Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

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Are you actually going to watch this flick?

  • No

    Votes: 74 17.0%
  • Fuck, no

    Votes: 177 40.7%
  • Not in cinemas

    Votes: 81 18.6%
  • Yes

    Votes: 40 9.2%
  • (((Yes)))

    Votes: 20 4.6%
  • Twitter told me I must, I can't say no, you white-cis-sexist-oppresive scum!

    Votes: 43 9.9%

  • Total voters
    435
If I were more talented, I would write a song listing all the bad ass women characters in film and television that have been around for almost half a century.

The idea that this concept is somehow new and that Captain Marvel is breaking new ground is just asinine to me.
 
I thought that was because the Chinese wanted to watch exotic Caucasians do stuff instead of Chinese people.

The Chinese like to watch pretty people do interesting things. The movie that beat TLJ on it's opening weekend in China was a local rom-com, after all. (Whether or not they consider black people "pretty" is an exercise I'll leave to the reader.)

I don't know if Captain Marvel is going to have that kind of weight to its writing, but the trailers make it seem like an awful lot is going on and I don't get a clear image of what kind of story it's supposed to be. Shapeshifting green people, that bad guy from Guardians of the Galaxy, young Sam Jackson, Cthulhu disguised as a kitty, something about amnesia and how Brie used to have a Top Gun backstory oh and this is also totally important to the rest of the Marvel universe so keep track of that too okay? That's a lot of stuff to tie together and make a fun, memorable movie out of.

I mean, the Skrulls are the bad guys, but they're not really in this version of Captain Marvel's weight class. So they have laser guns and can shapeshift- but what can they actually do? Looking through the credits, I don't see anyone listed that can actually challenge a version of CM that can just sail up into orbit and start dumpstering Skrull ships by herself. The Supreme Intelligence, maybe? And Ronan and Korath can't be the bad guys, since they have to survive to die in GotG. Maybe Ben Mendelsohn gets upgraded into the Super-Skrull later on?

Wonder Woman went up against a freakin' god. I'm just not seeing the actual challenge for CM here.
 
"This is the first film that made me realize women can be badass too."

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And even then.

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And there's just so many more.

I'm just tired of people shitting on the past in order to praise the present.
 
I'm just tired of people shitting on the past in order to praise the present..

You can't keep pretending to be victimized when you've already been liberated, hence why they opt for the intellectual reset.

The exact same thing happened with Black Panther - articles were saying that it was the first superhero movie to star a black lead, conveniently forgetting that Blade exists and that it was the leading Marvel movie for years before X-Men.
 
I'm probably remembering it through rose-colored glasses, but as a little girl I loved watching Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman. She' s cheesy 70's sure, but I thought she was so pretty (supporting the thought that women also like to look at beautiful heroes) AND she beat up bad guys. Little Dilligaff thought, "wow, ladies can be superheroes too!" I did not need Carl Manvers to show me that.

(Also I'm not the same race as her and it didn't matter but that's a whole other rant.)
 
If I were more talented, I would write a song listing all the bad ass women characters in film and television that have been around for almost half a century.

The idea that this concept is somehow new and that Captain Marvel is breaking new ground is just asinine to me.
Someone already has done that with video games a few years ago.
 
who is this sexism? Is he the new villain?

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My god when can we stop pretending female leads just started existing? Men don't care that you're a woman, men care that you're a cunt. I know people keeping bringing up Wonder Woman, but it's such a good point. No one was really shitting on Gal Gadot for that movie besides maybe being a little small and I guess a lack of faith in the DCU(with good reason). She didn't go around bashing men or making it some big political feminist movie even though that would be easy as fuck since it's about Amazons and what happens? People liked it and it did well financially. Hell let's go even more recent, Alita: Battle Angel. Doing fine and none of the "usual suspects" are shitting on it because it stars a woman.
 
"This is the first film that made me realize women can be badass too."

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Yeah, and let's not forget some other female protagonists like Disney, Pixar and DreamWorks (Fiona, Ariel, Mulan, Astrid, Moana, Helen and Violet Parr, EVE, Jesse), Sandy Cheeks, Jenny X2, Powerpuff Girls, Kim Possible, Bessie Haggenbottom, Wendy Corduroy, Aeon Flux, Harley Quinn, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Batgirl, Catwoman, Kitty Pryde, Mrs. Fantastic, Elektra, Black Widow, Gwen Stacy, Peni Parker, Princess Lela, Chloe Armstrong, Alita, Sailor Moon, Bulma, Rei Ayanami, Kyoko Kirigiri, Revy, Froppy, Uravity, Akko Kagari, Space Patrol Luluco, Misty, Chun-Li, Cammy, Abagail, Mona Sax, Classic Lara Croft, Jill Valentine, Squid Kids, Blaze the Cat, Cream the Rabbit, Amy Rose, Zelda, Tifa Lockwell, Kitana, Sonya Blade, Samus, Princess Daisy, Princess Peach, Ripley, Clarice Sterling, Laurie Strode (OG Halloween and Halloween H2O), Sarah Connor, etc.
 
