Opinion Canceling Student Debt Would Backfire on Biden - Bloomberg and CO. want young adults to pay even more debt

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President-elect Joe Biden is under pressure to do something that sounds bold and progressive when he takes office: Cancel the student debt of millions of Americans. If he really wants to help the most financially challenged, however, there are much better ways to do it.

No doubt, student debt is a problem. The rising cost of college has far outpaced incomes and federal grants, leaving little option but to borrow. The resulting obligations — an estimated $1.55 trillion as of September, up from $250 billion in 2003 — weigh on the entire economy, leading people to delay steps such as starting families and buying houses. The burden has fallen particularly heavily on Black people, who are often targeted by for-profit schools marketing diplomas of questionable value.

The more-progressive wing of the Democratic Party advocates a simple solution: Write the debt off. Senators Elizabeth Warren and Chuck Schumer want Biden to cancel up to $50,000 per borrower, using an executive order to bypass Congress. Biden himself has supported canceling up to $10,000, as part of a broader Covid-19 relief bill. Some studies suggest this could both benefit individual borrowers and offer a good way to boost an economy struggling to recover from the pandemic.

If only. No matter how it’s designed, student-debt forgiveness is very poorly targeted. A lot of the money tends to go to the relatively well off, who are more likely to attend college and hence to have debt. Consider the $10,000 proposal: An analysis by the Urban Institute suggests that it would cost almost $370 billion, about $150 billion of which would accrue to the top two-fifths of U.S. households by income. Applied elsewhere, that $150 billion could head off evictions for a year by increasing federal rental assistance, or ensure that the millions of U.S. children currently going hungry are fed for the next two years.

Even if relief could be better focused on the poor, severe drawbacks remain. For one, the vast majority of Americans who don’t have student debt would rightly feel left out. Many never had the opportunity to get a higher education; others put off financial goals (such as saving for retirement) to pay it down. Also, it would do little to improve the immediate cash flow of the many debtors who — because they’re in default or in income-based repayment plans — are making small or no monthly payments. As a result, the effect on the broader economy would be much weaker than if the government just sent people money. Jason Furman, who headed the Council of Economic Advisers under Barack Obama, estimates that it would be close to zero.


Biden should spend what political capital he has on measures that would genuinely make a difference. The first priority should be to pass a new Covid-19 relief package, including expanded funding for unemployment benefits, rental assistance and food stamps. Beyond that, he should stick to his plan to reform education finance — for example, by enrolling borrowers automatically in more generous income-based repayment plans (in which the poorest pay nothing), forgiving debts in cases where for-profit colleges conferred worthless degrees, making student debt easier to discharge in bankruptcy, and using grant money to cover the full cost of a quality four-year degree for those who can’t afford it.

Threatening to cancel student debt with a stroke of the presidential pen might help prod Congress in the desired direction. Actually doing it would be an economic and political mistake — one that would cast doubt on Biden’s pledge to govern for all Americans.
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Daily reminder that during the pandemic despite having a failed presidential campaign, Bloomberg became 6.89 billion richer well not paying his campaign staff. Why ever advocate for something that would help the younger generations?
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Cancelling student loan debt wouldn't solve anything, but would actively encourage people not to pay off their student loans waiting for the next cancellation wave to be announced.

An easier fix would be setting student loan interest at or near the prime interest rate, or capping interest on student loans to something like 50% of debt. You know, something reasonable that would benefit everybody without the unintended consequences of outright cancellation.
So literally no different then any other kind of debt?

Making student debt cancellable via bankruptcy like other debts means loan sharks cant just hand them out willy nilly without loosing their pants. Lenders would immediately restrict who would qualify for student loans to avoid loosing cash. Colleges would either need to dramatically lower their insane prices and actually make college affordable again ALA the 1960s/1970s or would have to fight over an ever shrining number of students that can actually afford to go. It would also quickly put an end to bullshit like gender studies degrees because the graduates wouldn't be able to pay the loans back in that field.
 
Whether it happens or not, I'm still glad I never had student loans. Just one more chain by which to enslave the population. Drown them in debt, then promise relief and never deliver. If the Bible's take on ancient (Old Testament) history taught me anything growing up, it was that an entire society could be repeatedly enslaved, and they would blame anything but their own choices while begging for literal Deus Ex Machina salvation.

