Canada is a failed state

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Never Scored said:
I mean, I can't say offering MAID to homeless drug addicts it the worst idea in the world. It's kind of based tbh.
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I saw an article a few weeks ago about BC's government considering mandatory treatment for such drug addicts, similar to the kind of involuntary treatment they give people who are deemed a threat to themselves or others. This sounds fantastic.

While the odds of the person not relapsing after treatment are pretty low, I am convinced that most of these druggies will get their shit together after a few different stays in the hospital. This may sound optimistic, but hear me out: my wife's sister works on one of those mental ward hospital floors where they keep the suicidal and such; these are usually right next door to the rehab units. I have stopped by from time to time with my wife for random shit like taking her sister out to lunch, and I have seen what it's like there and heard stories of what it's like for patients there. They don't get any privacy whatsoever and all they can do during the day is read, sleep, or shout obscenities. Every modern device has a camera and Internet capabilities, so the most you could bring with you is an original gameboy, if they even let you keep it. Bear in mind that the lack of privacy means most of these guys have lot of pent up... frustration, if you will. Sounds like hell, right? Who would want to be continually forced back there multiple times due to their own shitty actions and lack of control?

I say at least try this before offering to kill them. Most of these people aren't beyond saving, and a lot of them started with legitimate painkiller prescriptions; we have a duty to our fellow man to at least try.
 
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y a t s said:
I saw an article a few weeks ago about BC's government considering mandatory treatment for such drug addicts, similar to the kind of involuntary treatment they give people who are deemed a threat to themselves or others. This sounds fantastic.

While the odds of the person not relapsing after treatment are pretty low, I am convinced that most of these druggies will get their shit together after a few different stays in the hospital. This may sound optimistic, but hear me out: my wife's sister works on one of those mental ward hospital floors where they keep the suicidal and such; these are usually right next door to the rehab units. I have stopped by from time to time with my wife for random shit like taking her sister out to lunch, and I have seen what it's like there and heard stories of what it's like for patients there. They don't get any privacy whatsoever and all they can do during the day is read, sleep, or shout obscenities. Every modern device has a camera and Internet capabilities, so the most you could bring with you is an original gameboy, if they even let you keep it. Bear in mind that the lack of privacy means most of these guys have lot of pent up... frustration, if you will. Sounds like hell, right? Who would want to be continually forced back there multiple times due to their own shitty actions and lack of control?

I say at least try this before offering to kill them. Most of these people aren't beyond saving, and a lot of them started with legitimate painkiller prescriptions; we have a duty to our fellow man to at least try.
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I very much doubt we have the resources to do this, and I dislike the idea of mandatory medical anything on principle, but other than generous MAID offers I don't see any other solutions for a certain percentage of the chronically homeless. Some of them will never live like a human being without strict supervision. As of now the best case scenario is warehousing the semi-salvageable people in shitty housing projects and cutting them welfare checks, and in all honesty if they're able to keep their shit in their own backyard and not cause any real trouble I could not care less if they do drugs in privacy. Most of these people are too fucked to have any chance of gainful employment, and if you've ever dealt with a personality-disordered retard like this in the workplace (or been served by one and subject to their incompetence), you might end up willing to contribute tax dollars to keep them the fuck away from you.

I can't advocate for it in good conscience, but drugs or not, getting kicked back into residential "treatment" for a spell if you're a disgusting hoarder or otherwise trash everything to the point you're making it unlivable for the others mightn't go amiss either in this scenario. Your right to be protected and accommodated for "muh mental health" issues needs to fucking end at the point where you're so disruptive, unsanitary, dangerous, or destructive that your bullshit is interfering with other peoples' lives, living spaces and property. Essentially any system like this should be focused on tard wrangling the fuckups who need it while leaving the functional addicts alone.
 

A man broke into a London, Ont., girl's room. After deal on a lower plea, her mom says there's been no justice​

By all accounts, police investigated the 13-year-old's accusation appropriately, her mother said. They took fingerprints and pictures of cuts in the window screen. The man was charged that same day with sexual assault and break and enter.

But in February 2024, after a deal betweenn prosecutors and the defense, the man pleaded guilty in the Ontario Court of Justice to the lesser charge of being unlawfully in a dwelling house. His punishment is what's called a conditional discharge — probation for a year, during which time he's not allowed to be near the girl's home or anywhere she might be.

