Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

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Are you actually going to watch this flick?

  • No

    Votes: 74 17.0%
  • Fuck, no

    Votes: 177 40.7%
  • Not in cinemas

    Votes: 81 18.6%
  • Yes

    Votes: 40 9.2%
  • (((Yes)))

    Votes: 20 4.6%
  • Twitter told me I must, I can't say no, you white-cis-sexist-oppresive scum!

    Votes: 43 9.9%

  • Total voters
    435
Why is it that whenever Disney attempts to write "empowering" representative characters, they all end up being blander than white bread? It's either this or like the new characters from Star Wars, characters with little flaws or engaging personalities, like "oooh I'm so quirky and awkward but I never genuinely struggle during my movie, anyway you should like me just because I'm brown/ have a vagina."

Is Disney so desperate of being accused of being racist/sexist if they portray a character just a little less idealized? Because these characters just don't speak to me, I never am at the point of thinking "gee, you're interesting, I can't wait to see more of you".

It's like only Black Panther and Coco knew how to do this right.
 
Define "progressive." After all, one shorthand summary of the Chinese censors' position is "no ghosts, no gays-" they're still nominally communist, but in the classic "workers of the world unite!" way, not the "I identify as a building respect my pronouns and smash capitalism shitlord" way. And even then, it's more or less a facade for an oligarchy (or aristocracy, if you prefer) that runs the country.

One of the big things is using diversity to market your movie. Stuff like going "we're so inclusive, with blacks and latinos in prominent roles." Again, the folks who advocate for equality only to feel better about themselves. Someone of privilege who advocates for non-communist left-wing politics, often ending up as a hypocrite like talking about equality but in a way that demeans others. That the Ghostbusters reboot, how it was meant to be empowering towards women but came off as attacking men. Or how Poe was in The Last Jedi, coming across as a latino stereotype who needed to learn real "leadership" from white women in a franchise that was billing itself on it's inclusivity. Not to mention Finn being tazed being treated as a joke. Or you have the folks who advocate women in the military but not for women to be eligible for the draft. Stuff like that.

There's a perceived sense of entitlement, as well as naivety about how the world is and operates. Baizuo could also be taken as Stupid Left, and is often used in the same manner as "limosene liberals" and "SJW"
 
Do you think "Captain Marvel is like the strongest ever" is going to be the new "Black Panther is about how Africa would be a technological utopia without whites and blacks need to rise up"?

Some meme every critic thinks is in the movie but it's just them describing the fanfic they made in their head before even seeing it.
It's still cracks me up that Wakanda gets so much praise as an utopia to strive to. It's a black ethnostate. AN ETHNOSTATE. The goto response was to murder outsiders who found the place and fuck the rest of the world's problems until T'Challa became king. Wasn't a great place to be unless you were actually born there.
 
To quoth Rottentomatoes
Packed with action, humor, and visual thrills, Captain Marvel introduces the MCU's latest hero with an origin story that makes effective use of the franchise's signature formula.

Amazing that so many positive reviews I've seen are praising the movie for BEING formulaic. Not that despite following standard MCU formula it's good but that it is good because woke politics aside it hews closely to the established MCU formula.
 
To quoth Rottentomatoes

Amazing that so many positive reviews I've seen are praising the movie for BEING formulaic. Not that despite following standard MCU formula it's good but that it is good because woke politics aside it hews closely to the established MCU formula.
Especially when the MCU formula has been criticized in recent years for making the movies too samey. But really, there was someone on the SaltierthanCrait subreddit that looked into the positive reviews of The Last Jedi. Their research turned up that quite a number of reviewers that gave the movie their approval had the same criticisms as the film's detractors. Bad humor, the Casino and chase subplots, or comments about how it's closer to AotC than ESB, those kinds of things were disliked by critics but that got lost in the non-descript number. Hell, one reviewer gave the film 2/5, a failing mark, but still submitted it as fresh.

Now Rotten Tomatoes has the whole mess of protecting Captain Marvel. From removing their "want to see" feature to removing reviews they feel are from trolls. You know, they stamp the Rotten Tomatoes logo on films and TV shows to get people to buy them. Like John Wick or Supergirl had stickers saying they were certified fresh, a sign of quality. Granted, most people seem to think of a Rotten Tomatoes score as a grade. Last Jedi was an A movie with 91%, instead of 91% of critics recommended this film. Honestly, I think the reputation of the website is going to take a serious blow after this. Do we really want to trust a site that tells us to listen to 200ish professionals on whether or not to see a movie, while silencing thousands of voices who disagree? I don't, and really miss the 90's counterculture right now.
 
