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Britney Spears reveals the horror film that is her life



It was heartbreaking to hear Britney Spears plead her case before a Los Angeles judge Wednesday, saying simply, “I just want my life back.”
Spears, who will be 40 this December, has been under her father’s conservatorship since 2008. Jamie Spears has controlled not only his daughter’s $60 million fortune but every aspect of her career and life — from terms of her Las Vegas residency to whether she could replace her kitchen cabinets.

No, Jamie told her. Too much money, even though she pays him $16,000 a month, is forced to pay for his attorneys — who have argued for years against her stated wishes, namely to be free — plus the cuts he gets from Britney’s tours and Vegas show.

“She is ‘sick of being taken advantage of,’ ” a court investigator reported in 2016, “and she said she is the one working but everyone around her is on her payroll.”
Spears was pulling in millions from her residency, but was allowed only $2,000 a week.

We’ve never heard Spears talk like this before. She’s never shared what she thinks or feels about the conservatorship — even as the #FreeBritney movement galvanized during the pandemic, as fans scoured her Instagram account for hidden messages or clues, as the documentary “Framing Britney Spears” made a case against the pop music machine, the media, and the public at large for victimizing Britney.

It’s sad, bracing stuff. Britney Spears has long been something of an American tragedy. She doesn’t want that anymore. She wants her independence and her father — who she describes as her tormentor — out of her life.“[My father] loved the control he had over me, one hundred thousand percent,” Britney told the judge.

This control, Britney said, extends to her sex life and whether she can have another child. “I have an IUD in my body right now they won’t let me take out,” she said.

This is “Handmaid’s Tale” stuff.
“I want to be able to get married to my boyfriend and have a baby but the conservatorship told me I can’t do that,” she said. “I feel ganged up on and bullied and alone.”

As for her tepid claims, till now, that she’s been fine with the status quo: “I’ve lied and told the whole world I’m OK and happy,” Britney said. “I’ve been in denial. I’ve been in shock. I am traumatized.”

“But now I’m telling you the truth, I’m not happy. I can’t sleep. I’m so angry it’s insane . . . I cry every day.”
She asked that the conservatorship be terminated, no more questions, no more bs.

“I truly believe this conservatorship is abusive,” she said.
Doesn’t get much clearer than that.
Conservatorships are typically granted only in extreme cases: A person is suffering from dementia or some other dire limitations.

Spears, a mother of two, has successfully performed in Vegas for years without incident. How hapless can she be?

It will be fascinating to see how this plays out now, post-#MeToo. Here we have a “troublesome female” — a child star sexualized as a young teenager, who shot to global superstardom, the media hounding her over whether she was still a virgin, a girl whose every relationship, parents included, was based on what she could do for them — claiming that her father has forcibly institutionalized her and forced her perform against her will, once as she suffered from a 104 degree fever.

“In California,” Britney said, “the only similar thing to this is called sex trafficking, making anyone work against their will, taking all their possessions away: credit card, phone, passport.”
Upon her institutionalization, Britney said, “I cried on the phone to my dad for an hour and he loved every minute of it. My dad and everyone else who has played a key role in my conservatorship should be in jail. They have way too much control.”

Her father has “enslaved” her, she said. “He made me feel like death . . . I don’t want to be in this stupid conservatorship anymore. It’s embarrassing and humiliating.”

Historically we’ve seen a lot of erratic, self-destructive behavior from male celebrities. Can you think of one who has been kept under conservatorship for years — or ever?

Yet here is a female superstar still under her father’s thumb — a father she is “afraid of,” as Spears told the court last year, one who is a recovering alcoholic and has allegedly been physically and verbally abusive.

In 2014, when Spears told the court she believed her father was drinking again and requested that he follow the rules — take the regular alcohol tests he volunteered for, Jamie refusing to do more than just one — the judge in the case was outraged. At Britney.
“Who is she to be demanding that of anybody?”
The subtext is unmistakable: Who is she to challenge her father, let alone the court? Who is she to demand personal autonomy?

Britney Spears may, as has been documented, have mental illness. She, like her father, may have had issues with substances.

