Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

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Are you actually going to watch this flick?

  • No

    Votes: 74 17.0%

  • Fuck, no

    Votes: 177 40.7%

  • Not in cinemas

    Votes: 81 18.6%

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 9.2%

  • (((Yes)))

    Votes: 20 4.6%

  • Twitter told me I must, I can't say no, you white-cis-sexist-oppresive scum!

    Votes: 43 9.9%
  • Total voters
    435
madethistocomment said:
Oh God no. If she's anything like what they've recently been doing to her it'd be abysmal.
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Why did they turn a rather cute pleasant looking character into a ugly skag with a hideous art aesthetic?

And they are thinking of putting Kamala Khan into the movies so it's possible...by then these movies will be irrelevant.

Also you guys just gotta stop seeing these friggin movies, you need to get the hint that they are gonna attack their audience and go down the gutter soon. Disney are getting way too fucking big too and I haven't even bothered watching the Far From Home trailer I'm so apathetic now.

Oh, and yeah, Captain Marvel. Still not seeing it. Looks shit and boring.

Also shilling from Jeremy Conrad who runs MCU Cosmic.

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BoomerDenton said:
Why did they turn a rather cute pleasant looking character into a ugly skag with a hideous art aesthetic?

And they are thinking of putting Kamala Khan into the movies so it's possible...by then these movies will be irrelevant.

Also you guys just gotta stop seeing these friggin movies, you need to get the hint that they are gonna attack their audience and go down the gutter soon. Disney are getting way too fucking big too and I haven't even bothered watching the Far From Home trailer I'm so apathetic now.

Oh, and yeah, Captain Marvel. Still not seeing it. Looks shit and boring.

Also shilling from Jeremy Conrad who runs MCU Cosmic.

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"After you're dead and forgotten."

What a pleasant person. Also, this idiot should realize that things have to BECOME popular in order for them to "last forever," ya know?
 
StarkRavingMad said:
Huge red flag when all people are talking about after seeing the movie is a cat ...

As I've said before, if the movie sucks, then whatever. We can all move on. The thing I AM worried about, though, is if this movie is going to ruin Avengers: Endgame ...

Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel has been proven time and time again that she is NOT popular among comic book fans. They've had to reboot her story in the comic books almost 10 fucking times over the course of a handful of years because she's just not popular ... Yet Marvel keeps shoving her down everyone's throats.

Looks like the same damn thing is going to happen to the movies now. Damn it. Stop trying to make Carol Danvers happen, Marvel.

We could have had a movie starring Jude Law as Mar-Vell ...
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We could have had a good interesting movie starring actual strong and interesting female characters from Marvel like Rogue, the true Mary Jane or the real Scarlet Witch...But the MCU's idea of a strong female character is "plain woman with a bitchy attitude. But hey, she's sassy, has big boobs and punches stuff, that means she's strong, right?"

Also, Kamala Khan...Could be interesting if they focus on her original characterization, but if she's just gonna be a preachy vehicle of "religion of peace, not all muslims, blah blah blah", then I'm out.
 
friedshrimp said:
We could have had a good interesting movie starring actual strong and interesting female characters from Marvel like Rogue, the true Mary Jane or the real Scarlet Witch...But the MCU's idea of a strong female character is "plain woman with a bitchy attitude. But hey, she's sassy, has big boobs and punches stuff, that means she's strong, right?"

Also, Kamala Khan...Could be interesting if they focus on her original characterization, but if she's just gonna be a preachy vehicle of "religion of peace, not all muslims, blah blah blah", then I'm out.
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Kamala Khan was solely created as a virtue signal from Marvel ... I have no interest in seeing her on the big screen. Then again, I think I'm going to be done with the MCU altogether after Endgame. I'll probably only be interested in seeing the solo Spidey movies.

I really don't want to shit on Brie Larson too much (despite her SJW keyboard diarrhea on social media). She is a good actress. I've finally seen Room, and she was wonderful in it. This role may be the result of a horrible miscast though. I still want to give her a chance, but I'm seeing red flags all over the place with this movie. I hope I am pleasantly surprised.
 
I will laugh my ass of if OG Captain Marvel outsells Marvels captain Marvel.
I get realy good vibes from the DC version....
 
