out to dry if it means they can shitpost on twitter about the case later."
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More than that, those types love to use the PD title as a way to lord over other attorneys how supposedly noble and purehearted they are when compared to government and biglaw attorneys.
 
TherapyMan said:
More than that, those types love to use the PD title as a way to lord over other attorneys how supposedly noble and purehearted they are when compared to government and biglaw attorneys.
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Lmao at the people who are like this. The noble job of half-heartedly pleading with a prosecutor that a guy on his third DUI deserves probation. It's just not a competition, everyone is working in the same legal profession, if in different practice areas, and everyone who is a lawyer has to do things that they think are morally wrong, it's just about personal preference and what you vibe with. I tried a larger firm, didn't like it, tried PD work, liked it, and anyone who claims a deontological victory in how good their work is, is generally carrying a crock of shit and serious inferiority complex
 
Well, Chris had his first court appearance and he sperged out.

https://kiwifarms.is/threads/chris-court-appearance.97262/#post-9662338

Some choice quotes:

Consolvo said it’s clear that people sought out where Chandler was staying at a hotel in Henrico and videotaped her arrest. Chandler interrupted the proceedings saying “I’m famous on the internet” loudly, and then Heilberg told her not to speak until spoken to by the court.

Judge Barredo told Chandler that there are two things to consider when deciding bond: whether a defendant is likely to appear at trial and if the defendant constitutes an unreasonable danger to himself, his family or his community. Chandler again interrupted the judge saying “she.” The judge said he was reading from the state statute itself.

Heilberg told the court he would be asking for evaluations of Chandler, who interrupted by stomping her feet and saying loudly that she needed “to get everything back home.” She then said loudly, “I won’t feel safe proceeding until” she gets the items back.
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Buck up buckaroos. He's being held without bail until his prelim on Sept. 16th. Superlolyer spotted.
 
break these cuffs said:
Well, Chris had his first court appearance and he sperged out.

https://kiwifarms.is/threads/chris-court-appearance.97262/#post-9662338



Buck up buckaroos. He's being held without bail until his prelim on Sept. 16th. Superlolyer spotted.
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Okay. So. He's been before a judge and the charge is holding. Barb has therefore clearly not denied him banging her or it would have been dismissed by now, I can't conceive of a prosecutor pushing forward with an uncooperative victim. Either she's a veggie or is lucid and didn't deny what he did.
 
break these cuffs said:
Well, Chris had his first court appearance and he sperged out.

https://kiwifarms.is/threads/chris-court-appearance.97262/#post-9662338



Buck up buckaroos. He's being held without bail until his prelim on Sept. 16th. Superlolyer spotted.
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This uhhh looks really really bad for Chris. If this is how he's behaving at arraignment, I cannot imagine how much worse this behavior will get by prelim hearings and trial. Hoping that Heilberg can adequately advise Chris against these types of outbursts, but almost certainly can't, and I wish him all the best in the defense he mounts.
 
break these cuffs said:
Well, Chris had his first court appearance and he sperged out.

https://kiwifarms.is/threads/chris-court-appearance.97262/#post-9662338



Buck up buckaroos. He's being held without bail until his prelim on Sept. 16th. Superlolyer spotted.
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Honestly, could have gone much worse. Most judges are used to dealing with defendants with mental issues and his outbursts were relatively minor. Not saying it went great, it's not a good sign he's not displaying appropriate decorum and that he doesn't seem to realize the severity of what's going on.
 
failson-lawguy said:
This uhhh looks really really bad for Chris. If this is how he's behaving at arraignment, I cannot imagine how much worse this behavior will get by prelim hearings and trial. Hoping that Heilberg can adequately advise Chris against these types of outbursts, but almost certainly can't, and I wish him all the best in the defense he mounts.
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The brevity of the arraignment process saved his ass, he was about to start spouting some straight up goddess nonsense.
 
Learned Hand said:
They've helped to erode the reputation of PDs from "they're just overworked and underpaid so they're going to do their best but don't expect much" to "PDs are actively insane and will hang you out to dry if it means they can shitpost on twitter about the case later."
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Notable bald douchebag T. Greg Doucette was literally tweeting about one of his clients' cases in such a way as to dox them and discuss att'y/client privileged strategy like an absolute tard. Of course he's too incompetent even for a PD's office but he's definitely in the "actively insane" category.
TheBigZee said:
Wonder what's involved in Va. to get Chris drugged into a stupor.
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A finding that he's incompetent to stand trial would generally result in him being hospitalized until (and if) he becomes competent to stand trial after treatment including the possibility of medication or therapy. Note, that's a different test than not guilty by reason of insanity and is very, very low. You just have to be able to participate meaningfully in your defense. So if you realize you're in a court and not on a space ship or some shit you probably qualify. That is hyperbole but not by much.
 
Meh, could have been worse (for Chris). They're mainly wanting evaluations before considering bond motions. That's reasonable and a good way to keep him away from his mother in the absence of an EPO.

The judge has seen and heard a lot worse (and crazier). And don't discount people acting crazy when accused of a major crime to try and "build a case" for their attempt to show they're incompetent.
 
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