How far they have fallen. Remember when people who liked Suicide Squad were accusing RT of manipulating the numbers to make the movie look bad, and everyone laughed at how delusional that was? Nowadays it's much easier to believe the site would manipulate numbers.
 
Oh fuck it, here are some more things that bugged me about the movie's handling of Captain Marvel:

So she is the inspiration of the Avengers? Her nickname was used to name the team.

That's funny because I could have sworn Captain America was the FIRST Avenger. That's what his origin movie called him. He was the inspriation for Coulson and really the basis for forming SHIELD, at least in this universe. This movie is treating Captain Marvel like she is the first hero that's ever been seen in this world, and anyone who has even a passing interest in the MCU knows that isn't true because of Captain America.

And speaking of Cap (the true Cap that is), how on Earth does the Tesseract factor into this movie? I thought it was left submerged in the water with Captain America? Isn't that how they found Cap? Because they found the Tesseract? But nope! Apparently it was retrieved about a decade and a half prior to Cap being found, which raises a couple of questions for me. How did they find the Tesseract and not Cap? If they didn't find Cap with the Tesseract initially, then what made them go back to the same site to get Cap? Now this might not be a mistake as I might be remembering it wrong, so if anybody cares to correct me please, but I am very confused by the Tesseract's inclusion.

Also, I thought Fury said that Thor was the reason Shield decided to amp up the alien weapon tech that we see in the 1st Avengers film. He literally pointed to Thor and said he showed up and showed that Earth was hilariously outmatched. Oh really? That was Thor and the Asgardians. I guess Fury completely forgot about the GIANT KREE INVASION that came to Earth back in 1995. Earth wasn't prepared for that at all, and even more outmatched than they were at the time Thor showed up. So I guess we are retroactively taking away Thor being the first true alien presence to the universe from the canon. Thor was supposed to be the gateway to a whole new expansion, but nope! It was Captain Marvel. Move aside God of Thunder!

And then there is Nick Fury himself. You know, I really hate it when movies explain origins of traits for a character. Solo fell into that trap about 10 times. I don't need to know where Han came from, how he met Chewie, how he met Lando, how he got his blaster, how he claimed the Falcon, or even how he got his name (or at the very least, one story shouldn't cover ALL of those things). A little mystery goes a long way to making a character more interesting. And as much as I love Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade, and while the opening prologue is an exciting sequence, then explaining all of Indy's traits (fear of snakes, how he got the scar, first time with a whip, and how he got the hat) are completely unnecessary. Maybe just the hat, but lose all the other stuff.

That is a long winded way to say that I never needed to know how Nick Fury lost his eye. It is a trait of the character that gives him an air of mystery and allows us to imagine what Fury's life was like prior to that moment. So we never needed it, but the way they did it....just....what the fuck? So its a joke? You pull back the curtain on that part of the character's history for a joke? And he didn't even seem to care! Cat scratched his eye out and then he goes and has dinner and washes the dishes like nothing happened! Dude! Go to the hospital or something! Damn!

I guess Fury has a way different idea of what an emergency is as he didn't think to buzz Captain Marvel when Loki was running wild or when Ultron was ready to destroy the world. Call me crazy, but if I had god-lady on speed dial, she'd probably be the first person I'd call in both of those cases. Just saying. And hey, since she's the inspiration for the Avengers, wouldn't it have made sense to call her in for the first assemblage of the team? You are retroactively making your past movies mean less. Stop it!

And I have to say. Not since Neo in Matrix Reloaded have I seen action sequences with so little tension for the hero. At the film's climax, Marvel's God powers are unleashed and she has such an easy time disposing of everyone, it feels like every bad thing that every critic has ever said about Superman was just plastered right there on the screen. Excuse me for being a dickhead about this, but even the shitty Superman movies knew to give The Man of Steel obstacles to overcome that could legitimately challenge him whether it be a powerful villain like General Zod and his cohorts, a race against time with the two missiles that Lex Luthor set off, or even something stupid like Nuclear Man or the Kryptopnite Mountain. In all of those cases, good or bad, smart or dumb, there is a threat that could potentially defeat Superman. No such luck here. Captain Marvel mows over everyone so easily, I'm left to wonder what the point was. I mean I understand the hero having easy wins, but those typically come early in the story to establish their abilities and character traits (See the first two Ninja Turtles films) but those type of scenes tend to come EARLY in the story, not for the fucking climax when the drama is supposed to be at its peak! Fuck, even fucking Matrix Reloaded, which I just bashed, had to have Neo perform a race against time to save Trinity's life and there is something thematically interesting going on with the Architect (whose prophecy that Neo can't save Trinity comes to pass in the next film). FUCK, this movie is making me say nice things about The Matrix sequels. Stop it!

