Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

[Night Owl]

So if we want movies to get better for everyone, the playing field has to be leveled a bit, and that means I want a ton more totally fine, borderline bad, madly mediocre movies by and about women.

I'm sure there have been a ton of mediocre and bad movies made by/about women in the past. You just don't hear about them because most people don't want to waste time watching terrible movies.

 

[Hatoful Dandy]

When the cultural Marxism is so strong that you aspire for your tribe to have shares even in the things that aren't great.

Two years from now they'll be crowing about how much women are underrepresented in the perpetration of rape and other violent crimes, and how bad it is that women aren't committing more sexual assaults.

There were actually a few dingbats that REEE'd at the fact that Weinstein mostly targeted white women and not enough STRONG POC wammin, IIRC.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Also, CM2 will no longer have "First Female Led MCU Superhero movie" to use to hype itself with.

Didn't stop them ever before to market any kind of "minority" cast to be "the first" or "the most important" representation ever.
If you're only going by the Disney-financed buzz in news outlets, you'd think up till Black Panther, every black role ever before was done by a white guy with shoe-polish rubbed on his face.
You underestimate the Doublethink abilities of the Disneydrones, I'd say.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Don't worry guys, this'll flop just like Sol... oh...

 

[friedshrimp]

Kamala will do even better than Carol!

I actually quite like her but if her movie is gonna be some "let the refugees in, religion of peace, accept us you dirty islamophobe" propaganda I'm out.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

So if we want movies to get better for everyone, the playing field has to be leveled a bit, and that means I want a ton more totally fine, borderline bad, madly mediocre movies by and about women.

Ah yes, the bigotry of low expecations.
"It's okay if the movie turns out borderline bad... after all, you're just a girl, we can't expect better from you and given you being a girl that makes this movie actually good compared to your skills. Geez, don't you feel amazingly supported and empowered by me?"

 

[Clem Fandango]

Wow, what a fresh twist on the "...and here's why that's a GOOD thing!" click bait headlines.

 

[BoingBoingBoi]

anybody who gives a fuck about comic book movies is exceptional and should either find something more productive to do with their time or just off themselves.

 

[Gar For Archer]

This isn’t an issue of the quality of the film, but of the film not meeting the expectations set up by the marketing.

If you have a mediocre film that doesn’t get any more “feminist” than having a female main character, maybe don’t market it as this revolutionary movie and have the lead actress say dumb provocative shit leading up to the premiere.

Wonder Woman is a prime example of how you can have an average-at-best female-led movie that is still generally well-liked. That’s because the marketing never claimed it to be anything more than a movie whose protagonist happens to be a woman.

 

[HeyYou]

The movie was honestly even less political than Black Panther, and definitely in the middle of quality movies in the MCU. I don't know why they're hyping it up to be a groundbreaking film. I guess it's in response to the culture war goobers on YouTube going crazy over the film and Brie Larson.

Wonder Woman is a prime example of how you can have an average-at-best female-led movie that is still generally well-liked. That’s because the marketing never claimed it to be anything more than a movie whose protagonist happens to be a woman.

There was that line in one of the Wonder Woman trailers that people cringed at, but otherwise, yeah. To be honest, the actual trailers for Captain Marvel didn't really set it up to be anything more than a typical Marvel flick. It was mostly people outside of Marvel.

 

[Caesare]

Don't worry guys, this'll flop just like Sol... oh...

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Wait, did anyone even pretend like this was gonna flop? It's another Marvel superhero movie, people eat that shit up.

 

[GrungyLawnChlorinate]

Ah yes, the bigotry of low expecations.
"It's okay if the movie turns out borderline bad... after all, you're just a girl, we can't expect better from you and given you being a girl that makes this movie actually good compared to your skills. Geez, don't you feel amazingly supported and empowered by me?"

Basically women should be proud of making bad films as long as they are profitable. If it were less profitable this article would be about how its all the fault of racist nazi troll dudebros. Note: may not be so easy to churn out pseudo-empowering pap if not backed by the largest entertainment corporation ever. If this was an independent film that fought hard and made a legit score I could see being proud even though the resulting movie was bland muck, but instead it's just another clone of superhero crap powered by 100s of millions of dollars of media blitz. If Captain Marvel activates your feminism then you can be assured you know nothing about feminism and are not a feminist.

 

[Hatoful Dandy]

Don't worry guys, this'll flop just like Sol... oh...

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I think Alita had a smaller marketing budget to recover...because Hollywood accounting.

 

[howyadoin]

Just watched Captain Marvel and I must say that the story itself is pretty good, but for the character herself, I don't really feel much of a struggle from her that's as impactful as suitless Spider-Man being stuck under concrete or Iron Man and Captain America's conflict. The message is also very mixed. I also loved every actor's performance but Brie's herself.

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So, the lesson is basically to be an emotional pissbaby if you want to go against the patriarchy?

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

These fucking people ARE apparently going there. Alex Jones sashays into Nerdland.

Disney Lying About Captain Marvel Box Office Numbers?

Fake news media reporting the wrong numbers?

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Disney Lying About Captain Marvel Box Office Numbers?

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More controversy hits the net surrounding Captain Marvel as it is suggested that Disney may be faking the numbers and lying about the film's high box office reported to be $153 million domestically, with a $455.7 million global haul.