But that is no argument against allowing a nearly 40-year-old woman to live her life as she chooses — whether that’s squandering all her money or retiring from public life or having a baby or, horrors, replacing the kitchen cabinets.
#FreeBritney.


https://nypost.com/2021/06/23/britney-spears-reveals-the-horror-film-that-is-her-life/

Honestly she deserves freedom. Its ridiculous that she can't have anything of her own. She had a mental breakdown yes, but that's because of the media.
 
I don't know, last time she was one her own she married a dancer and lost her mind. Her sister got knocked up, likely by a foot fetishist. Her dad may be an alcoholic, but his daughters have a history of making poor decisions without adult supervision.
Did you forget to mention that Jamie-Lynn was like 15 and the alleged father was a grown paedophile named Dan Schneider?
 
The speech was all over the place. There's an article here with a lawyer discussing it saying it didn't do her any favors. Having attended guardianship hearings I have to agree with him.

Link only; archive is moving at the speed of smell.


Britney Spears' public support amid conservatorship battle may not mean much in court: lawyers

The singer on Wednesday called the legal guardianship 'abusive' and asked the judge to terminate it

Britney Spears’ powerful plea to a judge to end the conservatorship that has controlled her life since 2008 brought sympathy and outrage from fans, famous supporters and even casual observers who say she deserves independence.

Yet lawyers who deal in such matters say the speech itself may not have helped her in the legal process, which will be long and arduous.

"When Britney spoke, I mean, the world listened. This was amazing," family law attorney Peter Walzer said. "Now, whether the judge will buy it, whether the judge will let her out of her conservatorship, my bet is no."

Spears' passionate, at times emotional address Wednesday to Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Brenda Penny was the first time in 13 years she has spoken in open court on the conservatorship, which she called "abusive" and "stupid." The conservatorship was put in place as Spears, hounded by paparazzi and media scrutiny while a new mother, underwent a very public mental health crisis in 2008.

Spears revisited the speech in an Instagram post Thursday, apologizing "for pretending like I’ve been ok the past two years.

"I did it because of my pride and I was embarrassed to share what happened to me," she said, later adding, "Believe it or not pretending that I’m ok has actually helped."

In court, Spears said she is forced to keep using an intrauterine device for birth control and take other medications, is prevented her from getting married or having another child, and is not allowed let her have her own money. She condemned her father and the others who control it.

The speech was compelling for the same reasons it may be problematic to the court. She spoke very quickly, often profanely, and could seem out of control as she rattled off injustices and the emotional turmoil they have brought her.

"It just seems to me that her presentation to her court didn’t do herself any favors," said David Glass, a family law attorney with a doctorate in psychology. "The words came out like bullets. She shifted rapidly between thoughts and ideas. She also admitted to being depressed and crying all the time. I’m not her psychologist, but these are things that potentially point to being in the middle of mental illness."

Penny did not tip her hand or offer much reaction to the dramatic presentation, other than to say Spears’ speech was "courageous." It's unclear how much the judge has heard before, either during Spears' previous addresses to the court in closed sessions or in the numerous sealed documents filed in the case.

"The court didn’t say ‘I don’t agree with you,’ or ‘I’m concerned for you’ or ‘I’m disappointed these issues were not brought before me previously,’" Glass said.

There is evidence that Penny considers Spears’ opinions in her decisions.

She recently appointed estate-management firm the Bessemer Trust as co-conservator of Spears’ finances, though kept her father James Spears as its co-conservator against her wishes. And Penny has been keeping court hearings like Wednesday’s increasingly public and leaving more documents unsealed since Spears pushed for greater transparency in the case last year.

Short of ending the conservatorship, Penny may alter it to make it more palatable to Spears, and could order an immediate investigation into some of the allegations.

"I’m alarmed if I’m the judge," said Sarah Wentz, an attorney who specializes in estates and conservatorships. "I’m going to find out ASAP if there are things we need reviewed or corrected, for the court to see if there are not human rights violations."

There is plenty of room for Penny to make changes that don’t end the conservatorship entirely.

"What they can do is try to put together a plan that meets her goals and wishes in every way possible, so she only has a few things that she needs to check in on," Wentz said. "It doesn’t have to be an all-in kind of thing."