In four months, when the one-year conditions of his sentence expire, the man will be allowed to move back next door to the girl and her family. If he doesn't get into further legal trouble by February 2027, he won't have a criminal record. The child and her mother were not given their time in court to deliver victim impact statements before sentencing.
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Plea bargains are used first and foremost for efficiency, said Palma Paciocco, an associate professor at Osgoode Hall Law School at York University in Toronto.

"We have a very under-resourced criminal justice system relative to the number of charges that come through the door, and the reality is that the system would collapse under its own weight if we didn't have a large percentage of criminal charges resolved by guilty plea. In other words, we simply cannot afford to have everybody who is charged with a crime go to trial."
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This person (whose name is under a publication ban, of course) will inevitably escalate to committing a horrific crime against a child in the future if left in the public; and judges and lawyers are laundering his crime, on the record, down to being unlawfully in a house... to plea him out... because we don't have the legal infrastructure to put perverts in jail it seems.
 
So when do we start seeing curry-flavored Soylent green on the market? As I can't see what the end game is otherwise.
 
Betonhaus said:
I try not to pay attention to Canadian news as it'll give me ulcers, but TikTok is blowing up about parliament allegedly being shut down until charges against the liberals get addressed, is there any truth to this?
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Yes, it's true. Basically, the LPC used a now defunct Green Technology company as their own personal slush fund to the tune of $400 million, or some such. The Conservatives are demanding that the Liberals hand over the documents relating to the financials of this company, but the Liberals are sticking their fingers in their ears and going "nuh uh! You can't make us!!"
So the Conservatives have gone into filibuster mode with endless debates until the Liberals hand over the documents to the RCMP.
This has ground Parliament to a halt for 8 straight days now.
 
Yttrium said:
Yes, it's true. Basically, the LPC used a now defunct Green Technology company as their own personal slush fund to the tune of $400 million, or some such. The Conservatives are demanding that the Liberals hand over the documents relating to the financials of this company, but the Liberals are sticking their fingers in their ears and going "nuh uh! You can't make us!!"
So the Conservatives have gone into filibuster mode with endless debates until the Liberals hand over the documents to the RCMP.
This has ground Parliament to a halt for 8 straight days now.
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When your own government decides to become ungovernable you know shit's fucked. A real functioning government would have kept running because everyone got their cut.
 
I am for mandatory drug treatment.

When the British helped escalate the Opium Wars with China, China's society basically collapsed due to drug addiction. The economy, social welfare, the work force, family values etc. because it was so prevalent and common for everyone to be doing it. China eventually said no more and went after the internal local drug dealers, put bans on the trade of it within the country and then forced all the addicts into treatment. You don't see the same level of drug problems now because it's so strict and very anti social behavior to be caught with it.

I think China is both aware and holds a massive grudge for the damage done during the Opium Wars on the actual citizens and that is why they are the biggest producers of fentanyl and opium in general. My conspiracy mind would say it was a planned crisis by China on the West but that's another thread.

Although I understand that there's a lack of voluntary treatment space now for the massive amount of addicts, I don't think spending more money to provide voluntary treatment alone would solve the problem. The de/criminalization of drugs was in itself an attempt to allow people to seek treatment but that clearly did not have the intended results. Almost every addict you meet will tell you they absolutely totally want to get clean and they're definitely going to treatment soon. They know its there. They are not choosing that option for whatever reason.

I read a comment elsewhere by an old woman who said if she began to show signs of dementia and wandered the streets and shouted at people, they'd properly diagnose her and force her to treat her dementia. We consider that compassionate care because she's "lost her mind" and is "incapable of caring for herself". Yet we assume someone in the deepest realms of addiction will just wake up and take themselves to treatment. If addiction is the disease that some people claim it is, then we can't ignore someone suffering from a disease that's rotting their brain.

If it's a mental health issue instead, a disorder of the intangible mind, then it categorically falls under self harm. In most other obvious cases of self harm, you will be involuntarily held (usually for an ineffective amount of time due to the failing system). Therefore it seems to me the only obvious choice is to invest in the resources needed to enact involuntarily drug treatment for the perpetually anti-social addicts. This can't be done under the current system - no politician should just make this mandatory and walk away because the health care system isn't there to make that actually work.