It will be interesting to see how Captain Marvel and Shazam will compare in terms of box office performance. I recall hearing that a film has to make 2.5x its production budget to be considered successful, and that is not taking promotion into account. As it stands the (declared) budgets for both films are thus:

Captain Marvel - $152 million
Shazam - $80-90 million

So CM will have to make $380 million to be profitable. No problem. Even Ant-Man made more than that. However, if Marvel is spending $100M in promotion, we add that to production costs, and we use the same multiplier then it would come to a staggering $630M. Meanwhile, the Shazam only needs $200-225M at the very least and I don't have much of an idea of much their promotional budget is. However, I suspect that is probably a bit more conservative than CM's and relying more on good word-of-mouth via the trailers compared to the never-ending blitz Marvel's giving us.

One thing is for certain: CM has a higher chance of being a box office disappointment. I suspect hat Marvel wants this to make Black Panther levels of money, but on the other hand, obsessing over identity politics world out so well for the Ghostbusters reboot. Yes, everything Marvel has touched turned to gold so far, even they can produce a bomb at some point in the future because of the law of averages.

Meanwhile, Shazam will be a roaring success if it makes $500-600M. Given how the buzz has been positive from what I have seen so far and if Aquaman bought enough good will with audiences, I see that as a distinct possibility.
 
Shazam is on track to make some bank, I think (and I think it will be a surprise hit if it's a good film). I haven't seen Aquaman yet, but from what the box office tells me, people are loving it. I'd say that the "DC Name" no longer has poison attached to it. I think there's going to be some hype before Shazam comes out because DC is finally winning some audiences over.

With Captain Marvel, I don't expect a bomb. It would have to be a downright TERRIBLE movie for it to be a bomb, I think. That said, I also see it slightly underperforming. I really don't see any hype around it aside from the forced hype in the advertising and the forced shilling online, and I think that Marvel is making the wrong move trying to sell this as a "First Female-led Marvel movie." Most "normie" movie goers view every comic book movie as the same thing, so I think the luster of a "first female ____" is gone because of Wonder Woman (which was a really good movie, IMO). Plus, Brie Larson isn't playing an iconic character like Wonder Woman, nor does she come across as charismatic as Gal Gadot.
 
If the Kamala Khan movie gets made, will people be accused of being islamophobic if they don't feel like watching it? She's nowhere near as well known as other characters and I really doubt the muslim audience will give much of a shit with her unlike the blacks did with Black Panther...
 
StarkRavingMad said:
With Captain Marvel, I don't expect a bomb. It would have to be a downright TERRIBLE movie for it to be a bomb, I think. That said, I also see it slightly underperforming.
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I have a hard time imagining Captain Marvel outright bombing because of the strength of the Marvel brand at the moment plus it has the follow two weeks after its release to itself. However, as I said, I believe the studio is placing unreasonably high expectations on it and assumes it will be a phenomenon like Black Panther. The conditions are different because BP went practically unchallenged for a month as it stayed #1 for FIVE weeks. CM does not have that luxury. Dumbo will be released on March 29 and Shazam on April 5, which will completely halt its momentum and I suspect audiences will completely forget it by April 26 when Avengers: Endgame hits theaters.

On the subject of box office bombs, my money's on The Eternals being the first MCU film to tank. I can only speak for myself, but I have zero interest in the property and it had no proper lead-in as the case was for Black Panther.
 
friedshrimp said:
If the Kamala Khan movie gets made, will people be accused of being islamophobic if they don't feel like watching it? She's nowhere near as well known as other characters and I really doubt the muslim audience will give much of a shit with her unlike the blacks did with Black Panther...
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I think it's more likely fundie muslims will hate the movie for inadvertedly being disrespectful to Islam in some way.
 
I dread the run up to Captain Marvel .

Consider the recent push to immortalize Black Panther as an Oscar winning film. Bret Easton Ellis, author of Less than Zero, American Psycho, et. al. discussed this on his podcast recently as recounted here:

https://www.thewrap.com/bret-easton...-for-best-picture-does-it-really-deserve-one/

Ellis recorded the podcast on Jan. 17, before the Oscar nominations were announced, and correctly guessed that “Black Panther” would score a Best Picture nomination. But he asked: “Does it really deserve one?”

