Canada is a failed state

[U 'MIRIN BRAH?]

Edmonton sucks, and I say that as someone who was born there and lived there for a chunk of my childhood.

It has been jeeted beyond recovery.

 

[OutInTheRain]

What kind of last name is that

He was the owner of the Edmonton Oilers during the Gretzky years. He traded Gretzky and most of the teams for some nobodies and 15 million to keep his meat packing plant. In an attempt to break the union during a strike he hired scabs from Quebec and then afterwards imported Somalis. He couldn't keep the plant going and got into a deal where he bilked the province, the province took control of the plant to recoup their loan and had no idea how to run a meat plant. Shocking I know. The province unloaded it a few years later for a song.

 

[Fcret]

Disclaimer: I do not endorse a US invasion of Canada.

The biggest problem for Canada in an invasion scenario is that 90% of the population lives within 100 miles of the US border. That means every population center is, at most, a 2-3 hour drive from one of the many staging points that dot the northern contiguous US. When we factor in the US's massive amount of aircraft and Canada's almost nonexistent anti-aircraft assets (because they haven't needed them ever in history), then it's hard to see how it'd even take multiple days to really rush in and take key cities.

There's also just no realistic way guerilla warfare could move the needle. Yes, Canadian soys with hunting rifles can make things annoying, but there's very little they can do on their own when the US takes control of the energy, IT, and agricultural infrastructure (especially since those industries are already so deeply intertwined with the US anyway). Afghanistan was a nightmare because many of the people spent significant portions of their lives off the grid and so had contingencies - modern Canadians are not that.

Anyway, different topic - I'm kinda surprised Carney is getting so much glazing in Canada. His speeches at this point sound more like, "yeah the world order is changed so I can't be expected to actually fix things" and yet every Canadian on twitter seems to treat him as some kind of glorious lion roaring against the US. Is this some kind of bizarre leaflib false consciousness?

 

[King Metalia]

Disclaimer: I do not endorse a US invasion of Canada.

The biggest problem for Canada in an invasion scenario is that 90% of the population lives within 100 miles of the US border. That means every population center is, at most, a 2-3 hour drive from one of the many staging points that dot the northern contiguous US. When we factor in the US's massive amount of aircraft and Canada's almost nonexistent anti-aircraft assets (because they haven't needed them ever in history), then it's hard to see how it'd even take multiple days to really rush in and take key cities.

There's also just no realistic way guerilla warfare could move the needle. Yes, Canadian soys with hunting rifles can make things annoying, but there's very little they can do on their own when the US takes control of the energy, IT, and agricultural infrastructure (especially since those industries are already so deeply intertwined with the US anyway). Afghanistan was a nightmare because many of the people spent significant portions of their lives off the grid and so had contingencies - modern Canadians are not that.

Anyway, different topic - I'm kinda surprised Carney is getting so much glazing in Canada. His speeches at this point sound more like, "yeah the world order is changed so I can't be expected to actually fix things" and yet every Canadian on twitter seems to treat him as some kind of glorious lion roaring against the US. Is this some kind of bizarre leaflib false consciousness?

So what your saying is The United States should definitely invade Canada?

 

[Fcret]

So what your saying is The United States should definitely invade Canada?

As a matter of principle, I think it's a bad idea. Canada is not a Venezuela where the government has transparently failed to function. Canada still has elections, it has institutions, and it has a somewhat educated populace. The healthier thing to do is for Canada to fix itself.

A US intervention is just giving a future generation of retard leafs something to point at as the reason why their glorious gay race communism paradise failed to materialize. It's the same progression we saw in Latin America when the US intervened too eagerly to stop communists (who would have probably just created state failure conditions anyway and created more enduring distaste of communism in the populace).

 

[King Metalia]

Canada still has elections, it has institutions, and it has a somewhat educated populace.

Canadian here.

Canada has no elections and our populace are retarded.

 

[Betonhaus]

So what your saying is The United States should definitely invade Canada?

There might not be much point. Alberta is splitting off and will be a good trade partner, Saskatchewan might follow suit once they see how Alberta handles it, BC might leave because they're already pretty separated, and Manitoba and the Maritimes and territories might agree to join the states if they provide a good offer. Then you just need to build a wall between the states and Ontario and Quebec

 

[Thiletonomics]

An internal document reported that 6 preventable deaths and over 30 near-miss events occurred in Alberta hospital ERs: / Archive

Alberta doctors have compiled a series of cases involving “preventable deaths” and “near misses” that have occurred in emergency rooms across the province.

