Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

[One Man Bland]

THIS HORSE DOESN'T LOOK DEAD ENOUGH. HIT IT SOME MORE.

Report: Disney Requires Theaters to Show Captain Marvel During Avengers: Endgame's Thursday Preview - Bounding Into Comics

Disney is requiring theaters to show both Captain Marvel and Avengers: Endgame on Thursday night, April 25.

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Jesus Christ, for a movie that made a billion at the box office they seem awfully insecure about its success. Not releasing Dumbo until after Endgame at least makes sense considering how badly it’s being panned by critics already, but CM had been out for, what, a month at this point?

Also Fiege’s insisting that audiences are going to love Brie as she takes the center stage while the the main stays people have been following for years take a back seat is sounding really desperate at this point. Doesn’t help that every interview I’ve seen with her she acts like she’s the star of the show and will be the most specialist and beloved character in the history of superheroes.

No wonder none of the other cast members seem to like her.

 

[damian]

@KillThemCrackasBabies We reached Stage 5: Acceptance (kinda):

THIS HORSE DOESN'T LOOK DEAD ENOUGH. HIT IT SOME MORE.

Report: Disney Requires Theaters to Show Captain Marvel During Avengers: Endgame's Thursday Preview - Bounding Into Comics

Disney is requiring theaters to show both Captain Marvel and Avengers: Endgame on Thursday night, April 25.

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........why?

 

[StarkRavingMad]

THIS HORSE DOESN'T LOOK DEAD ENOUGH. HIT IT SOME MORE.

Report: Disney Requires Theaters to Show Captain Marvel During Avengers: Endgame's Thursday Preview - Bounding Into Comics

Disney is requiring theaters to show both Captain Marvel and Avengers: Endgame on Thursday night, April 25.

boundingintocomics.com

It still hasn't quite topped Wonder Woman domestically at the box office. I guarantee that's why Disney is still pushing it this late during its theatrical run. Gross. You know what's not very feminist, Disney? Pitting two women against each other ...

I can't wait to see how a Captain Marvel sequel does, now that these Avengers movies are done. Nobody can tell me with a straight face that this movie's success isn't because it was sandwiched in between two of the biggest movies in the MCU (or even the decade, for that matter).

Wonder Woman ended up being a massive success despite being a followup to two DC/WB movie TRAINWRECKS (Batman V Superman and Suicide Squad). That speaks volumes about the movie's quality, I'd say. I'm very much looking forward to Wonder Woman 1984 ... Not so much with Captain Marvel 2.

 

[That Chris Guy]

Jesus Christ, for a movie that made a billion at the box office they seem awfully insecure about its success. Not releasing Dumbo until after Endgame at least makes sense considering how badly it’s being panned by critics already, but CM had been out for, what, a month at this point?

Unfortunately, Disney probably considers Dumbo a minor success of its own - it's earned about the same amount of money as Shazam!, which is almost certainly dead in the water now that Endgame is arriving to dominate the big screen for the next few months. I hope WB doesn't consider it a failure though

 

[Tookie]

I saw Endgame earlier and she has a very minor role in it. I think Kate from Lost gets nearly as much screentime as Brie does.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

I saw Endgame earlier and she has a very minor role in it. I think Kate from Lost gets nearly as much screentime as Brie does.

MUH INSIDERS WERE RIGHT THE RUSSOS SLASHED ALL HER PARTS OUT RE-CASTING IMMINENT!!!!

 

[Tookie]

Oddly enough, her scenes in Endgame seem very much in line with Larson's real life persona. She talks a lot of shit about how great she is only to accomplish very little. One scene seemed like a fake-out aimed at people worried she was going to swoop in and save the day.

 

[That Chris Guy]

Oddly enough, her scenes in Endgame seem very much in line with Larson's real life persona. She talks a lot of shit about how great she is only to accomplish very little. One scene seemed like a fake-out aimed at people worried she was going to swoop in and save the day.

