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Britney Spears reveals the horror film that is her life



It was heartbreaking to hear Britney Spears plead her case before a Los Angeles judge Wednesday, saying simply, “I just want my life back.”
Spears, who will be 40 this December, has been under her father’s conservatorship since 2008. Jamie Spears has controlled not only his daughter’s $60 million fortune but every aspect of her career and life — from terms of her Las Vegas residency to whether she could replace her kitchen cabinets.

No, Jamie told her. Too much money, even though she pays him $16,000 a month, is forced to pay for his attorneys — who have argued for years against her stated wishes, namely to be free — plus the cuts he gets from Britney’s tours and Vegas show.

“She is ‘sick of being taken advantage of,’ ” a court investigator reported in 2016, “and she said she is the one working but everyone around her is on her payroll.”
Spears was pulling in millions from her residency, but was allowed only $2,000 a week.

We’ve never heard Spears talk like this before. She’s never shared what she thinks or feels about the conservatorship — even as the #FreeBritney movement galvanized during the pandemic, as fans scoured her Instagram account for hidden messages or clues, as the documentary “Framing Britney Spears” made a case against the pop music machine, the media, and the public at large for victimizing Britney.

It’s sad, bracing stuff. Britney Spears has long been something of an American tragedy. She doesn’t want that anymore. She wants her independence and her father — who she describes as her tormentor — out of her life.“[My father] loved the control he had over me, one hundred thousand percent,” Britney told the judge.

This control, Britney said, extends to her sex life and whether she can have another child. “I have an IUD in my body right now they won’t let me take out,” she said.

This is “Handmaid’s Tale” stuff.
“I want to be able to get married to my boyfriend and have a baby but the conservatorship told me I can’t do that,” she said. “I feel ganged up on and bullied and alone.”

As for her tepid claims, till now, that she’s been fine with the status quo: “I’ve lied and told the whole world I’m OK and happy,” Britney said. “I’ve been in denial. I’ve been in shock. I am traumatized.”

“But now I’m telling you the truth, I’m not happy. I can’t sleep. I’m so angry it’s insane . . . I cry every day.”
She asked that the conservatorship be terminated, no more questions, no more bs.

“I truly believe this conservatorship is abusive,” she said.
Doesn’t get much clearer than that.
Conservatorships are typically granted only in extreme cases: A person is suffering from dementia or some other dire limitations.

Spears, a mother of two, has successfully performed in Vegas for years without incident. How hapless can she be?

It will be fascinating to see how this plays out now, post-#MeToo. Here we have a “troublesome female” — a child star sexualized as a young teenager, who shot to global superstardom, the media hounding her over whether she was still a virgin, a girl whose every relationship, parents included, was based on what she could do for them — claiming that her father has forcibly institutionalized her and forced her perform against her will, once as she suffered from a 104 degree fever.

“In California,” Britney said, “the only similar thing to this is called sex trafficking, making anyone work against their will, taking all their possessions away: credit card, phone, passport.”
Upon her institutionalization, Britney said, “I cried on the phone to my dad for an hour and he loved every minute of it. My dad and everyone else who has played a key role in my conservatorship should be in jail. They have way too much control.”

Her father has “enslaved” her, she said. “He made me feel like death . . . I don’t want to be in this stupid conservatorship anymore. It’s embarrassing and humiliating.”

Historically we’ve seen a lot of erratic, self-destructive behavior from male celebrities. Can you think of one who has been kept under conservatorship for years — or ever?

Yet here is a female superstar still under her father’s thumb — a father she is “afraid of,” as Spears told the court last year, one who is a recovering alcoholic and has allegedly been physically and verbally abusive.

In 2014, when Spears told the court she believed her father was drinking again and requested that he follow the rules — take the regular alcohol tests he volunteered for, Jamie refusing to do more than just one — the judge in the case was outraged. At Britney.
“Who is she to be demanding that of anybody?”
The subtext is unmistakable: Who is she to challenge her father, let alone the court? Who is she to demand personal autonomy?

Britney Spears may, as has been documented, have mental illness. She, like her father, may have had issues with substances.

But that is no argument against allowing a nearly 40-year-old woman to live her life as she chooses — whether that’s squandering all her money or retiring from public life or having a baby or, horrors, replacing the kitchen cabinets.
#FreeBritney.


https://nypost.com/2021/06/23/britney-spears-reveals-the-horror-film-that-is-her-life/

Honestly she deserves freedom. Its ridiculous that she can't have anything of her own. She had a mental breakdown yes, but that's because of the media.
 
I do agree, her family has gone too far, but look at what happened with her mania shortly before her publicized breakdown. She got pregnant by a moocher and started flipping out.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9KWDxzzNyWQI've seen Britney's behavior several times, and it's not a good sign. Her father and family need to step back as conservators and Britney needs to appoint someone who is healthy until she can make good decisions....like taking medications. People are complaining she's on lithium, but it's kind of the first line medication that is prescribed in response to euphoric mania...it's also way better than being on antipsychotics. I'm not saying her parents are right in any sense of the word, but there's so much grey area involved with Britney and her condition.
No they don't need to step back; she just doesn't need a Conservator, period.

