Canada is a failed state

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Campbell_Trio said:
I get you are projecting because you are the one baiting but you look like a retard responding to "all religions have violent people in them" with nonsense rambling about muslims.
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All religions are not the same. Only a retard will make a blanket statement like "ALL RELIGION HAVE VIOLENT PEOPL IN THEM." It's a bad faith position and very low IQ.
 
To get away from all the slap fighting, take a gander at this.

NDP Insanity

Some highlights of the NDP leadership debate.

New Democratic Party leadership candidates vying for the 2026 race put their hard-left agenda on full display in a recent debate, pitching radical ideas like a “universal basic income,” “public grocery stores,” and blatant calls for wealth redistribution.

The event, held Nov. 27 in Montreal, featured Rob Ashton, Tanille Johnston, Avi Lewis, Heather McPherson and Tony McQuail as potential leadership candidates. Interim party leader Don Davies did not attend.

Topics ranged from affordability and inequality to relations with Quebec, with the debate conducted in a blend of English and French. While the format aimed for “inclusivity,” it highlighted tensions in a party grappling with its socialist roots amid broader electoral challenges.

The debate’s format was typical. Each candidate received 45 seconds for opening remarks, followed by questions from a moderator that were answered in a combination of English and French.

Eight-minute “rounds” of questions and answers followed, with each candidate given slightly more than one minute to express their desired solutions or opinions on a variety of topics.

The “get to know you” segment provided some early lighthearted moments. When asked what might surprise people about them, McPherson, an Alberta MP, offered: “I like baking cookies.”

Yet beneath the levity lay radical proposals that echoed communist themes, with some of the rhetoric sounding fairly radical and some diluted by the party’s social-democratic framework.

For example, on “affordability,” candidates were asked how they would propose to reduce the overall “cost of living” for working-class Canadians.

B.C. union leader and NDP leadership hopeful Rob Ashton responded, in part, by saying that “all the power belongs to workers,” before launching into a call for widespread “price caps.”

“We’re going to put caps on the price of groceries, on the internet we all use, and on our cell phone bills,” Ashton said.

Avi Lewis, an environmental activist and son of former Ontario NDP leader Stephen Lewis, went one step further. “Price caps, sure, to lower prices!” he said exuberantly, “but then also public grocery stores to stabilize them.”

Notably, in communist regimes like the Soviet Union, price caps and government-run grocery stores frequently led to widespread shortages, black markets and economic inefficiencies.

Ashton and Lewis further invoked Marxist language, criticizing “big corporations owning the means of production” and advocating redistribution of corporate profits to fund public services.

Tanille Johnston, who introduced herself as a proud Liǧʷiłdax̌ʷ woman from the We Wai Kai First Nation, said the federal NDP “needs to make better use of student activists.” On education, Johnston promised free post-secondary for everyone—a policy echoing past promises from high-profile socialist politicians like Bernie Sanders.

Tony McQuail, an American-born Ontario organic farmer who says he first ran for leadership of the party “in 1980,” spent most of his time going on long tirades about electoral reform.

“Tony, we only got eight minutes!” Lewis chided during one such rambling discourse on the topic.

McQuail was flustered but undeterred by the interruption.

“Yea, but you’ve got seven more and there are only four more of you, so let me make my point!” he shot back.

MP Heather McPherson, meanwhile, used language that appeared to revert back to the NDP’s previous leader Jagmeet Singh’s unique brand of identity politics, decrying the “attaquer les trans kids” when referring to policies in her home-province of Alberta.

While the debate leaned social-democratic overall, several moments veered into more radical territory, criticizing corporate power, calling for wealth seizure and using Marxist-inspired language like “means of production.”
According to an Angus Reid poll from earlier this year, when asked if they would consider the NDP in a future federal election, just 13 per cent of Canadians say this is “definitely” something they will do.

I just love how it's a smorgasbord of insanity, seemingly imported from the US. Price caps which never work, public grocery stores which will suck. White women claiming to be native. I wish the NDP leadership got more press, this is the most entertaining Canadian politics have been for a while.
 