I wish I'd apprenticed in a trade at the age of 16. Even going to college on my own dime was a waste of time and money.
 
You know, for all the bloviating about Student Loans, the number of times I hear people actually discuss 'is the problem that the universities charge too much' is utterly baffling. So few people bring it up - even right-wingers.
 
Whether it happens or not, I'm still glad I never had student loans. Just one more chain by which to enslave the population. Drown them in debt, then promise relief and never deliver. If the Bible's take on ancient (Old Testament) history taught me anything growing up, it was that an entire society could be repeatedly enslaved, and they would blame anything but their own choices while begging for literal Deus Ex Machina salvation.

I wish I'd apprenticed in a trade at the age of 16. Even going to college on my own dime was a waste of time and money.

may I ask what you studied?

my degree is worthless to me as well
 
If primary school taught employable skills and college were reserved for people who are actually interested in some technical field, we wouldn't have this problem.

A big part of the problem is that attempting to make high school diplomas universal has required lowering standards and inflating grades.

As it is, as long as you mostly show up to class and mostly turn in your work, you can graduate high school, so college has become the new standard to show employers who's reasonably educated since a lot of near-fuckups manage to get a high school diploma. This also ties back into the lib obsession with "equity". If high school standards were raised and you actually had to show you got educated during your 12 years in public school, many black, Latino, and Native students wouldn't graduate. When I graduated high school, I had to take an exam to show I met the bare minimum, and it tested fourth-grade math and reading skills.

Another big change that needs to happen is figuring out how to get gainful employment to people who couldn't graduate high school. That's why libs got so hyper-focused on universal high school graduation. The prospects for high school dropouts are grim.
 
So literally no different then any other kind of debt?

Making student debt cancellable via bankruptcy like other debts means loan sharks cant just hand them out willy nilly without loosing their pants. Lenders would immediately restrict who would qualify for student loans to avoid loosing cash. Colleges would either need to dramatically lower their insane prices and actually make college affordable again ALA the 1960s/1970s or would have to fight over an ever shrining number of students that can actually afford to go. It would also quickly put an end to bullshit like gender studies degrees because the graduates wouldn't be able to pay the loans back in that field.
So, what you're saying is that this a great idea that Diamond Joe and both sides of the political aisle will ignore? Something like this would slam the brakes on the College Gravy Train whereas loan forgiveness would only slow it down just a bit.

Another big change that needs to happen is figuring out how to get gainful employment to people who couldn't graduate high school. That's why libs got so hyper-focused on universal high school graduation. The prospects for high school dropouts are grim.
Learn to code?

Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'm all out of ideas other than to abolish the minimum wage and let those chips fall where they may.
 
There are people who are actually gullible enough to think that Biden would ever go along with cancelling student loan debt?

Get a grip, retards. Biden is just being a typical politician with this move, he knows that nothing will actually come of it because the GOP controlled senate would block any legislation and EOs wouldn't be able to get it done, so he just gets free political brownie points for saying something like this even when he would probably never agree to pass it if things were different and the GOP wasn't there to block it. Biden is establishment through and through - he's not going to be handing out any gibs more significant than the 2020 equivalent of 'bamaphones.
 
Everyone focuses on the colleges raising tuition and fees because everyone will pay it, and the "everyone needs a degree it doesn't matter what it is" attitude. But that's only one factor in the mess. The reason I oppose canceling debt is not because the schooling is expensive and the kids chose a poor degree to invest in, but because the idiot students take out the maximum loan amount possible to get the excess as a pay back. They think that's free money and treat it accordingly. If someone has 150k in debt for a 4 year basket weaving degree it isn't just because tuition was so outrageous. It's because they took an extra 30k out in loans to live in a luxury apartment and drink expensive alcohol and take-out food every day.
Wh-why would you borrow to consume in the first place? Who the hell would do that?
 
Anyone with more fancy shit than they should have given their income is either on welfare or in debt to their eyeballs. And its shockingly easy to get a loan if you're poor and desperate for money.
 
I question the whole getting a degree is too expensive idea, you hear all these stories of people being six figures in debt and the magic keyword you always hear is "private university" and way more than four years to graduate cus they change majors and have to "find themselves". It makes me laugh cus it's such bullshit, cheaper alternatives like community college exists. They don't have all the fancy sports stadiums and expensive rec centers that people complain about having to pay for... but they also want the college "experience" like in the movies. It's like bitching about being debt cus you bought a sports car when you could have gotten one of those econoboxes meant for the poors.