Who cares about her behavior? She isn't out there stabbing people. "She's getting pregnant and blowing her money irresponsibly and making a jackass of herself in public!"

She's not doing anything worse than Shanequa in the trailer park. The only difference is that if she's allowed to she might rob America of seeing her talent. So if that's the criteria, then the US Government should take over the lives of every artist and scientist I guess, so this valuable American resource is protected.
 
I agree she should be allowed to piss away her fortune if she wants to. This is America. Crazy celebs do shit like that all the time.
Just like Pristine Christine.....I wanna see Britney get her mansion repossessed and live in a hoard.
 
Although honestly, there is still some plausibility that at least some parts of the #FREEBRITNEY lore could be real, such as how she apparently got a conservatorship because of ''early onset dementia'' and how she wore yellow on an IG post after someone commented on another post that she should wear yellow if she needed help. Either way, I do not really have an actual opinion. BTW, here's a botched thread about this all: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-freebritney-movement.73190/

Oh, this is a topic I change my mind about every five months or so. When #FREEBRITNEY became a thing 2 years ago, my initial instinct was to agree with all the people on Twitter, then I went to believing that it wasn't a conspiracy theory per se, but that some of the crazier theories were clearly not true, to believing she was only in a conservatorship because she was mentally ill, to going back to the second opinion.
Wow, in hindsight, I really shouldn't have doubted myself. You see, I was like, ''Nah, this is too evil to be true, this is just a conspiracy theory.''
 
This shit makes me feel ill. They have control of her right down to her own reproductive rights and who represents her in court. This is FUCKED UP.
 
Honestly Britney, you are 40 and have 2 kids already. You do not need to reproduce.

All the other stuff, yeah she has a point.
 
He hasn't been the money manager since 2019. If he's selling their house barely 2 years after, then the timing sure does seem like he was racking up expenses he couldn't pay for once he was cut off from the teat.
I feel like I've been reading he's a co-conservator still getting paid $16k a month, an absurd amount, but he's not going to end up on the streets any time soon. The thing is I haven't really seen evidence he was milking Britney for cash the way people imagine and I'm not sure anyone has evidence of him doing so. Closest I could find was the manager commission and the funny math used to suggest her net worth should be hundreds of millions.

My general guess at this point is the father is being an idiot listening too much to guys like the now dead therapist Dr Benson (who died of a brain aneurism) and going along with maintaining whatever status quo with a middle aged daughter. It sounds more than a bit odd that a therapist would be fielding calls from Britney's manager or whatever and deciding to put her on lithium based on some complaints from them that Britney wouldn't do a dance move.

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I feel like I've been reading he's a co-conservator still getting paid $16k a month, an absurd amount, but he's not going to end up on the streets any time soon. The thing is I haven't really seen evidence he was milking Britney for cash the way people imagine and I'm not sure anyone has evidence of him doing so.
If her monthly allowance is half of his when shes doing all the work, it sure does sound like he's milking her.
 
The best way to help her is stop consuming what she produces. Don't go to her concerts, buy her music, perfumes, etc. Once she's not profitable, there is no point on making her work.


It's her money. She works for it, it's not up to her father to decide. Sure she can get someone who handles her money if she can't do it alone, but let this person being someone she chooses.
but it is up to her dad to decide. because she went craaaaaaaazy over the toxic environment she made up in her head.
 
I don't know, last time she was one her own she married a dancer and lost her mind. Her sister got knocked up, likely by a foot fetishist. Her dad may be an alcoholic, but his daughters have a history of making poor decisions without adult supervision.

She’s not responsible for any actions of her sister. Also, if getting pregnant to a loser was grounds for legal intervention, how many other USA women would need to be under a conservatorship?
 
Seriously, when are we getting the horrifying rating back for A&H? It's seriously needed. Since when did Null care about the feelings of some butthurt trumptards/trump haters (I assume, I don't really follow forum drama). There's only so much cathartis the feels rating provides.
 
She’s not responsible for any actions of her sister. Also, if getting pregnant to a loser was grounds for legal intervention, how many other USA women would need to be under a conservatorship?

I didn't even know it was still legal to force sterilization/birth control.

Britney has been controlled her entire life. No wonder she wigged out like that. Eventually you are just going to break. I think it was inevitable.

I was thinking of Jeanette McCurdy, another family cash cow who wisely stepped away from the spotlight. I think she knew if she went back for the iCarly sequel she'd crack up even if Dan the Footman isn't involved.

Maybe we should just replace child stars with CGI. Save some sanity.
 
I didn't even know it was still legal to force sterilization/birth control.

Britney has been controlled her entire life. No wonder she wigged out like that. Eventually you are just going to break. I think it was inevitable.

I was thinking of Jeanette McCurdy, another family cash cow who wisely stepped away from the spotlight. I think she knew if she went back for the iCarly sequel she'd crack up even if Dan the Footman isn't involved.

