Canada is a failed state

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I'm not quite sure if i'll notice right away. Things will get more expensive yes, but they are doing that anyways to the point that I haven't been buying much stuff.
 
Betonhaus said:
I'm not quite sure if i'll notice right away
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I'd say it entirely depends on whether or not the fuckheads in Ottawa decide to pretend to do their jobs and come back from vacation early. If yes, maybe it'll take a bit. If no, I think we'll have a pretty sharp descent because it'll be clear to everyone (especially the USA) that we have no fucking government whatsoever.
 
The only thing disappointing for me about this is that Trump isn't hitting oil and gas immediately, and when he does, coming in at a lower rate. I want Ottawa and our federal parties to get a rude wake up call, I want the near certainty that some Liberal moron will convince Sock Boy to implement energy export taxes (because they all go into federal coffers) and induce the next Alberta unity crisis. We came close with the Trans Mountain pipeline, the handling of these tariffs may finally be the trigger.

Also any major shock would force the Libs to recall Parliament early because lmao at holding off on tariff relief for two months while watching Ontario's manufacturing sector potentially get gutted. Good luck banking on Carney for a miracle election win if Upper Canada decides to double down on Tory blue.
 
Trudeau and the rest of our government are absolutely banking on the average Canadians' blind hatred for Trump to deflect the blame away from them.
 
Scale Smerch said:
The only thing disappointing for me about this is that Trump isn't hitting oil and gas immediately, and when he does, coming in at a lower rate. I want Ottawa and our federal parties to get a rude wake up call, I want the near certainty that some Liberal moron will convince Sock Boy to implement energy export taxes (because they all go into federal coffers) and induce the next Alberta unity crisis. We came close with the Trans Mountain pipeline, the handling of these tariffs may finally be the trigger.

Also any major shock would force the Libs to recall Parliament early because lmao at holding off on tariff relief for two months while watching Ontario's manufacturing sector potentially get gutted. Good luck banking on Carney for a miracle election win if Upper Canada decides to double down on Tory blue.
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Honestly that's likely because of Danielle Smith actually being respectful to Trump and trying to work with him. I don't really want to suffer from the children in Ontario crashing the economy, and this is a good sign that Trump will be fair to those that at least try to work with him.
 
Betonhaus said:
Honestly that's likely because of Danielle Smith actually being respectful to Trump and trying to work with him. I don't really want to suffer from the children in Ontario crashing the economy, and this is a good sign that Trump will be fair to those that at least try to work with him.
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None of the Failsons of the Laurentian Elite (we don’t even have competent members of the Laurentian Elite / Family compact anymore that may have had some semblance of Noblesse oblige) have even bothered to read Trump’s the Art of the Deal in the past 10 years trump has been a political figure.

If they had they would know exactly what you said he would be fair to those willing to hear him out and address his concerns (fentanyl drug smuggling on Injun reservations)
 
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Michigander here, despite being in a region directly impacted by Canada cutting off energy exports, I don't feel any fear, it seems like the overwhelmingly likely outcome is that our electricity bills are higher for a little while and then we localize our power grid and take away Canadian leverage for the future. Does the average Canadian actually think this move is going to accomplish more than that? Do any of your politicians actually believe they're not just bluffing to their constituents? I have friends and family in Canada and it's been very depressing following along and hearing about the decline for this last decade, I'm praying for all you good leafs to weather this storm
 
AngryAboutInternets said:
The average Canadian is fucking retarded bro. If they have thoughts about this at all, it's "orange man bad" and "oh they're gonna be sorry they messed with us!". I live here, I can assure you of that.
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It bewilders me that anyone could possibly think that way. Don't they realise the sheer economic and population imbalance between Canada and American? 40 million people to over 300 million. There's more people in the latter than the former by a pratical order or magnitude. California alone is home to just as people as Canada, and commands a far most robust economy too. How could anyone believe that this quaint little service economy, literally bound to the hip to the most powerful nation on Earth, could go one-on-one against them in a tariff war with numbers like that?

I'm from Down Under. And I can guarantee you everybody here knows full well that we tread lightly around China for the same reason. For better or for worst. How can that be common knowledge here. but someone so many Canadians are blissfully ignorant of? Fucking Australia, a country so similar to Canada, that we're functionally just the Great White North if you lived in a scorching desert instead of a frozen tundra. Can fully comprehend this, but the average Canadian urban shitlib cannot? No wonder your elites are walking you towards economic oblivion with shiteating smiles on their faces.