OutInTheRain said:
I just love how it's a smorgasbord of insanity, seemingly imported from the US. Price caps which never work, public grocery stores which will suck. White women claiming to be native. I wish the NDP leadership got more press, this is the most entertaining Canadian politics have been for a while.
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You know what's funny, I came across an equally critical piece from "Communist Revolution" on X:
Thursday’s NDP leadership debate in Montreal was most notable for what it didn’t include.

Missing was any mention of Carney’s plan to boost military spending by over $82 billion, either by the debate’s moderator or the candidates. No one thought it necessary to discuss the NDP’s role in propping up the Liberals under Jagmeet Singh, despite its undeniable role in sinking the party’s fortunes.

Gaza was not mentioned once—in fact, nothing to do with foreign policy or the world outside of Canada was deemed fit to include in the 90-minute broadcast. Even Trump was somehow ignored, something which would no doubt displease him if he knew or cared about the NDP.

Instead, viewers were treated to an hour and a half of candidates sharing what people “would find most surprising about them” (Heather Macpherson likes baking cookies), a contest of who could say the words “working class” the most in one sentence (Rob Ashton won), and the sage advice one candidate learned from tending to horses. Even these points were only partly intelligible as the debate was conducted partly in French—a language which only one of the candidates seemed able to speak, and even then not particularly well.

To be fair, there were some redeemable moments. Avi Lewis spoke about the need for establishing a publicly owned grocer and telco company (though not taking existing companies into public ownership). Ashton called for the repeal of Section 107 of the Labour Code, a clause used to break a number of recent strikes. However, these few carefully choreographed talking points were lost somewhere between the endless supply of cringe moments and poor French. Moreover, the fact that these fairly mild points stood out only illustrated how barren the NDP has become of any real socialist ideas.

Most intelligent viewers of Thursday’s debate (insofar as there were any viewers) probably left with the distinct impression that its participants must have been living under a rock for the past five years—otherwise, how else could they have so little to say about so many of the burning problems facing Canada and the NDP? Either that, or they turned it off out of second hand embarrassment.

Where’s Yves Engler?

The other notable absence was Yves Engler. The long time author and socialist activist had announced his candidacy for NDP leader months before, submitting his application a week before the debate. Despite this, Engler was excluded from the event on the grounds that the “vetting” of his candidacy had not yet been completed.

This was all just part of the “process,” as fellow candidate Avi Lewis explained in response to a question from one of Engler’s supporters. Nothing to see here. Yes, this is all part of a “process” in which an unelected three person committee decides who is allowed to participate. This is something you would expect to see in a theocratic dictatorship like Iran and not a party which claims to be a “democratic” party of the workers.

But even Lewis’ claim that this was just part of the “process” falls apart when met with the first bit of scrutiny. Afterall, Engler was not just excluded from the debate, but also from the candidate’s “meet and greet” event open to all NDP members—which Engler is. In violation of his rights as a member, Engler has also been excluded from party conventions all over the country while other candidates have been met with open arms.

This is all part of what seems to be an organized campaign to exclude Engler from the leadership contest. Engler had been subjected to malicious claims from organizers involved with other candidates’ campaigns about his being a “grifter.” Insinuations were made, without evidence, of possible bad dealings in his campaign finances.

This gossip was then amplified by the NDP’s own chief electoral officer, which publicly accused Engler in October of “misleading” his supporters as to the status of his campaign—despite Engler’s quite clear stance that he would submit his papers to the NDP at a later date for strategic reasons.

In truth, the NDP brass had likely decided as soon as Engler announced his candidacy that he should be prevented from running on one pretext or another.

Engler has long been known for confronting politicians on the street, phone in hand, over their support for Israel and other despicable regimes. Engler’s books have documented the crimes of Canadian imperialism through the years, including one dedicated wholly to the NDP’s history of supporting imperialist meddling. His campaign policies include many radical talking points, including the expropriation of large industries, the abolition of billionaires and the overthrow of capitalism.

These are not things which the NDP leadership wishes to be associated with. The party brass worries that Engler’s candidacy would disrupt an otherwise gentlemanly succession process for its next leader. They also fear that Engler’s participation would lead to the NDP being seen as unserious, or worse—not respectable.

