Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

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Are you actually going to watch this flick?

  • No

    Votes: 74 17.0%

  • Fuck, no

    Votes: 177 40.7%

  • Not in cinemas

    Votes: 81 18.6%

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 9.2%

  • (((Yes)))

    Votes: 20 4.6%

  • Twitter told me I must, I can't say no, you white-cis-sexist-oppresive scum!

    Votes: 43 9.9%
  • Total voters
    435
It should be noted that even scans_daily, not exactly a pillar of alt-right thought, had pretty mixed reactions to the CM movie.

Of course, they were already peevish over The Life of Captain Marvel retconning a good chunk of Carol's history at the expense of poor departed Mar-Vell. But the funniest part was one comment complaining that the CM movie should've been about Monica Rambeau (the light-based Captain Marvel). Good times.
 
Hilarious, this whole thread, all the youtube click baiters and virgin incels that I know, watched this damn movie in the opening weekend.

But The Last Jedi, the biggest box office of its year and one of the biggest of all time, still is a failure according to these nerds, I guess? Never change.

The same shit is happening right now, the film is a massive success, and it happened because those suckers don't know how to do anything in their miserable lives that don't involve pop culture. They are "NERDS and GEEKS" and they need to show it every single second of their lives.
 
Coleman Francis said:
Wait, did anyone even pretend like this was gonna flop? It's another Marvel superhero movie, people eat that shit up.
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Some people tried to start a campaign to make Alita more successful.

I still have no idea why people are waging culture wars over vapid corporate products, but here we are..
 
I had a thought this morning while commuting to work, would this movie have gotten received better if it was placed a few movies before its actual place in the Marvel release calendar? Maybe Carol's new-found significance to the ongoing plot would have been better received?

KillThemCrackasBabies said:
Kamala will do even better than Carol! :biggrin:
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People are rating you optimistic, but I legit think there's good material there buried under the trash.

Kamala is a competently put together character with a coherent origin that can be adapted for movies in a straightforward fashion. Compare this to Carol's convoluted and awfully-put together history and you will see why Carol couldn't really benefit from the push she got in the comics, the character is just completely flavorless, for lack of a better word.
 
neural said:
I still have no idea why people are waging culture wars over vapid corporate products, but here we are..
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It's like how nerds in school would argue endlessly about who's video game system was better except this time there are adults participating, making it even sadder.
 
RumblyTumbly said:
I thought RLM summed it up pretty well, particularly Jay.

The controversy and outrage on both sides is ridiculous. The movie hits all the beats for most Marvel movies, but does it less well than most if not all of their previous films
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As an aside, I'm seeing this kind of stance more and more often, from real political issues to pop culture nonsense like this film. It's not really a bad thing either. It indicates people are sick of the extremes and are instinctively moving away from them, trying to be more grounded and reasonable in their positions.

But I think we should be wary of assuming a default "everyone's a little bit wrong" position and assuming it's accurate. In this case, Disney, like a lot of misguided companies, is pushing dangerous, intellectually bankrupt, pointlessly divisive, tribalist identity politics bullshit for free publicity, free relevancy, and to make money. The position they're advocating for is objectively much worse than people who are mostly just tired of camouflaged "progressive" bigotry and want to push back against it. Even if some of them are taking it too far, are trying to cynically monetize it, or are using it to justify their own weird forms of mindless, partisan hatred.

I'm just saying we haven't reached the point where "the other side is just as bad/wrong/dangerous." Not even close. Identity politics is a virulent cultural cancer.
 
frozenrunner said:
I'm just saying we haven't reached the point where "the other side is just as bad/wrong/dangerous." Not even close. Identity politics is a virulent cultural cancer.
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The other side is just as bad because they need each other to survive. Do you really think a youtube channel live world class bulshitters or mauler would exist if it isn't for the SJW crusade by Disney? They are codependent and they know that.

Normal people just ignore all this shit and don't make literal careers sperging about how horrible is Marvel because of blonde woman bad.
 
frozenrunner said:
The position they're advocating for is objectively much worse than people who are mostly just tired of camouflaged "progressive" bigotry and want to push back against it. Even if some of them are taking it too far, are trying to cynically monetize it, or are using it to justify their own weird forms of mindless, partisan hatred.

I'm just saying we haven't reached the point where "the other side is just as bad/wrong/dangerous." Not even close. Identity politics is a virulent cultural cancer.
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The people on the Anti-SJW side are as bad because they rely on Disney going full SJW for their careers and likely hope they continue on this path because Anti-SJWs need opposition for their careers. Disney in turn wants them because they bring publicity to them.

They clearly aren’t just “tired” because they fucking want this sort of shit.
 
Raging Capybara said:
The other side is just as bad because they need each other to survive. Do you really think a youtube channel live world class bulshitters or mauler would exist if it isn't for the SJW crusade by Disney? They are codependent and they know that.

Normal people just ignore all this shit and don't make literal careers sperging about how horrible is Marvel because of blonde woman bad.
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Yes, those people are cynically trying to profit off of the stupid controversy. Nobody likes that, and I don't blame them. I did mention that.

But as dumb as this movie is, the issues surrounding it are not. We've reached a point were half of the species is routinely demonized like it's a reasonable, enlightened position, and that's become so "safe" that's it's being used in fucking marketing campaigns. Reasonable people should be pushing back against it. Though sadly, that's also why there's a market for "Disney is OWNED by FAN BACKLASH" clickbait videos. I don't subscribe to many YouTube channels and even I'm seeing that shit in my feed.

When I speak of "sides," I'm talking about their respective positions, not about individual people using the issues to make money. GlooberGrape had embarrassing retards on both sides of the issue, but let's not pretend there's some confusion about which side had the better positions.
 