I've seen debates that you also need to fix affordable housing and everything else but I think you need to create an incentive to support truly affordable housing when many landlords and developers can see there is no reason to build as downtown cores become ghettos due to drug addicted vagrants. So the first real investment is healthcare and mandatory treatment to try and plug up the massive wound that only grows everyday and give some people a fighting chance again.

I don't think it will work for everyone but even if it had a 50% success rate, that's 50% less addicts. Hell, with what I see on a daily basis living in a downtown, even 25% would be something. I also think that you'll have about a year of ongoing retard deaths of the addicts released who immediately go back to getting high until its ingrained in the culture that it's basically a death wish to do it. In which case, such folks who are most likely to return to the drugs immediately (like within days of release) are transferred into mental health facilities as a suicide risk to work through the lingering mental health issues. Again, you'll lose some people along the way but probably less than you were going to lose by doing nothing or expecting the infirm to help themselves. This is the actual "war on drugs" and people die during wars. Like... a lot, sometimes.
 
Yttrium said:
Yes, it's true. Basically, the LPC used a now defunct Green Technology company as their own personal slush fund to the tune of $400 million, or some such. The Conservatives are demanding that the Liberals hand over the documents relating to the financials of this company, but the Liberals are sticking their fingers in their ears and going "nuh uh! You can't make us!!"
So the Conservatives have gone into filibuster mode with endless debates until the Liberals hand over the documents to the RCMP.
This has ground Parliament to a halt for 8 straight days now.
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Can we just line both sides up against the wall and do a firing squad?
 
The same government that debanked people for opposing tyranny are allowing pro-Palestine protesters to chant "death to Canada" while marching down the street.
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OutInTheRain said:
Trudeau's cultists just mystify me. With all the evidence to the contrary, they still don't see how utterly awful he is. The sheer amount of scandals, that occured in his first term, would have buried every other PM. They nearly did, with him winning a minority on re-election. An unheard result for Liberal PM's. But there are people who are still ride or die Liberals.

I don't understand the Conservative penchant for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, but at least run people who can generate enthusiasm for you. Canadian's are tired of the Con's rushing to be Liberal lite, everytime they get a sniff of power. That's why that party implodes every twenty years and has to merge with its dissident factions. You'd think they would learn, after it has happened multiple times.
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This is because Canada is a highly stratified and centralized society much like Qing China or a colony of the Spanish Empire. Everyone with ambition, acumen, and connections becomes a bureaucrat or rises through the ranks of a corporation that is effectively an extension of the state bureaucracy (aside from the many who emigrate). This means when that bureaucratic class embraces a stupid course of action, course correction is almost impossible because there is no rival elite to challenge them or set them straight. Any real solutions to their predicament are dismissed as the ravings of resentful cranks.. because the people proposing them are often just that.

Also Dean Blundell's posts are quite prolific now, he's descended into a Jim Stewartson tier TruAnon nutcase, complete with his own website. There's probably enough material for a thread but I'm too lazy at the moment. I wonder what the shock jock version of Troll's Remorse is called, because between him and Howard Stern it seems to happen often.
 
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Lobster Cult High Priest said:
Can we just line both sides up against the wall and do a firing squad?
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only if the jeets and sikhs are first. I'm so tired of these rag head carpetbaggers shitting up the parties pretending to be Canadian.
Anyone else remember Air India Flight 182 ?
The single most deadly attack against Canadians.
The subsequent investigation and prosecution lasted almost twenty years. This was the most expensive trial in Canadian history, costing nearly C$130 million. The two accused, Ripudaman Singh Malik and Ajaib Singh Bagri, were both acquitted and found not guilty.