Postmedia obtained a document listing the cases from an anonymous source. It identifies six deaths as preventable and more than 30 “near misses,” all of which have occurred in the wake of Prashant Sreekumar’s passing.

The 44-year-old died on Dec. 22 at the Grey Nuns Community Hospital, more than eight hours after entering the emergency department (ED) complaining of chest pains.

Dr. Paul Parks, president-elect of emergency medicine with the Alberta Medical Association (AMA) and the physician behind the document, said it was shared internally amongst senior leadership, including with Premier Danielle Smith and Hospital and Surgical Health Services Minister Matt Jones in order to illustrate how dire conditions have become and to show Sreekumar’s death was not an isolated case.

Parks said doctors are seeing preventable deaths and near misses due to severe overcrowding almost daily.

“It was intended to try to really impress upon the government that point, but also to plead for some help (and) get them to share our urgency,” he said.

The document was produced less than two weeks after Sreekumar’s death, with Alberta doctors submitting anonymized cases that detailed the severity of the situation.

Parks said Jones has yet to respond to the distribution of the document.

Jones held a press conference last Thursday where he announced the province would implement a triage liaison physician at the six busiest emergency rooms in Alberta — a solution Parks likened to putting a “Band-Aid over a gaping wound.”

In a statement to Postmedia, Kyle Warner, a press secretary with the ministry of hospitals and surgical health services, said they are unable to comment on “unverified anonymized patient information” due to privacy and legal considerations, but that they take all information on patient outcomes seriously.

He said Jones has reached out to set up a meeting with the AMA and Acute Care Alberta to share plans and potential solutions to address acute care pressures.

“(Jones) wants to ensure a shared understanding that the system is under exceptional strain, is responding as it has in past years, and requires additional resources beyond flu season. The government is working on long-term solutions to significantly expand capacity,” Warner said.

“Acute Care Alberta is leading daily province‑wide co-ordination with AHS, Covenant Health, Primary Care Alberta, Recovery Alberta and Assisted Living Alberta to manage flow, staffing, and site‑level pressures.”

Six fatalities of preventable cases documented

In one of six preventable deaths cases, a physician reported a patient suffered cardiac arrest in the hallway of a tertiary care site. The patient never made it to a care space and showed clear signs of deterioration and died as a result.

“Our hallways and waiting rooms have become death zones and we wonder how many ‘ticking time bombs’ will drop dead when they should be receiving life-saving care in a functional emergency care space,” the physician wrote.

In another case, a patient who arrived at the emergency department with septic and renal failure was awaiting a general internal medicine assessment, but due to overcrowding and the service cap, the patient was in the emergency department for 24 hours. The patient’s condition deteriorated and they died.

A physician reported there were multiple emergency department handovers before the patient received a consult.

According to the document, delays and overcrowding directly contributed to the deaths of the patients in each of the six cases.

Parks said these cases are just the tip of the iceberg.

“The waiting room has metastasized into many different areas and we are routinely seeing very bad outcomes in these areas because of prolonged waits,” Parks said.

“Those words (from) our colleagues represent what a lot of us feel when we go into an emergency department that is so severely overcrowded and unsafe that we do really worry about all those patients that are spread across our waiting room and our hallways.”

More than 30 critical “near misses”

The second section of the six page document listed more than 30 cases of “critical near misses” where patients nearly died or were in a dire situation. Three patients were admitted to the intensive care unit and physicians said they are unsure whether or not those patients will survive.

Several cases described prolonged long-wait times before being seen, lack of privacy in some cases and illnesses that quickly deteriorated and could have resulted in death if physicians had not intervened in time.

In one case, a paraplegic patient arrived with catheter complications and autonomic dysreflexia — a potentially life-threatening condition which causes sudden high blood pressure for those with a spinal cord injury. She was on a stretcher in the hallway for upwards of 11 hours. Approximately 14 hours later, staff informed her the interventional radiology room wasn’t functioning due to staffing and she was sent home.

Another patient was resuscitated in the hallway — the physician wrote there was no other space available.