Spears' court-appointed attorney, Samuel Ingham III, said that despite his client's pleas to Penny to end the conservatorship, she has yet to even ask him to file a petition to do so. He said before the presentation Wednesday that he made no attempt to "control, or filter, or edit" his client’s words.

That most likely meant that while he felt compelled to pass along Spears’ request to speak, it doesn’t necessarily mean he agreed with her approach.

"This is why lawyers don’t like their clients speaking a lot," family law attorney Chris Melcher said. "We know what to say and how to say it. Sometimes what the client says can really come back and bite them and end up proving the other side’s case."

Melcher said a different approach could have proven more effective.

"I think she would be best served by a calm demeanor, acknowledgement of her past problems, and acceptance of the court's previous decisions," he said.

That was the approach taken by Ingham in recent filings for Spears that attempted to get her father removed and assert more control. Those documents acknowledged that the conservatorship had done a lot of good in its early days while forcefully arguing for change and saying she reserved the right to end it eventually.

One thing that will certainly not happen is the conservatorship being terminated, as Spears requested, without any further evaluation of her.

A petition to terminate the conservatorship, which Ingham said he may file soon, would be only the beginning of a process that places the burden on Spears to show her competence.

"It’s up to Britney or another interested person to convince the court that it needs to end," Melcher said. "This is not a voluntary process where she can just walk out the door."
When the stories first hit after the hearing I thought it sounded like an open and shut case against her conservatorship, then I read the transcripts and then listened to the audio. You can listen to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVrhKBhMrEI

She sounds like she's mentally about 14 years old. Also, a big deal was made out of her not knowing she could petition to end her conservatorship. How could a grown woman not bother to read anything on her own to find out more about the conservatorship she was under? This awful thing she says she desperately wants out of and which has controlled her life for 13 years, she never bothered to google the basics laws about conservatorship and how it can be ended?

I'd also bet decent money that her recent change in attitude has a lot to do with a new boyfriend "who's car she wants to take a fucking ride in." She was also very concerned about ever "being evaluated again" I think she forcefully said "she doesn't want to be evaluated" by psychiatrists as a requirement to have the conservatorship end at least eight times during her spiel. She doesn't seem very confident in her own ability to appear stable during an evaluation.

Brittney definitely has some significant mental health issues but on top of that she was also raised to be dependent and let her parents and "other people" take care of almost all the important decisions in her life. When she finally got out on her own in her early 20's it was a disaster because she was totally unprepared to be an adult, much less pop star, mother, wife and career manager. If her mental illness had been somewhat less severe and obvious she probably would have ended up like Lindsay Lohan or Terra Reid - a trainwreck but in charge of her own trainwreck.

I think for quite a few years she was okay with everyone taking care of all the mundane "adult" things for her and just letting live in a gilded cage. It sounds like they created an entire safe bubble world for Brit where she was catered to to an extreme degree to keep her stable, performing and functioning. The issue is this artificial bubble is not a long term solution unless she is making eight figures a year to keep therapists, maids, chefs, stylists, lawyers, drivers, doctors, assistants, luxury homes and assorted staff to make life manageable for her.

After she stabilized a decade ago there should have been efforts to help Brit start coping in her day to day life and teaching her how to manage things without requiring a large staff of professionals to make her entire life some alternate reality where nothing upsets her and she doesn't have to make any decisions for herself. It seems like dad thought as long as he can keep her earning big money he could keep her in this luxury bubble for her 'own protection" and to make fat money for a lot of people.
As an American, I recognize Britney's dad has too much of a say in her life, and she should be free.
As someone with common sense, I recognize that Britney without a controlling father would have destroyed her body, fortune and career by now if she had any say in her own life.

It's a terrible situation, but they're all terrible people. It looks bad from the outside but this is Britney's best timeline out of all possible outcomes in her life. She and her family are well cared for and can afford the therapy when she finally stops performing and the leash comes off, and she's too old to run down the street anymore.
This is the long and short of it. She will make terrible decisions and do lots of stupid shit once Dad no longer has control, but that's her constitutional right.