I looked up the cost of my local community college, it's a little over $4,000 a year for tuition, fees, books and misc. I don't count living expenses, food and transportation that people use to jack up the cost and make college seem more expensive, you'd still need those whether you're in school or not. The whole being alive and not homeless requires it, you'd still be eating, living in a shitty apartment and driving/taking public transportation if you had to start working after high school. So let's say $17k for an undergrad degree and let's hope you're making at least $40k for an entry level job with a not totally useless degree.. It doesn't seem like a crazy investment to me.

Then I look up one of the the good state university in my area, $14k a year for tuition, fees, books and misc. $56k for the undergrad degree. Still not a crazy investment, especially if you're smart enough for scholarships or poor enough to qualify for some grant money.

The good private university in the state is roughly $55k a year for tuition, fees, books and misc. $220,000 for the undergrad degree. Fuck this.

It all depends on where you live, I'm sure it's way more expensive in California or NYC. My point is that choices exist, welcome to America. Community colleges, trade schools, the military and GI Bill exists. You choose to be in debt, fuck off with the pity party.
 
"Beyond that, he should stick to his plan to reform education finance — for example, by enrolling borrowers automatically in more generous income-based repayment plans (in which the poorest pay nothing), forgiving debts in cases where for-profit colleges conferred worthless degrees, making student debt easier to discharge in bankruptcy, and using grant money to cover the full cost of a quality four-year degree for those who can’t afford it.".

Sounds sane, which is suspicious to me, Where is the catch ?
 
Mini Mike really was a great example of how bent the DNC was, or at least he should have been for the masses. Here comes a guy late to the primary and literally buys his way into the debate while the DNC fucks around with the requirements to prevent contenders who were there from the beginning from getting in the debate. Guy legitimately thought that Donald Trump just threw money around and won the nomination and tried to repeat it with nothing to show for it.

Big Gay Mike is about as much of a scumbag as you can imagine and Biden isn't going to do anything about student loans.
 
"History? What are you going to dooo with that??"

I got that question a lot back then. My answer was always "I'm going to study history." And I did. I got what I paid for. How many of the Business school faggots have businesses now? The idea of a degree as a meal ticket is the source of the scam. College can be good for enrichment, but it's not going to make you rich.
 
I haven't really done any research on this, so forgive me if this is stupid, but couldn't the federal government just put a cap on tuition rates? Something like "you can't have a tuition rate higher than X amount per semester"? It seems like most of the tuition money hoovered up by universities just goes towards filling the pockets of the administration instead of actually benefiting the learning experience, so I doubt such a cap would negatively impact the students by any measurable amount.
 
LOL you know we have a voluntary military which will pay for a percentage of tuition.

BUUUUUT, if you want to go to college, its going to put you into indentured servitude for a degree that'll get you a job we're outsourcing to China.
 
I haven't really done any research on this, so forgive me if this is stupid, but couldn't the federal government just put a cap on tuition rates? Something like "you can't have a tuition rate higher than X amount per semester"? It seems like most of the tuition money hoovered up by universities just goes towards filling the pockets of the administration instead of actually benefiting the learning experience, so I doubt such a cap would negatively impact the students by any measurable amount.
Loans direct from the federal government are capped at a maximum per semester. The amount depends on graduate or undergraduate, full time or part time, and whether the student is considered dependent or independent for financial purposes.

For dependent undergraduates I don't think it's enough to cover all necessary expenses at most typical public universities. That's where the private student loans come in to fill the difference and they can be pretty bad from what I understand. The feds could theoretically make things so that there is a maximum tuition that can be charged in order to be able to accept federal loan dollars but nobody who has the ability to make that happen actually wants it to.
 
I question the whole getting a degree is too expensive idea, you hear all these stories of people being six figures in debt and the magic keyword you always hear is "private university" and way more than four years to graduate cus they change majors and have to "find themselves". It makes me laugh cus it's such bullshit, cheaper alternatives like community college exists. They don't have all the fancy sports stadiums and expensive rec centers that people complain about having to pay for... but they also want the college "experience" like in the movies. It's like bitching about being debt cus you bought a sports car when you could have gotten one of those econoboxes meant for the poors.