Spoiler: SPOILER QUESTION

So who dies?

 

[Tookie]

Spoiler: READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!

So who dies?

Spoiler: MEGA SPOILER

Spoiler: WHO DIES IN ENDGAME

Tony Stark sacrifices himself to dust the bad guys and Thanos. Black Widow offs herself so they can get the soul stone. Captain America doesn't die but is out of the mix permanently. Anyone who died prior to the snap (Loki, Vision, etc.) is still dead.

 

[That Chris Guy]

Spoiler: MEGA SPOILER

Spoiler

Tony Stark sacrifices himself to bring everyone back. Black Widow offs herself so they can get the soul stone. Captain America doesn't die but is out of the mix permanently.

Spoiler: CONTAINS SPOILERS

Spoiler: I WARNED YOU

I would have been happier with Cap dying as well, but Black Widow dying is also something I am okay with (never really cared for her).

Thus far I am okay with this. Might turn out to be a good movie after all when I see it, but it's still my exit for the MCU.

 

[Tookie]

Might turn out to be a good movie after all when I see it, but it's still my exit for the MCU.

That's pretty much where I'm at and this seems like a good conclusion for the MCU stuff. I'll watch some of them off and on, but this was a neat little wrap-up to the ongoing story they had been setting up.

Spoiler

The end credits even showcased the original Avengers and have little signatures from the actors on the screen. This felt pretty conclusory.

 

[AnAspieWithAVengeance]

Spoiler: MEGA SPOILER

Spoiler: WHO DIES IN ENDGAME

Tony Stark sacrifices himself to dust the bad guys and Thanos. Black Widow offs herself so they can get the soul stone. Captain America doesn't die but is out of the mix permanently. Anyone who died prior to the snap (Loki, Vision, etc.) is still dead.

So from these two films we've lost

Spoiler: SPOILERS BITCH!!!

Iron Man, Captain America, Black Widow, Vision, Loki.

For sure the Fantastic Four & X Men are coming in the next few years. No doubt.

 

[Chester Rigby]

Personally, I’d have saved her for after Endgame. Tell a smaller story, maybe tie her in with already-seen characters and settings from the cosmic MCU so we don’t need to explain everything to the audience. Concentrate on turning her from a soldier to a hero. Introduce the Kree, with the Skrulls as minor secondary bad guys. Then in the sequel, reveal she’s from Earth, the Kree are bad, the Skrulls are good, and give her a power boost.

Characters like Thor, Cap and Iron Man feel like they’ve earned the right to take centre stage because we’ve seen them develop slowly over several movies. With Captain Marvel, it just feels like they’re saying “Hey! Remember how everything Cap believed in was a lie? Remember how Stark fucked up all those times? How Thor lost everything? Well, she’s had that as well!”

Man, I really hope they don’t have her be the one to kill Thanos, but...

Adam Warlock should have been in her place. He was hinted already, ffs.

 

[Prompt Critical]

Wonder Woman ended up being a massive success despite being a followup to two DC/WB movie TRAINWRECKS (Batman V Superman and Suicide Squad). That speaks volumes about the movie's quality, I'd say. I'm very much looking forward to Wonder Woman 1984 ... Not so much with Captain Marvel 2.

I understand Wonder Woman doing extremely well on the heels of two weak DC performers is the common narrative, but it's not anywhere close to the truth. Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad both had significantly larger opening weekends than Wonder Woman (166 million and 133 million respectively, compared to WW's 103 million), and Batman v. Superman has a higher reported total gross (874 million compared to 822 million) even today.

Wonder Woman probably came out ahead in net profit because it had a lower production budget (no extensive reshoots) and a higher percentage of its global box office take was domestic sales, but most of the alleged success of Wonder Woman relative to previous DC films was critical rather than commercial.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I understand Wonder Woman doing extremely well on the heels of two weak DC performers is the common narrative, but it's not anywhere close to the truth. Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad both had significantly larger opening weekends than Wonder Woman (166 million and 133 million respectively, compared to WW's 103 million), and Batman v. Superman has a higher reported total gross (874 million compared to 822 million) even today.