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My god when can we stop pretending female leads just started existing? Men don't care that you're a woman, men care that you're a cunt. I know people keeping bringing up Wonder Woman, but it's such a good point. No one was really shitting on Gal Gadot for that movie besides maybe being a little small and I guess a lack of faith in the DCU(with good reason). She didn't go around bashing men or making it some big political feminist movie even though that would be easy as fuck since it's about Amazons and what happens? People liked it and it did well financially. Hell let's go even more recent, Alita: Battle Angel. Doing fine and none of the "usual suspects" are shitting on it because it stars a woman.
Part of that us just because Gal is a normal human being. She’s beautiful, she’s (((ex-military))), she’s married with kids, and she just seems pleasant to be around.

There’s a really interesting interview where Ezra Miller (The Flash) is trying to talk her into saying something like “Patriarchy, your reign is over!” and she’s clearly just completely uncomfortable with it. She’s just a normal woman who happens to be very attractive and in movies, and doesn’t go out of her way to attack or malign large groups of people. And guess what, people like her because of that.
 
If any biologists post here, can you explain how someone can function with zero ass? I'm puzzled by this.

Painfully.

Yeah, and let's not forget some great to iconic female protagonists like Disney, Pixar and DreamWorks (Fiona, Ariel, Mulan, Astrid, Moana, Helen and Violet Parr, EVE, Jesse), Sandy Cheeks, Jenny X2, Powerpuff Girls, Harley Quinn, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Batgirl, Catwoman, Kitty Pryde, Elektra, Black Widow, Gwen Stacy, Peni Parker, Alita, Sailor Moon, Kyoko Kirigiri, Rei Ayanami, Akko Kagari, Space Patrol Luluco, Froppy, Uravity, Misty, Chun-Li, Cammy, Abagail, Mona Sax, Classic Lara Croft, Jill Valentine, Squid Kids, Blaze the Cat, Cream the Rabbit, Amy Rose, Samus, Princess Daisy, Princess Peach, Ripley, Clarice Sterling, Laurie Strode (OG Halloween and Halloween H2O), etc.


That's great, but...

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YOU DIDN'T SAY THE NAME!!!


Part of that us just because Gal is a normal human being. She’s beautiful, she’s (((ex-military))), she’s married with kids, and she just seems pleasant to be around.

There’s a really interesting interview where Ezra Miller (The Flash) is trying to talk her into saying something like “Patriarchy, your reign is over!” and she’s clearly just completely uncomfortable with it. She’s just a normal woman who happens to be very attractive and in movies, and doesn’t go out of her way to attack or malign large groups of people. And guess what, people like her because of that.

Surprise, surprise: that's also the kind of personality Wonder Woman deserves. In my opinion, Wonder Woman showcases the more positive and nurturing aspects of second-wave feminism. I don't think this film will match it in any way, and the only "feels" moment will be something like Jackson losing his eye protecting her.
 
Women don't like competition, which is why despite Hollywood desperately thirsting after the Chinese Market it's a rare occasion for any Chinese actress to be in Hollywood movies for crossover appeal.
Slightly related, but I've noticed that Hollywood always seems to cast the ugliest Asian women imaginable... it's like they don't want Asians to outshine the white actresses or something. Margaret Cho, Sandra Oh... Kellie Marie Tran is the latest example.
I've visited Japan a few times and the average young woman walking down the street looks better than these chicks.
 
My god when can we stop pretending female leads just started existing? Men don't care that you're a woman, men care that you're a cunt. I know people keeping bringing up Wonder Woman, but it's such a good point. No one was really shitting on Gal Gadot for that movie besides maybe being a little small and I guess a lack of faith in the DCU(with good reason). She didn't go around bashing men or making it some big political feminist movie even though that would be easy as fuck since it's about Amazons and what happens? People liked it and it did well financially. Hell let's go even more recent, Alita: Battle Angel. Doing fine and none of the "usual suspects" are shitting on it because it stars a woman.

There've been several articles theorizing but what it comes down to is this: money. Its just that simple. They need to memory hole everything to show how terrible the present is, otherwise their activism is pointless. Look at that dumb faggot who burned down their own house and killed all their pets because their deep south gay pride parade didn't receive enough hate or complaints. Jussie Smollet couldn't even walk around in the deep south to bother to get the shit kicked out of him naturally, he had to fake it. People seem to think the deep south is still stuck in Jim Crow or something. They don't give a shit. Sure they're more religious on average, but generally, they've stopped caring. They're more worried about how they are doing economically than some woman or black guy being in the pictures or two dudes kissing on the street.

The problem is tolerance has been at an all time high. And by tolerance, nobody gives a shit. And that is a massive, massive problem for the activist class with gender studies degrees and companies trying to profit off of it. You have to remember, the activist machine set up in the 1960s and 1970s won. They won what they were fighting for. The problem was, at that point, it was a money machine, so they had to keep finding things that were sexist, racist, etc.