However, as Thursday’s debate shows, the NDP is very much capable of embarrassing itself without Engler’s help.

In truth, if Engler had participated, it might have meant that many serious issues—whether it be militarism, the trade war or Gaza—were actually discussed. It might have also meant an actual debate taking place on the NDP’s past decisions, such as propping up Trudeau’s Liberals, instead of the “love in” that viewers got. The NDP tops seemingly had no interest in such a debate taking place.

The NDP leadership’s treatment of Yves Engler reveals a much deeper problem with the party. In its quest for respectability in Ottawa, as well as total control over its ranks, the party brass have lost touch with workers, young people and, increasingly, from reality. The NDP is not threatened by Engler so much as it is by itself and its own milquetoast approach.

But even the NDP brass cannot stop the inevitable process taking place in society. While they want a leader who does not threaten capitalism, most of the candidates cannot avoid criticizing capitalism and talk about the working class. In particular, Avi Lewis has criticized capitalism, says the NDP needs to be socialist and has said the labour movement needs a general strike.

But even if Lewis wins, without a thoroughgoing internal revolution to clear the house of this cabal of conservative bureaucrats, these people will maintain control of the party, stifling any genuine working class movement against capitalism. And we have already witnessed Lewis’ tendency to want to compromise with the party establishment when he refused to call on them to vote Carney’s war and austerity budget down.

What this lackluster NDP leadership race demonstrates is that a reckoning is desperately needed. The old reformist parliamentary careerism has miserably failed. We need a genuine working class party that unapologetically fights for a thoroughgoing socialist program as the only way to solve all of the pressing problems we face today.
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Are the NDP too communist or not communist enough?
 
OutInTheRain said:
I just love how it's a smorgasbord of insanity, seemingly imported from the US. Price caps which never work, public grocery stores which will suck. White women claiming to be native. I wish the NDP leadership got more press, this is the most entertaining Canadian politics have been for a while.
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I would be in favour of the grocery store one purely to spite Galen Weston's Loblaws and the Empire grocery conglomerate (Sobey's, Metro, Foodland)

That Boomer Tony McQuail has no chance in this "Elbows Up" environment
 
paddy_wagon said:
You know what's funny, I came across an equally critical piece from "Communist Revolution" on X:
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That was a good read.

A glimpse into the mind of a truly insane man who has lost touch with reality. The bougiest, of bougie beliefs and his champion in Yves Engler. I do believe that if Yves Engler was more prominent in the social media space he'd be a prime lolcow. Engler must come from money, because I doubt his books are making enough for him to live in Montreal. Which I pirated a couple the last time he came up in this thread and they are prime schizo babble. Of course he will most likely be upset that I dared steal from him. However, I believe he should be happy that someone finally read one.

This writer complaining that the NDP don't want to deal with a man who is obviously on the spectrum, who instead of trains is obsessed with failed economic policy. They accuse the party elders of the NDP of being conservative when they made their first good decision in years. Is just so hilariously unhinged it might be MovieBob ranting about moon wheat insane.

Even then the writer is ranting about a sand people conflict half the world away and Trump. Then having the gall to claim that because they NDP is not addressing these issues they are out of touch with workers, young people and even REALITY itself. Workers who are worried about supporting their families and keeping their jobs in face of the jeet plague. Young people being pushed out of the housing market and employment because of the jeet plague and decades of economic mismanagement. But according to this individual they really care about the fucking Gaza.

I don't even like the NDP and think they are there to suck up the retard vote. But this person is actually making me feel sympathetic to them.
 
Blackpilled right now just remembering the Reform Party in the 1990's. The last time conservatives tried to push back against liberal culture. God this country is so fucked. I forgot about them. Anyone else know them, or remember them? That is the origins of Stephen Harper, for those who don't know. Yes, that guy, he failed us, kept tip-toeing with the subject, "Old Stock Canadians." I think Poilievre had ties to it too. This country is so cucked now.

It's just so funny because in 2025 those talking points would be a lot more accepted especially online, its like we had to go through the horror before understanding it.
 
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