Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

[General Tug Boat]

Considering the likelihood of the backlog of cases, it is pretty likely that Chris is not going to end up doing the pretrial steps immediately. Though, I find it is pretty likely that he is going to end up shooting himself if the foot if they end up deciding to interview him. Though I do understand that it is not likely the recorded audio will be used, though it is an important piece of evidence if somehow Chris manages to follow proper legal counsel, and not incriminate himself in the interview process. Would the audio tape be nullfied because of the tampering? Unless the medical examination proves Chris did it, which I don't think we are really going to know until the pretrial actually begins, then I think all that is really had currently is the text messages, and whatever beans Chris decides to spill when interviewed.

I do think his mental state will be factored into whether or not an interview will be conducted. I think it is likely that unless they will put Chris under some form of evaluation. Whether or not he actually fulfils the criteria of the interview based on how he embellishes facts, and how in touch with reality he truly is, which I find to be very questionable. More than likely the medical examination will be pivotal.

He would be wise to take a plea bargain in this case, especially considering that there is a high probability that he did engage in the act, and as well despite his mental faculties being questioned. He was indeed aware of the crime, though what constitutes intent in this instance? Clearly he understands the actions he was performing, but in his medical history of the autism card is played, then his understanding of the results can be questioned. So in regards of fulfilling the criteria of his mental state during the crime taking place, would his understanding of the result of the crime have any bearing on the charge in regards of sexual assault? Either way Chris was competent enough in commiting the act that he was gloating about it. So maybe that could be used to determine whether or not he is capable of at least the sexual assault charges stick. Incest seems to be the main charge that they are going to stick with, at least before he gets acquitted. Though the elder abuse being another factor makes this case look very grim for Chris.

 

[TheBigZee]

Ah, the good ol’ Teflon Tard card. Yeah, I think I’ve heard about that!

Arrested while not being oriented means the treatment isn't working. Willfull noncompliance means skipping injections. It's an admission on the part of the state that using the criminal system to determine if someone is a threat to self or others is imperfect. Someone walking out of a store with poster board because god said they needed to street preach while on diversion needs more intensive treatment. They're trying.

Chris has been through numerous of these before. In each case the result was the same: Yes he is!

Chris is lazy as fuck and likes to play pretend on Twitter, but he’s capable of functioning like an adult on his own. He just chooses not to.

If he did, you can be sure he’d pull of stuff way crazier and dumber than what he usually does.

As for as Chris’s ability to make decisions for himself, he’s certainly capable of it. Unfortunately it’s usually really dumb decisions.

You know these are all features of autism. This boils down to those dumb decisions. Chris talks like a normal person, and in some ways he is a normal person that should be held to normal standards (like don't fuck your mom). In other ways you're talking with koko the signing gorilla. Chris *may* (I stress may) be neurodivergent enough that his brain is going to come to a bad decision 80% of the time. A guardianship evaluation is going to determine if he should be allowed to keep making dumb decisions on his behalf.

Nope. Chris isn’t getting institutionalized, no matter how many times Twitter faggots argue that “He thinks he’s a god!”

(Protip: Chris knows he’s not a god. He just likes to play make believe.)

Chris is autistic, not mentally ill. He doesn't need to be in a mental hospital. He isn't criminally insane. If Chris needs anything, it's the degree to which he needs normal people looking over his shoulder. He's repugnant enough that his extended family isn't going to do that for him.

The “structured living environment” Chris deserves is pulling weeds or turnips or whatever 8 hours a day with @AnOminous cracking a whip over his head anytime he stops to complain he’s not allowed to play with Legos instead.

Prison is also a structured living environment. It's an institution. I think it's an OK outcome if he winds up in prison. From how I've seen most autistic people like Chris live, it's preferable to leaving him in an apartment he's going to lose because it's infested with roaches and bed bugs, and covered with trash. He'll also be off the internet. Outside of the deep, deep south prisons for non violent offenders aren't total shitholes. Idiots will probably write him and put money on his commissary account.

Chris is fully capable of living like an independent adult (especially if he gets a support team not willing to put up with BS for a transition period.)

Chris definitely needs SSI. You acknowledge he needs a support team. That's two strikes against living like an independent adult. From someone that's been on those support teams, I feel pretty certain that Chris would do best in a group home. I do not claim to know if he needs a legal guardian, but I hope it's considered - unless he's going to prison in which case it doesn't matter.

Chris jusy chooses not to be an adult, which is a different thing entirely.

That can be a result of autism, and no amount of coaching or consequences may change it. Same with serious mental illness.

Chris raped his mom. I'm not advocating that he get a teflon tard card. I'm saying prison might *actually* be in his best interest. If the state isn't going to put him in prison, then they need to make sure someone is looking over his shit because of his autism.

 

[AnOminous]

Chris is autistic, not mentally ill. He doesn't need to be in a mental hospital. He isn't criminally insane.

He literally doesn't realize you're not allowed to fuck your mom.