I looked up the cost of my local community college, it's a little over $4,000 a year for tuition, fees, books and misc. I don't count living expenses, food and transportation that people use to jack up the cost and make college seem more expensive, you'd still need those whether you're in school or not. The whole being alive and not homeless requires it, you'd still be eating, living in a shitty apartment and driving/taking public transportation if you had to start working after high school. So let's say $17k for an undergrad degree and let's hope you're making at least $40k for an entry level job with a not totally useless degree.. It doesn't seem like a crazy investment to me.

Then I look up one of the the good state university in my area, $14k a year for tuition, fees, books and misc. $56k for the undergrad degree. Still not a crazy investment, especially if you're smart enough for scholarships or poor enough to qualify for some grant money.

The good private university in the state is roughly $55k a year for tuition, fees, books and misc. $220,000 for the undergrad degree. Fuck this.

It all depends on where you live, I'm sure it's way more expensive in California or NYC. My point is that choices exist, welcome to America. Community colleges, trade schools, the military and GI Bill exists. You choose to be in debt, fuck off with the pity party.
The whole point is that these universities are predatory. There is HUMUNGOUS social pressure to go to a good school in order to get a good job and these universities do NOT fuck around. You're also asking 17 and 18 year olds to make a long-term financial decision that will impact the rest of their natural lives when they've basically had no real world experience. It kind of makes me wonder when people blame what are basically kids taking out six figure loans with no idea of what that means because shit like this is not taught. You're talking about people who can't write a check or balance their own bank accounts, yet you're lending them six figures and its somehow their fault? The guidance counselors whose job depends on good school placements, the district who wants to advertise these placements and the universities doing everything they can to seduce people to them no matter the cost, including shitting on the public options. You have a massive social force outside of these kids' control. Not to mention their friends as well, or the relationships that they're in and not getting separated. So its not only social pressure coming from authority, its coming from their peers. I got made fun of for being poor in a rich neighborhood. Imagine what happens to the kid who goes to the state school over the ritzy private university. Or the parents who pressure their children to do it.

You're probably at the most vulnerable point in your life and you have massive social forces coming at you from every direction. Your school who needs you to go somewhere decent, the universities who want that sweet cash money, your parents who want the prestige of their child going to a 'great' university, your friends who will almost certainly judge you for going someplace shitty and/or the prospect of being separated with them and going with a bunch of strangers.

So when you start blaming people, these people were exploited by a failing system that actively benefits from trapping them in massive debt.

Student loans are the equivalent of a taking out a loan with a loan shark. They're one of the most dangerous forms of debt to take on, and we're asking people who have no financial experience to make this massive choice that they probably can't really make for something like this. Student loans aren't dischargeable, just like a loan from a loan shark. The vig constantly ticks, just like a loan shark. They're designed so you can never get out from under the interest, and will balloon the principle, just like a loan shark. If you can't pay, the loans damage you heavily financially, the only difference is a loan shark damages you physically.

All this was done with the encouragement of society. Society encouraged this mess, so fuck 'em. Excuse me if I won't cry for the loan sharks and people who pushed this shit on vulnerable kids who get 0 financial education, some of whom who can't even vote yet and are still considered minors.
Loans direct from the federal government are capped at a maximum per semester. The amount depends on graduate or undergraduate, full time or part time, and whether the student is considered dependent or independent for financial purposes.

For dependent undergraduates I don't think it's enough to cover all necessary expenses at most typical public universities. That's where the private student loans come in to fill the difference and they can be pretty bad from what I understand. The feds could theoretically make things so that there is a maximum tuition that can be charged in order to be able to accept federal loan dollars but nobody who has the ability to make that happen actually wants it to.
Private student loans are the absolute worst loans you can take. They have absolutely no repayment options, are incredibly difficult to discharge through bankruptcy, have fucking hilariously bad terms and interest rates, won't let you refinance if you're stuck, basically are the equivalent of 'Fuck You, Pay Me.' It is honestly better to not go to college than take private student loans. The only 'good' thing about private student loans is they can't garnish your wages or social security to collect. And unlike government loans, you can get them discharged through bankruptcy. It is always worth it to try IMO.
Look at that..........equality with the white person. How's that workin' out for ya?
The thing is that if you went to a for-profit university that charged you excessively and was deceptive, you can actually nullify the loan. It takes a bit of effort, but you can do it.
 
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