Raging Capybara said:
The other side is just as bad because they need each other to survive. Do you really think a youtube channel live world class bulshitters or mauler would exist if it isn't for the SJW crusade by Disney? They are codependent and they know that.

Normal people just ignore all this shit and don't make literal careers sperging about how horrible is Marvel because of blonde woman bad.
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There's a balance to be had, here. I don't make YouTube videos about the same things over and over again ... But I am sick of identity politics.

I view a lot of these YouTube channels as them being opportunists. I believe you can fully criticize these channels and choose not to support them while still also believing that it's okay to express how sick you are of politics being forced into every single orifice of our lives, including the part of our lives where sane people just want to be able to sit back and ENJOY something for two hours.

I've loved the MCU since day one. They have consistently been movies that I've looked forward to, and I've enjoyed every single one of them on some level (until now). It's very disappointing that these movies are now becoming platforms for political and social agendas. These movies used to be for everyone; they were something that people of ALL opinions and backgrounds were able to sit back and enjoy together. Of course, political ideologues had to go and ruin that.

It's like the NFL: People of all political beliefs and backgrounds were able to enjoy watching the games together. Even some people with clashing politics were able to cheer for the same team(s) together, too. Then, Keapernick happened, and football hasn't been nearly as enjoyable for me to watch or to talk about with anyone anymore, and it bums me the fuck out.
 
Elwood P. Dowd said:
These fucking people ARE apparently going there. Alex Jones sashays into Nerdland.

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Disney Lying About Captain Marvel Box Office Numbers?

Fake news media reporting the wrong numbers?
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Disney Lying About Captain Marvel Box Office Numbers?
More controversy hits the net surrounding Captain Marvel as it is suggested that Disney may be faking the numbers and lying about the film's high box office reported to be $153 million domestically, with a $455.7 million global haul.

Users on social media have been posting screenshots of their local movie theaters where screenings for Captain Marvel are empty. I can also add that none of my local theaters had sold out shows, including the Thursday previews, with 3D screenings being particularly empty (that I noticed).

Conservative author Jack Posobiec, who called for the Captain Marvel boycott, posted the following video on Twitter which has received nearly 50k views, questioning, "What is going on here?"

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The video shows screenshots from Twitter users who note, "Here's my local theater on Friday night before 10:20 Captain Marvel showing. Wow!"

Another user posted, "The three Saturday evening showings for my local are almost empty. Identity politics marketing, Brie Larson, rumors of Captain Marvel being hamfisted into Endgame over established characters, it's killed any buzz ."

"I'm really not complaining but three Star Wars movies and now Captain Marvel in empty cinema. This must be how Bob Iger lives life!!" another added about the Disney CEO.





"Advantage of not working Fridays: almost empty cinemas for Captain Marvel. Hell, yes!" says another.

"Parking lot for Captain Marvel 90% empty today. Just like it was Thursday at 7 theaters I checked when the media lied and said it did $20 million. Thank u next!" another fan tweeted.

Captain Marvel box office


While it is unknown if Disney is actually lying about the box office numbers, the Hollywood trade site Deadline did fib about the flick's initial numbers when it claimed Captain Marvel brought in over $160 million in an attempt to put down the "trolls." The site also initially reported the Chinese box office numbers incorrectly as they reported it to be the #2 MCU movie in China, but it actually came in at #3 (and now it is learned it is fading fast in China). Obviously, Deadline was spinning the numbers to make Captain Marvel look a lot better than it is to create hype in an attempt to get more people to see the movie -- just like I said they were doing, while I reported the correct numbers.

Prior to the film's release also saw the movie review aggregate site Rotten Tomatoes, run by a former Disney exec, turn off users' ability to rate and comment on the movie. Rotten Tomatoes also restarted the Audience Score following Captain Marvel's release while it was at an all-time low.

I do have some friends that run large movie theaters, so I'll see if I can find any info on the Captain Marvel sales and report back.

Note: Archive brought up a Captcha screen, Outline doesn't embed the tweets this article is full of. Sorry. :(

With the inevitable YouTube "commentary" a/k/a read the article while squicking about SJWs.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_VjswSgQK-8
https://youtube.com/watch?v=RHKpDHENleY
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Well Hollywood is renowned for lying about the profitability of a film in order to...pay...more taxes?
 
Honestly, the film was fine. I enjoyed it even, despite it being predictable and the ending being pretty much a foregone conclusion since the first time they showed her neck. It was a lot less feminist than expected really. Carol works at Pegasus since it's the only job she can get, which historically is probably true, rather than them forcing her into the front lines of some war because she's just so good (note, that's not a shot a Wonder Woman, because she went regardless of needing to be told she was good), and it's not like Mar-vell was so smart because she was a woman, but because she was Kree. Even the montage of Carol standing up was more about humanity ability to pick itself up as a whole rather than being explicitly about women.

I honestly wasn't that bothered by Brie's acting anyway. Some of the quips fell flat, but that's more of a writing problem. I agree she could have been given a more emotionally driven story (like some said, her having some angst over what she did with the Kree, although I don't believe she killed anyone. Wasn't that retrieval mission her first field assignment?), but when was the last time a Marvel film was really that emotionally nuanced anyway? Yeah maybe we should demand better from our films, but not all films are gonna be of the highest calibre. The problem arises when people treat this like high art, when it just supposed to be fun.

I actually didn't like the cat. It was stupid. Got a chuckle the first time, but seemed like a weird addition really.
 
Clark Glegg defending CM is so ironic. TBH I had to look up who he is, he played Agent Cookson who I thought was played by Kevin Spacy since they look the same - explains why Clark is also irrelevant and creepy looking
 
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