 

[Oklahome]

I registered solely to ask this question: Is it possible Chris will luck into an actual legal defense? Any PD is going to pressure him incredibly hard to take a plea deal. Even if Chris was innocent, they would still do that. But I have heard of people getting an extremely discounted or free private legal defenses in highly publicized cases. Attorneys like publicity. For example, Ted Bundy got John Henry Browne.

Chris's crimes will not be as publicized as Ted Bundy's. And this is not a death penalty case, by any means. But if it goes to trial, it will definitely be a fixture in the local news, and possibly have some appearances in the national news. It will certainly be a big deal on twitter. Is there any possibility of him lucking into a lawyer, solely based on that?

 

[Criminal Stupidity]

He literally doesn't realize you're not allowed to fuck your mom.

Yet he was evasive about revealing who his new boyfriend-free girl was even in private and tried to be an autistic Riddler about it. He no doubt personally believes he's done nothing wrong because he's Chris, but that sounds to me like someone who knew they were doing something which wasn't socially acceptable either.

 

[Uncle Meat]

Chris definitely needs SSI. You acknowledge he needs a support team. That's two strikes against living like an independent adult. From someone that's been on those support teams, I feel pretty certain that Chris would do best in a group home. I do not claim to know if he needs a legal guardian, but I hope it's considered - unless he's going to prison in which case it doesn't matter.

How does being on the sexual offender's list affect acceptance into a group home? Are there group homes for severely autistic sex offenders? I can't see dropping Chris in with regular autistic people. It wouldn't be safe for them.

 

[Mason Verger]

Yet he was evasive about revealing who his new boyfriend-free girl was even in private and tried to be an autistic Riddler about it. He no doubt personally believes he's done nothing wrong because he's Chris, but that sounds to me like someone who knew they were doing something which wasn't socially acceptable either.

He’s also publicly advocated for mother/son incest before.. on fucking Facebook if I recall.. and has commented on at least one incest legal case. So right there, he’s documented on having read an article about the illegality mother/son incest and how he personally disagreed with being against the law.

 

[Criminal Stupidity]

He’s also publicly advocated for mother/son incest before.. on fucking Facebook if I recall.. and has commented on at least one incest legal case. So right there, he’s documented on having read an article about the illegality mother/son incest and how he personally disagreed with being against the law.

Yeah, I've been bitching about this for ages and it's why I don't get why anyone didn't see this coming. What he actually said was much worse than simply advocating for it in some abstract way, too - he specifically cited his own experiences as a child and how he thinks a child's development would benefit from them being raped by their parents, suggesting to me it's a scenario that he's considered in a context of him being personally involved. Essentially, if he wishes a parent had fucked him as a child, what could he have done had he somehow succeeded in having children of his own?

That's veering off into wild speculation territory and nothing that a court would permit ever consideration, I know, but it goes to show Chris is a fundamentally twisted human being.

 

[failson-lawguy]

if chris were to be convicted of incest and barb not tried could this be appealed to the constitional courts alleging prejudice on grounds of age/gender/disability on the court's part?

absolutely not, prosecutorial discretion allows prosecutors basically unlimited dominion over who they charge with conduct. Furthermore, Virginia loosely follows an insane common law doctrine called Wharton's Rule where, if a criminal act necessarily requires two people to create it, e.g., bigamy, incest, statutory rape, dueling, etc. generally only one of the parties can be charged with the underlying conduct. This has been limited/interpreted in Ramsey v. Commonwealth 343 SE 2D 465 (1986) which specifically applies it to crimes with a necessary "plurality of agents", which in this case would certainly apply (if barb consented at all, though my money is still on a rape/elder abuse charge being attached)

Also you don't get representation on appeal in the same way that you get representation in a criminal proceeding (barring getting Capital Punishment which IIRC gives one free appellate level review) granted by the state, instead you have to hire your own, or mount your own appellate argument, both of which seem highly unlikely for Chris to coherently do.

 

[Mason Verger]

Yeah, I've been bitching about this for ages and it's why I don't get why anyone didn't see this coming. What he actually said was much worse than simply advocating for it in some abstract way, too - he specifically cited his own experiences as a child and how he thinks a child's development would benefit from them being raped by their parents, suggesting to me it's a scenario that he's considered in a context of him being personally involved. Essentially, if he wishes a parent had fucked him as a child, what could he have done had he somehow succeeded in having children of his own?

That's veering off into wild speculation territory and nothing that a court would permit ever consideration, I know, but it goes to show Chris is a fundamentally twisted human being.

I can see it being submitted to counteract the “Chris doesn’t know incest is illegal” defense. It’s a public post, probably still up somewhere.

 

[failson-lawguy]

Yet he was evasive about revealing who his new boyfriend-free girl was even in private and tried to be an autistic Riddler about it. He no doubt personally believes he's done nothing wrong because he's Chris, but that sounds to me like someone who knew they were doing something which wasn't socially acceptable either.