Wonder Woman probably came out ahead in net profit because it had a lower production budget (no extensive reshoots) and a higher percentage of its global box office take was domestic sales, but most of the alleged success of Wonder Woman relative to previous DC films was critical rather than commercial.

The Last Jedi made over a billion dollars. Solo: A Star Wars Story, a movie that followed it, bombed. Many argue that's because The Last Jedi pissed off so many people. Public reception to a movie can be seen with the sequel/or whatever franchise movie follows up with it.

Batman V Superman turned out being a financial disappointment because of the huge dropoff it had at the box office following opening weekend. It never made a billion dollars, and even WB agrees that a billion should have been a very easy feat; they view the film as a critical AND financial failure. And while Suicide Squad had a bigger opening weekend than Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman outperformed it by roughly $75-80 million at both the domestic and foreign box offices ... And I think that's because word of mouth about the movie's quality spread. Wonder Woman's movie had what many people call "long legs" at the box office, whereas that was not the case for Batman V Superman at all. And I'd say that Suicide Squad was a more successful movie than Batman V Superman solely because people wanted to see The Joker and Harley Quinn, and because the movie was cleverly catered to "edgy" teenagers. Everyone I know who saw Suicide Squad said it was terribad, and that they were done with DC movies ... And then they ended up seeing Wonder Woman anyway because word of mouth spread about how good the movie was.

Also, you know ... Batman V Superman and Suicide Squad were failures with the critics and with public opinion. If these movies had been so successful, don't you think Warner Bros. would be continuing the DCEU? Don't you think they wouldn't be trying to take a course correction for Suicide Squad 2?

What I'm trying to say is: Wonder Woman was a successful movie because it was a GOOD movie, and it certainly wasn't with the help of the DCEU movies that came before it (because those movies are just ... The worst, lol). If Wonder Woman had been just a mediocre movie, I guarantee it wouldn't have had anywhere near the same success. Wonder Woman needed to prove itself with audiences, and that is simply not the case with Captain Marvel. Most people saw Captain Marvel because the MCU brand is THAT strong right now.

 

[Prompt Critical]

You seem to be reading a lot of things into what I wrote that aren't there. I concluded with, "most of the alleged success of Wonder Woman relative to previous DC films was critical rather than commercial". That isn't a value judgement about the quality of the movie, just an observation.

While it seems to have been well liked by both audiences and critics, it didn't notably outperform its predecessors. The narrative of Wonder Woman as some sort of "massive success" is commonplace and it simply isn't true.

The Last Jedi made over a billion dollars. Solo: A Star Wars Story, a movie that followed it, bombed. Many argue that's because The Last Jedi pissed off so many people. Public reception to a movie can be seen with the sequel/or whatever franchise movie follows up with it.

As another observation, Justice League released just 168 days after Wonder Woman. It completely flopped with an absolutely pathetic sub-100 million opening weekend.

Wonder Woman's movie had what many people call "long legs" at the box office, whereas that was not the case for Batman V Superman at all.

Interestingly, a movie with a low opening but good holds is actually not desirable for studios, because of the way the ticket sale revenue is split between theaters and the studio. The studio receives the highest percentage of the ticket price on opening weekend or the first two weeks of showing (depending on the specific agreement), after which it moves down a sliding scale with the theater getting an increasing portion the longer the movie plays. Theaters like movies with good holds, but studios would prefer a movie that has a huge opening, so in the eyes of the studio Wonder Woman's "long legs" aren't really a great argument for its success relative to Batman v. Superman.

Gal Gadot's long legs are nice to look at, however.

 

[MI 814]

You seem to be reading a lot of things into what I wrote that aren't there. I concluded with, "most of the alleged success of Wonder Woman relative to previous DC films was critical rather than commercial". That isn't a value judgement about the quality of the movie, just an observation.