The Governor General-in-Council in 2006 appointed the former Supreme Court Justice John C. Major to conduct a commission of inquiry. His report, which was completed and released on 17 June 2010, concluded that a "cascading series of errors" by the Government of Canada, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) had allowed the terrorist attack to take place.[15]

The Canadian government had been warned by the Indian R&AW about the possibility of terrorist bombs aboard Air India flights in Canada, and over two weeks before the crash, CSIS reported to the RCMP that the potential threat to Air India as well as Indian missions in Canada was high.[47]

In June 1985, there was an Air India telex message that suggested planes could be targeted by "time delay devices." Lieutenant-Governor of Ontario James Bartleman also testified that, as a senior intelligence official in the federal Department of External Affairs, he saw a security "intercept" with a specific warning of a threat against the airline on the weekend of the bombing.[137]
In his verdict, Justice Ian Josephson cited "unacceptable negligence" by CSIS when hundreds of wiretaps of the suspects and other informants were destroyed.[142][143] Of the 210 wiretaps that were recorded during the months before and after the bombing, 156 were erased. These tapes continued to be erased even after the terrorists had become the primary suspects in the bombing.[144]

Because the original wiretap records were erased, they were inadmissible as evidence in court.[145] CSIS claimed the wiretap recordings contained no relevant information, but an RCMP memo states that "There is a strong likelihood that had CSIS retained the tapes between March and August 1985, that a successful prosecution of at least some of principals in both bombings could have been undertaken."[146] "The CSIS investigation was so badly bungled that there was a near mutiny by CSIS officers involved in the probe," said the agent who destroyed the tapes once he had been granted anonymity in January 2000 by Globe and Mail journalists.[143] One agent "said he felt compelled to destroy the tapes (that were in his possession) because he was morally obliged to do everything in his power to protect the safety of his sources. ' decided it was a moral issue... If their identity had become known in the Sikh community, they would have been killed. There is no doubt in my mind about that.''[143]

Tara Singh Hayer, the publisher of the Indo-Canadian Times and a member of the Order of British Columbia,[147] provided an affidavit to the RCMP in 1995 claiming that he was present during a conversation in which Bagri admitted his involvement in the bombings.[148] While at the London offices of fellow Sikh newspaper publisher Tarsem Singh Purewal, Hayer claimed he overheard a meeting between Purewal and Bagri in which Bagri stated that "if everything had gone as planned the plane would have blown up at Heathrow airport with no passengers on it. But because the plane was a half-hour to three quarters of an hour late, it blew up over the ocean."[citation needed] On 24 January that same year, Purewal was killed near the offices of the Des Pardes newspaper in Southall, England, leaving Hayer as the only other witness.[149]

On 18 November 1998, Hayer was shot dead while getting out of his car in the garage of his home in Surrey, British Columbia.[150] Hayer had survived an earlier attempt on his life in 1988, but was paralysed and used a wheelchair.[150] As a consequence of his murder, the affidavit was inadmissible as evidence.[151] This was later cited as a reason why the suspects in the bombing were eventually acquitted in 2005.

During an interview with Bagri on 28 October 2000, RCMP agents described Surjan Singh Gill as an agent for CSIS, saying the reason that he resigned from the Babbar Khalsa was because his CSIS handlers told him to pull out.[152]

After the subsequent failure of CSIS to stop the bombing of Flight 182, the head of CSIS was replaced by Reid Morden. In an interview for CBC Television's news program The National, Morden claimed that CSIS "dropped the ball" in its handling of the case. A Security Intelligence Review Committee cleared CSIS of any wrongdoing. However, that report remains secret to this day. As of June 2003, the Canadian government continued to insist that there was no mole involved.[153][154]


I also recall Jeetmutt Singh donating food and money and supplies to this groups charity front. You don't hate them enough
 
Brutality said:
Pajeet Singh will never jeopardize his pension. Until his future as a champagne socialist is secured he's staying right where he is
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People keep bringing up the pension thing about Jagmeet but these people fail to realize the Jagmeet is motivated to help his own kind first. Pajeets are super nepotistic. It's why India is a shithole cause of the caste system. These people divide themselves even though they all the same shit. Jagmeet just cares about importing more of his kind. He is constantly fighting against the deportations of the "international students". I never trust any shitskin in power as they are either a puppet or just only gonna work for their own kind. It's not about the money for Jagmeet but to completely change the country to Khalsastan.
 
Day of the Cope said:
The same government that debanked people for opposing tyranny are allowing pro-Palestine protesters to chant "death to Canada" while marching down the street.
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This is how you can tell places like Canada or America are under occupation governments. Any non-occupation government would crack down hard on anyone actively calling for an end to their power or for the death of their nation, which is exactly what "death to canada" is.
 
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