Her career will go off a cliff once there's no carrot and stick keeping her in line and under control. She's already towards the tail end of a viable career as a "pop star" anyway and won't be able to earn the type of money or get high paid engagements in the next decade. I hope they saved up some money and put it in a trust for her. If she gets her hands on her entire estate within the next year or so she will be broke by 2025.

Dad should have invested more in trying to teach her to be a functional adult and manage her bipolar disorder instead of building a guilded cage for her so she could continue being a high paid pop star with no ability to handle day to day life without a staff of 20.
 
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Why is Britney so fucking damaged?
Her little sister might have slept around, but she looks and sounds so much more wholesome by comparison.
I think she truly has severe bipolar disorder and that's made life a lot more difficult for her. God only knows what went on with her between the ages of 19-26 when she was on her own in LA, was very famous, partying and doing lots of drugs.

Without the bipolar she'd probably be a lot more like her sister or maybe like Lindsay Lohan, but she would have managed to avoid her father getting legal control over her entire life. Being born a man would have also helped her avoid the conservatorship. I bet Connor Murphy or Bam Magera's parents would have no luck getting a conservatorship over their mentally ill adult sons, but if they were mentally ill adult daughters they'd probably be able to arrange it.
 
It more for establishing patterns of behavior. Her dad is a piece of shit, sure, lots of celebs parents are. It was also a call back to the thought that the baby daddy is that foot fetish guy from Nickelodeon.

Just because her dad's using her doesn't mean Britney doesn't need adult supervision. A lot of these former child stars are horrifically broken people.

It’s not normal to use sibling behaviour to “establish a pattern of behaviour” for someone. Do you want to be judged by something dumb your sibling did?

She is all over the place in her statement but so would most people be. She’s never claimed to be academically inclined. Her request for no more psychiatric evaluations is fair enough, but if she had a good lawyer they would have got her to get one from an actual independent psych who had no financial interest in keeping her being forced to see them twice a week.

The fact her father got to choose her lawyer is very telling.
 
It's a weird case. Her father is clearly taking advantage of her, but she's also dumb as a box of rocks and crazy to boot so she probably does need some sort of financial advisor who will be brutally honest with her.

I'm probably biased though since the only people I see constantly bringing this up are legit crazy women who also need this kind of hand holding in life.

At the end of hte day, I agree with the idea of let her be free because fuck celebrities they should be free to ruin their lives like the rest of us.
 
I'm not really seeing an issue here. The level of control that others have over Britney isn't unusual for the pop music industry. Most of the stars have "assistants" who are ready to start force feeding them lithium if they talk back.
 
To be fair BS didn’t say the IUD was forced into her, just that they won’t let her take it out, which is horrifying enough. Those things are very bad for the body.
Eh, the copper ones can be and if your body doesn't jive with the hormonal ones you can have a bad time, but otherwise they're pretty safe. Still she should absolutely be allowed to remove hers if she wants, it's her body and she's an adult. Its fucked up she's not even allowed to control her own body.

What ever ended up happening with her sister anyway? Other than nothing good I assume.
 
The judge getting angry at Britney for suggesting her father needs alcohol tests is concerning, to say the least. I honestly believe she needs help for the rest of her life, but not total control like this. Her father sounds like a greedy, money hungry prick rather than a concerned father.

People are born with a predisposition to developing bipolar however major trauma (rape, death, assaults, drug use etc) are often what initiates the first manic episode. Like her sister, I wouldn't be surprised is she was molested by pedo Disney/music industry bosses. Where was the same energy when Jayme-Lynn was knocked up at 15 by a pedo? She doesn't make her dad enough money so he doesn't care.
 
New developments. Britney gets to choose her own lawyer. I look for the conservatorship to end or be modified very soon.


 
New developments. Britney gets to choose her own lawyer. I look for the conservatorship to end or be modified very soon.


She also wants to sue her father for Conservatee abuse. Free Britney. If they can do it to her they can do it to anyone. Humans are free!
 
Rosengart seems like an incredibly powerful and talented lawyer. Hopefully he can help her, her last lawyer was useless.
 
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