In a third case, a man in his 20s came in with shortness of breath and waited more than seven hours before being seen. He ended up in septic shock and was intubated in the ICU. It is uncertain whether or not he will survive.

Dr. Warren Thirsk, the head of emergency medicine for the AMA and an emergency room physician at the Royal Alexandra Hospital, said the health care system is already at a point where it’s unsafe for patients. He said the system crossed that threshold 20 years ago and the situation has only worsened.

“What happens is there is an attempt to pin the systemic problems throughout the entire health care system on transient events like a flu coming through town,” Thirsk said.

“The problem is not the flu. The problem is chronic fiscal constraint and failure to account for growth and infrastructure needs.”

Thirsk said the call to declare a state of emergency is a call to acknowledge the large issues burdening the health care system in order to find meaningful ways to address them.

He worries that in five years from now waiting rooms will see even longer wait times, which will be accepted since “we’ve normalized abnormal.”

Alberta NDP Leader Naheed Nenshi said the United Conservative Party (UCP) needs to do more and listen to issues health care professionals on the ground are raising when it comes to the situation in hospitals and emergency rooms.

“ERs are operating at over 100 per cent capacity, and some rural communities are seeing them closed altogether. Patients have died while waiting for care, yet the UCP government still won’t admit we’re in a crisis,” Nenshi said.

ctran@postmedia.com

And yet people still suck up to Canadian health care as being superior over their Southern redneck neighbors.

 

[The Cum Beast]

Most of these people would become drone fodder.

Thinking about it yeah, I think people don't keep in mind how common and effective drones are in modern warfare.

Canada is COLD. Most of these prospective maple mujahedeen forget this. Also Canada relies on the modern world and modern supply chains to be livable. Cut those and we freeze in the dark. On top of that, they aren't going to have patrols in the streets keeping order like in Iraq and Afghanistan. They'll curb stomp Ottawa, bomb some bases and then leave us to figure it out.

There's also just no realistic way guerilla warfare could move the needle. Yes, Canadian soys with hunting rifles can make things annoying, but there's very little they can do on their own when the US takes control of the energy, IT, and agricultural infrastructure (especially since those industries are already so deeply intertwined with the US anyway). Afghanistan was a nightmare because many of the people spent significant portions of their lives off the grid and so had contingencies - modern Canadians are not that.

Those are honestly very great points that most people don't think about. I'd say most westerners, including most people in this thread, rely completely on the modern world and it's luxuries. The people autistic enough to learn how to live off the land don't seem like the types of people who would die for 10 million Jeets or boomer pensions (Neither are the "Resistance" larpers though, they just pretend they would).

It basically cuts Canada in half, forcing possible Chinese troop deployments to sail through the arctic to reach Ottawa. Gets rid of China's biggest reasons to stay interested in Canada by cutting off the oil access,

From a geopolitical prospective that would be amazing for Amerikkka and horrible for China. Also I think China would completely give up on Canada at that point, since like you said, their main reason for caring about Canada (the western resources) is gone.

 

[R9K Insurgent]

For all the insurgency/resistance posting on every Canadian subreddit I feel like they are ignoring/memory holing the fact that they are currently and actively banning guns. People bring up America's struggles with the Afghan but they forget that they had tons and tons of weapons. Left over Soviet weapons from their time fighting them and what was left behind, and the afghans also had weapons America gave them to combat the soviets.
We don't have that! Where there was at least a functional AK in every Afghan household, there is only maybe a Lee-Enfield, and maybe an SKS or a mosin or something similar. Possibly a few handguns, and the rest of the guns that have not been prohibited are pinned to 5 rounds and are hunting rifles or sporting shotguns. What is that going to do? I also bet most of the people who would ever talk about being part of an insurgency do not actually have a PAL or have guns in the immediate family. The feelings of the majority on guns are very averse.
In reply to the reddit comment, the circumstances for having tons of adults get weapons training like the Swiss do are not there. Processing times for PALs are already abysmal and I doubt there are enough ranges in every area to get more than a dozen people done a day.