This is what happens when you find everything sexist and racist for 50 years, you run out of things that are sexist and racist. Which is why you're getting insane fucking articles like the knitting community is racist because a white woman wants to go to India or that Superman needs to be not white, even though Dean Cain was Superman 25 years ago and was half Jap/half White.

So you have to CONSTANTLY reset that clock. You CONSTANTLY have to say 'THIS IS THE FIRST EVER' even though its clearly not. There've been plenty of female action leads and superhero movies.

"Well, we had Wonderwoman so...."

"THAT DOESN'T COUNT ITS DC"

"There was Catwoman, it wasn't very good but it had a black female lead...."

"THAT WAS DC TOO"

"The first good, entertaining superhero movie that basically pioneered the way was an R rated movie starring a black actor than made a ton of money, so I don't...."

"HE DIDN'T PAY HIS TAXES"

"There was a mixed-race Superman 25 years ago and there was Steel too which replaced Superman for awh-"

"MIXED RACE DOESN'T COUNT AND HE WASN'T FROM KRYPTON"

So you've got this constant back-pedaling and moving the goal-posts all the fucking time, because if you didn't, they'd lose out on their marketing budgets and 'Bree Larson for being brave' or some shit even though nearly all female action stars in the past kick the shit out of modern ones. I guarantee you Carol Danvers will be a flawless character, boring and uninteresting.

Superman works because he cares so much. He's invulnerable, the people around him aren't. And this HURTS him, it causes him emotional suffering. It makes him doubt himself. That's how you have a character with so much power show weakness. All we get from Danvers is this emotionless scowl. I don't get this real concern for people from the trailers or marketing. So who cares? SHES DA MOST POWERFUL. Who gives a shit if she's boring as fuck? Her comic has been relaunched like ten fucking times because she's C-List at best, has always been C-List and the most notable thing was give Rogue her powers who was far more interesting.

Everything is sexist, racist and homophobic. It has to be. Because otherwise, these grifters would lose money. Most of these people with useless degrees HAVE to make victimhood culture work and convert useful idiots into their cult ideology.

Hollywood has always been full of dumb, re.tarded motherfuckers with no concept of reality, so Larson's behavior isn't surprising. Like Hollywood actors are typically really, really fucking dumb. Like dogshit dumb. So her going around is her just being a typical dumb Hollywood cunt. The erasure issue is 1) To inflate the marketing of a product and 2) To show the present is bad and that these activists are needed in some capacity.

Problem is things have been getting more and more batshit, and people don't have THAT much ADD. You can only play this game for so long and they've been basically doing it for decades. Its just really coming to the forefront because there's very little left and you can sense their desperation at trying anything and everything. This is also why they want people fired and replaced. Because they're functionally unemployable with their degrees and attitude, they need to make vacancies.

For example, there was an executive at EA who was accused of harassment by a woman. He was fired. The day after he was fired, the woman applied for his position. And this isn't uncommon. When they say 'X industry should hire more X because DIVERSITY' they're talking about themselves, except for the beta cucks who think they're going to get laid and are about 95% rapists. So with the exception of white men, who are either sexual predator beta males or millionaires whose opinion doesn't matter, the people pushing for diversity are the people who want those jobs.

Its what it was always about in the first place. Money. Greed. Narcissism and the lack of empathy. But mainly, its that green. Don't be fooled. They don't care about minorities or women. They only care about getting paid and keeping victimhood alive long enough to profit from it.
 
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Money. Greed. Narcissism and the lack of empathy. But mainly, its that green. Don't be fooled. They don't care about minorities or women. They only care about getting paid and keeping victimhood alive long enough to profit from it.
The fact that Captain Marvel will use that to destroy the MCU is tragic.
 
And what @Secret Asshole comments leads to the backlash of these kind of characters/movie "first ever X black/feminist!" Aside from trolls and some /pol/ people, most wouldn't mind seeing movies with super heroines or black people as the lead. But when you start drumming up how they're the best/first and that previously there weren't any good characters, a lot of people could feel personally hurt. Like I imagine a little girl out there who in her childhood youth watched Justice League and admired John Stewart, Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl, and she's often dismissed by these SJ journalists who prop up Carol/Rey/BP and insinuate that the characters she admired are nowhere near as important or good as the new shiny pets. Of course she's gonna feel hesitant into liking the new kids on the block, if their fans insist that other people who don't follow their ideology had crappy childhoods and only watched stuff like...The Smurfs and Brady Bunch or the Swan Princess on repeat. They're insinuating that by liking the characters she liked as a kid, she was less of a person.

People often define themselves by the stories and characters they like. When some bozo comes over and insults their likes and insinuates the clown's likes are superior, some people can take it wrongly and read that as "you're an asshole and I'm so much better than you". Of course nobody likes somebody so arrogant.
 
They can't be more desesperate aren't they? But they are just when we thought they arrived at the bottom of the barrel, according to that vlogger who talk of a new Captain Marvel trailer where she's featured in company of Kim Possible.
 
It's probably pretty low quality if they're going this low. I didn't think Black Panther was all that great but I don't remember them advertising it with an anthropomorphic rapping pack of Virginia Slims.
 
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