Users on social media have been posting screenshots of their local movie theaters where screenings for Captain Marvel are empty. I can also add that none of my local theaters had sold out shows, including the Thursday previews, with 3D screenings being particularly empty (that I noticed).

Conservative author Jack Posobiec, who called for the Captain Marvel boycott, posted the following video on Twitter which has received nearly 50k views, questioning, "What is going on here?"

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The video shows screenshots from Twitter users who note, "Here's my local theater on Friday night before 10:20 Captain Marvel showing. Wow!"

Another user posted, "The three Saturday evening showings for my local are almost empty. Identity politics marketing, Brie Larson, rumors of Captain Marvel being hamfisted into Endgame over established characters, it's killed any buzz ."

"I'm really not complaining but three Star Wars movies and now Captain Marvel in empty cinema. This must be how Bob Iger lives life!!" another added about the Disney CEO.





"Advantage of not working Fridays: almost empty cinemas for Captain Marvel. Hell, yes!" says another.

"Parking lot for Captain Marvel 90% empty today. Just like it was Thursday at 7 theaters I checked when the media lied and said it did $20 million. Thank u next!" another fan tweeted.

While it is unknown if Disney is actually lying about the box office numbers, the Hollywood trade site Deadline did fib about the flick's initial numbers when it claimed Captain Marvel brought in over $160 million in an attempt to put down the "trolls." The site also initially reported the Chinese box office numbers incorrectly as they reported it to be the #2 MCU movie in China, but it actually came in at #3 (and now it is learned it is fading fast in China). Obviously, Deadline was spinning the numbers to make Captain Marvel look a lot better than it is to create hype in an attempt to get more people to see the movie -- just like I said they were doing, while I reported the correct numbers.

Prior to the film's release also saw the movie review aggregate site Rotten Tomatoes, run by a former Disney exec, turn off users' ability to rate and comment on the movie. Rotten Tomatoes also restarted the Audience Score following Captain Marvel's release while it was at an all-time low.

I do have some friends that run large movie theaters, so I'll see if I can find any info on the Captain Marvel sales and report back.

Note: Archive brought up a Captcha screen, Outline doesn't embed the tweets this article is full of. Sorry.

With the inevitable YouTube "commentary" a/k/a read the article while squicking about SJWs.

 

[Pargon]

I don't know why they're hyping it up to be a groundbreaking film.

You answered your own question, in a way. It's all in the name of fulfilling a prophecy they themselves made. After Black Panther was successfully marketed as doing more for black America than MLK Disney and the entertainment media clearly decided to go for woke and spin CM as doing the same for women. The hype exists because of, as well as in response to, the narrative. That's why they have to fight so hard to preserve it.

It's a shame, too, because that fight would be much easier if the film wasn't so transparently mediocre in every conceivable aspect. If it was a great film (or, at least as good as a comic book film could be) there'd be many more people willing to come to its defense, generally so if not necessarily on the grounds of feminism.

 

[Kyria the Great]

I snuck into the film with my buddy last night and my ultimate thoughts is that overall, it wasn't bad but at the same time wasn't good either. It is the kind of film that is almost good, not great due to several hackneyed attempts to Shoehorn Captain Marvel into the MCU timeline as the greatest thing ever. Forced would be the word of the day from me as everything felt like it from the "Remember the 90's" stuff, the jokes, to the shitty retcons and repaving over of some events. Though people hyping up the cat as the next best thing, Fuck the cat.


Though at the end of the day for you Kiwis that haven't seen it, my buddy best described the movie as a Phase 1 film like Thor, though without the charisma of Chris Hemsworth, though you do have the charisma of Loki in the film.

 

[Cool kitties club]

We live in a culture where female fronted/directed movies often stand out as objects of singularity. Just look at how we talk about films like “Marvel” and her ilk. The sheer lack of movies made by and about women forces each one onto a pedestal — the one film that must be 10 times greater than the average male-fronted movie, lest its creators and stars have their careers ruined because they couldn’t make The Perfect Female Movie.

You were the ones talking about it

In a smaller sense, there’s Rachel Talalay. As a director, she helmed “Freddy’s Dead: The Final Nightmare”

Well that movie is pretty terrible and that isn't all that common. I mean the directors of Super Mario Bros still don't get work becuase of how bad the movie.

This may be part of why so many are beating the “Captain Marvel” drum, even if they thought it was just okay. The anger with which some male fans react to projects like the all-female “Ghostbusters” makes it abundantly clear: Women doing things that fly in the face of patriarchal standards of femininity, or upend a previously standardized paradigm, make some men very angry.

"This movie is medoicre and overrated but if you call it that you are a sexist toxic incel virgin mra alt right reactionary capitalist gamer white male gamer nerd!"

 

[Clop]

Doesn't matter fucking shit whether the movie was good or bad, next year they're going to release the world's first movie with a female badass lead/black actor again.

The one certain thing about the entertainment industry now is that next year this year never happened. The Hollywood Groundhog never ends.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

I thought RLM summed it up pretty well, particularly Jay.

The controversy and outrage on both sides is ridiculous. The movie hits all the beats for most Marvel movies, but does it less well than most if not all of their previous films.

Personally, I'd forgive most of the film's sins if they just explained to me how she was able to use equipment she got from a RadioShack to hack into a payphone to make intergalactic phone calls. I need to see that step by step process.