If you needed another example of how foot in mouth these retards are, here you go.
https://x.com/sarkonakj/status/1897429402037764519

There were quite a few stories during the uncertainty of covid of people trying to get firearms, only for them to walk into a gun store, be laughed at by the store employees and told that they can come back in 6-12 months after they take a firearms course, send in an application for a license, wait, and finally get the license. Stories like this alone are a good example of how retarded many Canadians are, they don't like America, they love not being American, but then they think they can walk into a gun store and buy any ol gun as if they were an American lol.

We don't have that! Where there was at least a functional AK in every Afghan household, there is only maybe a Lee-Enfield, and maybe an SKS or a mosin or something similar. Possibly a few handguns, and the rest of the guns that have not been prohibited are pinned to 5 rounds and are hunting rifles or sporting shotguns. What is that going to do? I also bet most of the people who would ever talk about being part of an insurgency do not actually have a PAL or have guns in the immediate family.

More than that, the people who do have those firearms, especially those who have more capable firearms like AR15s, VZ58s, Type 81s (all now illegal to own and use), almost all of them are going to be sympathetic to an American take over. If you're an avid shooter and it's one of your biggest interests/hobbies in life, there is absolutely ZERO reason for you to support the Canadian government.

 

[The ATF Disliked That]

I said something similar before, but hearing about all these retarded boomers and troon crazy hair color creatures being apart of the conquered populace would make me very reluctant to invade. Just let them know that giving us Alberta, Yukon, and NWT spares the rest of Canada.

 

[Fcret]

I said something similar before, but hearing about all these retarded boomers and troon crazy hair color creatures being apart of the conquered populace would make me very reluctant to invade. Just let them know that giving us Alberta, Yukon, and NWT spares the rest of Canada.

Taking any of the provinces essentially means taking all of them. Besides Alberta being one of the few net payers into equalization, an American Alberta also splits the country geographically and deepens dependence on the US. There's no scenario where the EU or China can support a Canada under siege - Europe is weak on force projection and tied up in its own shit right now and China arguably doesn't even have the force projection to manage its neighborhood. Neither are going to expend resources to try and resuscitate a terminal Canada.

A split Canada would slowly decay into a series of American protectorates and would almost certainly end in all of them joining the US.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

He was the owner of the Edmonton Oilers during the Gretzky years. He traded Gretzky and most of the teams for some nobodies and 15 million to keep his meat packing plant. In an attempt to break the union during a strike he hired scabs from Quebec and then afterwards imported Somalis. He couldn't keep the plant going and got into a deal where he bilked the province, the province took control of the plant to recoup their loan and had no idea how to run a meat plant. Shocking I know. The province unloaded it a few years later for a song.

Pocklington did NOT actually trade Gretzky.

Gretzky’s contract was sold to the Los Angeles Kings for $10 million cash.

 

[Betonhaus]

I said something similar before, but hearing about all these retarded boomers and troon crazy hair color creatures being apart of the conquered populace would make me very reluctant to invade. Just let them know that giving us Alberta, Yukon, and NWT spares the rest of Canada.

And that little bit of BC that's northeast of the rocky mountains

 

[The ATF Disliked That]

And that little bit of BC that's northeast of the rocky mountains

I guess we know where Betonhaus lives now.

 

[Betonhaus]

I guess we know where Betonhaus lives now.

dumbass

 

[The Cum Beast]

A split Canada would slowly decay into a series of American protectorates and would almost certainly end in all of them joining the US.

Due to the state of Canadian "culture", joining the USA would basically be permanent, there would be no turning back.

Stories like this alone are a good example of how retarded many Canadians are, they don't like America, they love not being American, but then they think they can walk into a gun store and buy any ol gun as if they were an American lol.

It's funny but also pretty sad how many Canadians barley know anything about their own country, to the point they genuinely think we have the same laws as America. Also I don't think any FOBs will enlist for the army, just a hunch.

 

[R9K Insurgent]

I don't think any FOBs will enlist for the army, just a hunch.

Well if they are, and they're going to for the great defense of Canada! They better get to it because it takes probably about a year to train someone in basic infantry

our populace are retarded.

I believe Terry Davis coined a term for such a populace, I believe that term was Nigger Cattle

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

The healthier thing to do is for Canada to fix itself.

Something Canadians stubbornly refuse to do because their entire identity is predicated on being better than those savage yanks.

 

[Brutality]

I'm kinda surprised Carney is getting so much glazing in Canada.

He's still relatively new and the current liberal darling. Not much of a surprise