Chris' pittsburg pirate's riddle lives rent free in my mind, and may be the origin point of the underappreciated autistic-riddler saga

 

[KungPowChimkum]

He literally doesn't realize you're not allowed to fuck your mom.

Yes he does. There's a reason why he was so elusive and tacit with Null in their DMs yet he was so colorful and detailed when talking to Bella and the other weens. Chris knows what he did was not correct and he purposely held information to specific people based on who he thought were the ones that would keep the secret.

Being abysmally autistic, Chris chose to spill the beans to the very trolls that were trying to shovel some shit to throw at the internet. And now here we are.

 

[Chris Incest Throwaway]

I can see it being submitted to counteract the “Chris doesn’t know incest is illegal” defense. It’s a public post, probably still up somewhere.

Not knowing something is illegal isn't a defense anyway. There's a legal adage that goes "ignorance of the law is no excuse".

 

[failson-lawguy]

regardless of where Chris falls in the spectrum of mens rea on fucking his mom, incest is kind of a strict liability, generally only requiring a knowledge that you are indeed having sex with a family member. Furthermore, as much fun as Chris has given us, I think that there's an argument to be made, not in any legal sense, but just in a general ethical sense, that Chris is a sexual terrorist and should be closely scrutinized and probably placed in some sort of detention from society at large.

 

[Alexander Hamilton]

Also you don't get representation on appeal in the same way that you get representation in a criminal proceeding (barring getting Capital Punishment which IIRC gives one free appellate level review) granted by the state, instead you have to hire your own, or mount your own appellate argument, both of which seem highly unlikely for Chris to coherently do.

This varies by jurisdiction. I know of at least one State where if the public defenders are representing you at trial, and you want to appeal, you get them on appeal as well even on nom capital cases.

 

[lambdadelta]

How does being on the sexual offender's list affect acceptance into a group home? Are there group homes for severely autistic sex offenders? I can't see dropping Chris in with regular autistic people. It wouldn't be safe for them.

Slight pl, but used to work as a tardguard and we had one house specifically for prior sex offending clients. No female staff allowed to work there. Not in VA though so idk

 

[Criminal Stupidity]

Yes he does. There's a reason why he was so elusive and tacit with Null in their DMs yet he was so colorful and detailed when talking to Bella and the other weens. Chris knows what he did was not correct and he purposely held information to specific people based on who he thought were the ones that would keep the secret.

I'm kind of curious to know how @Null would have handled this if there was no ILJ angle and Chris had confessed his incestuous behaviour strictly to him. Would it have erupted more or less into the same debacle and threads raging now, or would it have just been a comparatively quiet submission to the relevant authorities? I'm positive Chris going to jail always would have come out eventually, one way or another.

 

[failson-lawguy]

Also a fun thing that might be relevant if a rape charge is filed is that Virginia has a statute allowing the state to indefinitely detain violent sex offenders through civil committment. We'll probably have to wait and see how Chris' case is treated, if there is a rape case, and if DOC determines likelyhood of reoffense but honestly that might be the absolute best thing for Chris considering he cannot conform his behavior to social norms and is a habitual sexual pest.

 

[Alexander Hamilton]

Also a fun thing that might be relevant if a rape charge is filed is that Virginia has a statute allowing the state to indefinitely detain violent sex offenders through civil committment. We'll probably have to wait and see how Chris' case is treated, if there is a rape case, and if DOC determines likelyhood of reoffense but honestly that might be the absolute best thing for Chris considering he cannot conform his behavior to social norms and is a habitual sexual pest.

They do. You can read about it here: https://www.oag.state.va.us/divisio...y/sexually-violent-predators-civil-commitment

Chris almost certainly doesn't qualify. It's a high bar to put someone away indefinitely even after they've served their time. If you're interested, some dude from Texas wrote a pretty good account of what goes into actually getting it done in their jurisdiction:

Coming to a courtroom near you: sexually violent predators | Texas District & County Attorneys Association

Imagine that it’s 8 o’clock Monday morning. Sitting on your desk is a stack of about a hundred documents with a cover letter that reads, “Pursuant to Texas Health & Safety Code §841.023(b)…

www.tdcaa.com

 

[Mason Verger]

Also a fun thing that might be relevant if a rape charge is filed is that Virginia has a statute allowing the state to indefinitely detain violent sex offenders through civil committment. We'll probably have to wait and see how Chris' case is treated, if there is a rape case, and if DOC determines likelyhood of reoffense but honestly that might be the absolute best thing for Chris considering he cannot conform his behavior to social norms and is a habitual sexual pest.

The thing is, even Chris own HIGHLY idealized account of the event is goddamn horrific and totally reads like a cut and dry forced sexual assault. And that’s his own “romantic” version. Imagine the heinous details that’ll come out the prosecutors case. A judge isn’t gonna have our latent fondness for classic Chris, they’re gonna have an unrepentant, cross dressing, predatory, mother raper with an extensive violent criminal background in front of them. They have zero reason to cut him any slack, and a mountain of reasons to think he’d reoffend.