While it seems to have been well liked by both audiences and critics, it didn't notably outperform its predecessors. The narrative of Wonder Woman as some sort of "massive success" is commonplace and it simply isn't true.



As another observation, Justice League released just 168 days after Wonder Woman. It completely flopped with an absolutely pathetic sub-100 million opening weekend.



Interestingly, a movie with a low opening but good holds is actually not desirable for studios, because of the way the ticket sale revenue is split between theaters and the studio. The studio receives the highest percentage of the ticket price on opening weekend or the first two weeks of showing (depending on the specific agreement), after which it moves down a sliding scale with the theater getting an increasing portion the longer the movie plays. Theaters like movies with good holds, but studios would prefer a movie that has a huge opening, so in the eyes of the studio Wonder Woman's "long legs" aren't really a great argument for its success relative to Batman v. Superman.

Gal Gadot's long legs are nice to look at, however.

Here are some Reddit upvotes. Trying to use mental gymnastics to justify how Captain Marvel deserved it's success over Wonder Woman despite being objectively worse.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

As another observation, Justice League released just 168 days after Wonder Woman. It completely flopped with an absolutely pathetic sub-100 million opening weekend.



Interestingly, a movie with a low opening but good holds is actually not desirable for studios, because of the way the ticket sale revenue is split between theaters and the studio. The studio receives the highest percentage of the ticket price on opening weekend or the first two weeks of showing (depending on the specific agreement), after which it moves down a sliding scale with the theater getting an increasing portion the longer the movie plays. Theaters like movies with good holds, but studios would prefer a movie that has a huge opening, so in the eyes of the studio Wonder Woman's "long legs" aren't really a great argument for its success relative to Batman v. Superman.

Gal Gadot's long legs are nice to look at, however.

You just proved my point. Justice League had something to prove because it is a direct sequel to Batman V Superman, and the movie turned out being abysmal, and the box office reflected that ten fold. Had Batman V Superman been a better film to hype people up for Justice League, then JL's opening weekend probably would have been much more frontloaded.

It's all about expectations. When you make a movie literally starring two of the biggest superheroes of all time (Batman V Superman), and it doesn't break a billion dollars at the box office (due to massive box office drops after opening weekend) and is met with disdain from both audiences and critics, then you have a massive failure on your hands. Warner Bros. has fully admitted this, too. WB is in a current state of damage control with the DC movies and is doing a full overhaul, based on what's being released by them for the next couple of years.

Wonder Woman went into theaters as an underdog, and it was successful. It completely exceeded people's expectations, including the suits at WB with the profit it made. That is not the case whatsoever with Captain Marvel. Marvel advertised Captain Marvel as something people absolutely needed to watch before the grand finale to the biggest cliffhanger in recent cinema history, and it paid off for them big time. Captain Marvel's success doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the movie, because the MCU has become that big with Infinity War and Endgame. The DCEU hasn't ... If the DCEU isn't dead at this point, that is (looks like they're just making a bunch of solo movies now).

Another underdog was Aquaman. While I wasn't particularly crazy about that movie (it was fun to watch at home; glad I didn't see it in theaters), audiences loved it, and it broke a billion dollars at the box office despite the dire state of the DCEU. I'd say Aquaman's massive success is far more impressive than Captain Marvel's for the reasons I've already stated when comparing it to Wonder Woman.

 

[averagejane]

monica rombeau is a better character than carol imo it's a shame in mcu she's just some kid to heighten brie--I mean carol's ego.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

One scene seemed like a fake-out aimed at people worried she was going to swoop in and save the day.

I can't understand how people were sincerely concerned that that was ever going to be the case. Even with Feige's "She's gonna be the strongest guis!" shit, that people legitimately thought they were going to have her Jesus her way into the end chapter of a ten year story arc is fucking baffling.

I wonder how many people still believe that was the initial plan "Until they saw how all of us real fans rejected the Larson whore and made them rethink it!".