“The entertainment press and the studio is selling the notion that ‘Black Panther’ is a grand piece of cinematic art that cannot be ignored. And this notion is being shoved down our throats and we can only smile in disbelief. Or perhaps understand that this is just the moment we’re trapped in. A joke, a hoax. It’s all fake news, folks,” Ellis said.
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He's right, I feel and it's going to be worse with a certain future MCU entry. We'll be seeing more of this with Captain Marvel, which looks like the "mandatory and important to watch, like a homework assignment" entry of the Marvel universe movies, with the visibly anti-charismatic Brie Larsen scowling at you as she asks you why you haven't seen it yet. The studio-exec creatures know this movie's shortcomings which means they are going to ramp up the nagging PR campaigns. It'll make the campaign to guilt and shame people into watching Lady Ghostbusters seem mild in comparison.
 
I really don't understand why anybody in control of anything thought this film was the one to market to little girls. All the promotion so far looks gray and dreary. The Toys R Us death stock clearly showed that dreary, scowling characters aren't appealing to girls.
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Oh look, here we go again. This one doesn't even have saturated color on the packaging.
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I would feel shitty giving any of these to a child. They look as fun as rain on Halloween.
 
Black Panther reminded me that while I've been enjoying the MCU on an entertainment level, there are limits. It really was an Emperor's New Clothes scenario and seeing the Oscars shill it is kind of nauseating.

With Endgame months away, I have a feeling that Captain Marvel here is only continued fodder for the inevitable killing blow. X-Men becoming a thing may stoke some mild interest out of me. But after Endgame I'm pretty much done. No amount of Brie Larson scowling is going go help me muster up a fuck.
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
On the subject of box office bombs, my money's on The Eternals being the first MCU film to tank. I can only speak for myself, but I have zero interest in the property and it had no proper lead-in as the case was for Black Panther.
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I was thinking Black Widow. Scarlett Johannson is 1) way too old and rough looking to play a femme fatale, 2) incapable of carrying a movie on her own, and 3) like Brie Larson, a charisma black hole. The only way it would work is if they somehow brought in Charlie Cox's Daredevil and made it a teamup movie like Ant-Man and the Wasp or Wonder Woman. You know, toss in a charismatic guy for the bland woman to bounce off of and hope that people don't notice that Steve Trevor Charlie Cox is the best part of the film.
 
Maggots on a Train v2 said:
I really don't understand why anybody in control of anything thought this film was the one to market to little girls. All the promotion so far looks gray and dreary. The Toys R Us death stock clearly showed that dreary, scowling characters aren't appealing to girls.
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Oh look, here we go again. This one doesn't even have saturated color on the packaging.
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I would feel shitty giving any of these to a child. They look as fun as rain on Halloween.
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I have zero problems with making dolls out of of these properties to sell to girls.

I would have loved this stuff as a little girl. Back when I was in my "play with Barbies" phase, I only wanted the Barbies that were characters of things/properties that I love. I would have loved to have owned a Princess Leia Barbie; would have been at the top of my Christmas list. I just know it.

The Star Wars dolls actually look cute IMO. I remember seeing the Princess Leia and Wicket doll set at Target a while back. I guarantee it would have been something I would have wanted as a kid.

The Captain Marvel doll looks a little rough though, lol. DC has done a much better job at making these kind of dolls:

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Even the DC doll line of their female heroes and villains from a few years ago look a lot cuter, too (and they were aimed for little girls, too):
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Stab You in the Back said:
I was thinking Black Widow. Scarlett Johannson is 1) way too old and rough looking to play a femme fatale, 2) incapable of carrying a movie on her own, and 3) like Brie Larson, a charisma black hole. The only way it would work is if they somehow brought in Charlie Cox's Daredevil and made it a teamup movie like Ant-Man and the Wasp or Wonder Woman. You know, toss in a charismatic guy for the bland woman to bounce off of and hope that people don't notice that Steve Trevor Charlie Cox is the best part of the film.
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The biggest thing preventing that from happening isn't the inevitable media outrage over Black Widow having to have some MAN come in and be part of the movie, but rather that Cox's iteration of Daredevil is still within Ike Perlmutter's department, and he and Feige detest each other.
 
Absolutego said:
The biggest thing preventing that from happening isn't the inevitable media outrage over Black Widow having to have some MAN come in and be part of the movie, but rather that Cox's iteration of Daredevil is still within Ike Perlmutter's department, and he and Feige detest each other.
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Corporate peacocking never fails to make me laugh. Disney was able to convince a direct competitor to give up exclusive use of Spider-Man, but they can't get two guys who work down the hall from one another to collaborate on a film together.
 
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