I apologise for my sperging, but it's hard to describe in any less words how little sense your Laurentide overlords reaction to Trump's tarriffs make. Especially from the perspective of an outsider looking in.
 
Store Brand Cereal said:
It bewilders me that anyone could possibly think that way. Don't they realise the sheer economic and population imbalance between Canada and American? 40 million people to over 300 million. There's more people in the latter than the former by a pratical order or magnitude. California alone is home to just as people as Canada, and commands a far most robust economy too. How could anyone believe that this quaint little service economy, literally bound to the hip to the most powerful nation on Earth, could go one-on-one against them in a tariff war with numbers like that?

I'm from Down Under. And I can guarantee you everybody here knows full well that we tread lightly around China for the same reason. For better or for worst. How can that be common knowledge here. but someone so many Canadians are blissfully ignorant of? Fucking Australia, a country so similar to Canada, that we're functionally just the Great White North if you lived in a scorching desert instead of a frozen tundra. Can fully comprehend this, but the average Canadian urban shitlib cannot? No wonder your elites are walking you towards economic oblivion with shiteating smiles on their faces.

I apologise for my sperging, but it's hard to describe in any less words how little sense your Laurentide overlords reaction to Trump's tarriffs make. Especially from the perspective of an outsider looking in.
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as someone pointed out earlier, even China doesn't want a trade war with the US, and they're arguably the nation with the best shot to go toe to toe with them.

The Laurentians have the audacity to play with the Canadian economy, try to gaslight Canadians (easy) and subject them to economic fallout knowing full well that a trade war, in the long term, will easily favour the US.

Sure, some border towns in Michigan, Montana, etc may have less lumber and oil for several weeks. Sure, you may have less cars being sent in to Detroit from Windsor for a bit- but the US has the reserves of the rest of the nation to draw upon and unironically can rebuild, reactivate, and recalibrate its industry domestically.

Its going to wind up bad for Canadians, and I dont think most will realize that 4 years of 'orange cheeto man bad' from Trudeau when Trump was out of office was a retarded move. Never missing an opportunity to insult the man globally was a brilliant. Even Stephen Harper, in interviews, said that this contributed directly to the worsening relationship between the two nations.

Canadians who think 'oh boy, were going to cut off power to people living in upstate NY' (or so Doug Ford says) are the equivalent of morons who, when someone is pointing a gun at them, think splashing their starbucks coffee at the dude is 'owning' them and will somehow miraculously result in something other than getting shot. Not even saying the US is a bully here. In many ways, American rhetoric and the US position is justified. They do lose a lot in the trade deals between our nations. They were gracious enough to allow it because we were friendly nations- to a point.

Its high time that Canadians learn to stop being so smug, condescending, and bitter when the neighbor to the south literally has the nation by the balls and is doing us a favour in terms of trade deals.

I just hope that it ends soon
 
Blindeye said:
Michigander here, despite being in a region directly impacted by Canada cutting off energy exports, I don't feel any fear, it seems like the overwhelmingly likely outcome is that our electricity bills are higher for a little while and then we localize our power grid and take away Canadian leverage for the future. Does the average Canadian actually think this move is going to accomplish more than that? Do any of your politicians actually believe they're not just bluffing to their constituents? I have friends and family in Canada and it's been very depressing following along and hearing about the decline for this last decade, I'm praying for all you good leafs to weather this storm
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per RBC study 50% of Canadians worried about the financial future and an ungoldly number of people living paycheck to paycheck. 1 in 4 using foodbanks and 18% already in arrears. BEFORE tarrifs.

A US tradewar and economic disaster is just the shot in the arm Canadian liberals need right now to hold on to power and buttress their globohomo worldviews. They are giddy, not even remotely concerned. Every price in Canada will go up due to inflation (Justo cutting rates while planning to print money) but more so various interests and monopolies whether they are export or not will decide they need to "make up the difference" in loss of trade by gouging every Canadian for whatever they can. Or just plain opportunism. Canadians will just take it and blame Trump. Won't even be any honking this time.
 
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