So to summarize, they took away from Cap, Thor, and Nick Fury all to service a boring and overpowered character. Good job Marvel.
 
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And speaking of Cap (the true Cap that is), how on Earth does the Tesseract factor into this movie? I thought it was left submerged in the water with Captain America? Isn't that how they found Cap? Because they found the Tesseract? But nope! Apparently it was retrieved about a decade and a half prior to Cap being found, which raises a couple of questions for me. How did they find the Tesseract and not Cap? If they didn't find Cap with the Tesseract initially, then what made them go back to the same site to get Cap? Now this might not be a mistake as I might be remembering it wrong, so if anybody cares to correct me please, but I am very confused by the Tesseract's inclusion.
Well at the end of Captain America in the MCU they show Howard Stark recovering it sometime when he doesn’t look that much different from the end of the movie. So that was found in the 50’s? 60’s? Early enough.
 
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It took them twelve hours and 18,000 ratings to inch up 3%. That would mean 95% of those new ratings were negative -- that is if that percentage was an average of all scores, but its the percentage of users who have rated the movie 3.5 or greater, so I don't think you can even audit their counts like you can kind of do with the critics scores (which are arguably inflated in some cases, and even in the case of one review I think RT was downright dishonest).

They list only about 720 user reviews (20 per page, 36 pages) on their site, with 300 of those beings 'want to see' comments from before the movie was released.. With so many ratings, has there really been only a few hundred reviews left there? I would think that out of the approximately 95,000 plus ratings this movie has received so far that there would be a significant amount of reviews to go with, not just ratings with no text.

Metacritic has a lot less activity, with only 2000 user ratings, and yet has more than 1000 user reviews. There's something rotten with Rotten Tomatoes' user reviews tally. That just does not jive, not with the vocal audience member coming from both sides of the divide. There should be thousands of reviews there.

I think its a safe bet that the audience score will creep up to balance out the critics score. They had to delete 50,000 user reviews and/or ratings to get there, and have been continually curating all new ratings throughout the day, so I think there is little chance that the audience score could be considered organic. Maybe they'll get it up to 60% by Monday? If they try to push it any higher than that they'll be beggaring belief for sure. Maybe they'll be another purge and the audience score will surpass the critics score!
 
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I hate The Matrix: Reloaded and Man of Steel

I liked them :-(

Even the Smith Brawl posed a unique challenge to Neo's power. He could beat them all individually, but Smith circumvented this through limitless duplication and got his punches in whenever Neo made a small slip-up. The futility against fate was a stronger element, but that fight was the only one where Neo didn't coast through it all minus a scratch (the Merovingian).
 

It was a bug guys

Rotten Tomatoes' Audience Scores is certainly not the only metric for gauging what filmgoers think of a movie. There's also CinemaScore, which is based on audience exit polling conducted opening night. Captain Marvel received an "A" CinemaScore.

Metacritic has become They Who Must Not Be Named. Rotten Tomatoes has discarded any of its crediblity it had left over Captain Marvel. I can see why they are not naming the superior Metacritic, RT's only real competitor (IMDB does not count). Metacritic is not (yet) beholden to industry dong, apparently.

"We have identified a bug in the post-release functionality for the movies that have released into theaters since our product update last week. The quantity of user ratings (which is displayed directly below the audience score and is intended to only include the quantity of users who have left a rating or written review after a movie’s release) had included both pre-release and post-release fan voting."

That still does not explain the glaring lack of comments for all of the current 37,000 ratings placed. Half of Metacritic users who rated Captain Marvel left some text as a review, compared with only 1% of Rotten Tomato users leaving any text for their Captain Marvel reviews. That smells hella funky.

As far as CinemaScore goes, they don't even provide any numbers behind their 'A' rating. 'The Last Jedi' got an A rating from them, Solo got an A-. The universally panned 'What Men Want' got an A-. All of the garbage Nu Trek movies got A ratings from them! It's safe to say that their scores can be entirely discarded.
 
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/tv/ ain't coping well. Which YouTuber will be the first to reveal that "an insider admitted that this is what they did!"? Normally I'd say Hambly but Geeks + Gamers seem like they desperately want to capitalize on all things Carol.

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/tv/ ain't coping well. Which YouTuber will be the first to reveal that "an insider admitted that this is what they did!"? Normally I'd say Hambly but Geeks + Gamers seem like they desperately want to capitalize on all things Carol.

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Some of these are shitposting though.

And wait for the next weekend before you celebrate it's success...for some reason.
 
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