Maybe we should just replace child stars with CGI. Save some sanity.

To be fair BS didn’t say the IUD was forced into her, just that they won’t let her take it out, which is horrifying enough. Those things are very bad for the body.
 
This is her full statement to the judge:


This is fucking insane. She refused to do a certain dance move during rehearsals so they doped her up on lithium and wouldn't let her out of the house for a month. Heads should fucking roll for this.
I’d take that with a huge grain of salt. She claimed the entire production shut down because she refused to to one dance move. Pretty sure the greedy fucks would be a-ok ditching one dance move if it kept her shaking her money maker. From the dancers all having closed meetings and other tidbits it sounds like Brit was suffering a pretty serious meltdown - but in her mind focused on “one dance move” being the cause. Sounds more like the stress of the entire situation was causing a mental breakdown.
I do agree, her family has gone too far, but look at what happened with her mania shortly before her publicized breakdown. She got pregnant by a moocher and started flipping out.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9KWDxzzNyWQI've seen Britney's behavior several times, and it's not a good sign. Her father and family need to step back as conservators and Britney needs to appoint someone who is healthy until she can make good decisions....like taking medications. People are complaining she's on lithium, but it's kind of the first line medication that is prescribed in response to euphoric mania...it's also way better than being on antipsychotics. I'm not saying her parents are right in any sense of the word, but there's so much grey area involved with Britney and her condition.
If you actually read the full transcript, not just the little excerpts or “synopsis” by the media it’s obvious she’s not in full control of her mental faculties. She’s confused, her thinking is disjointed, she’s talks to the judge at times like they can read her mind and can follow huge leaps of subjects and logic, she can’t remember important details (like the names of treatment facilities she was in for months or her doctors), etc…

For instance she felt it was relevant to bring up her anger that she wasn’t allowed to go get her nails done during covid, but noticed her mom and maids had new acrylics on their hands during covid so assumed it was a conspiracy to keep her from getting weekly manicures. I mean whatever else this is a very strange issue to be focused on and detail during your 15 minutes to plead for your freedom. Yet she only briefly mentioned the IUD issue at the very end as an aside, when that’s 100x more relevant to her case.

I do think the IUD issue was more about her family fearing shiftless dirtbags trying to get her pregnant and gain control over her via marriage/custody. When she married Kevin Federline the two kids came in rapid succession. I’m pretty sure Britt would have six or seven kids at this point if there wasn’t mandated birth control. But if she wants to have a bunch of kids - that’s her right. I don’t think the parents feared more grand babies, as much as they feared the relationship drama and power struggles her choice of baby daddy’s would bring to the table. (The other issues of probably having to cease most of her psychiatric meds during pregnancy and it meaning she can’t perform for long stretches are also factors)

I’m these situations dirtbag men look for big paydays to fuck off and sign over full custody. If they don’t get the money they want they engage in shitty custody wars for years and use the kids as leverage. (It’s the bizzaro world version of the more typical “women who try to get knocked up by rich men and get six figures for raising the kid till they are 18” …in Britt’s case the guys get paid big money to just get lost and shut up.)
I agree she should be allowed to piss away her fortune if she wants to. This is America. Crazy celebs do shit like that all the time.
This is the real crux of the matter. Without the guardianship Britt will probably do tons of stupid shit and burn through her money - but that is her right as an American.

The only reason all this BS happened to her was her earning potential and she was female. All the old rich people in CA court system were horrified at the thought of her throwing away eight figure annual earning potential to have a bunch of boyfriends, kids and eat junk food. It’s the stuff that makes agents and managers wake up screaming in cold sweat in the middle of the night.

I also think this has a lot to do with her being a woman. Amanda Byrnes is another example of a (more severely) mentally ill woman who is in a conservatorship. There are quite a few 20th century famous females Frances Farmer, Zelda Fitzgerald, helmi juvonen, etc…that this type of stuff happens too. I can’t recall one male celebrity having it happen to them, at most they get thrown into a rehab for awhile and then a “sober living coach”. Just look at Bam Magera ffs.

The fucked to part is Brittneys dad kept her career going as much as possible instead of letting her lead a life out of the spotlight. If you really think your daughter is so mentally ill you need to make all decisions for her why would you subject her to the publicity and pressure of being a pop star?
 
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She’s not responsible for any actions of her sister. Also, if getting pregnant to a loser was grounds for legal intervention, how many other USA women would need to be under a conservatorship?
It more for establishing patterns of behavior. Her dad is a piece of shit, sure, lots of celebs parents are. It was also a call back to the thought that the baby daddy is that foot fetish guy from Nickelodeon.

Just because her dad's using her doesn't mean Britney doesn't need adult supervision. A lot of these former child stars are horrifically broken people.
 
I’d take that with a huge grain of salt. She claimed the entire production shut down because she refused to to one dance move. Pretty sure the greedy fucks would be a-ok ditching one dance move if it kept her shaking her money maker. From the dancers all having closed meetings and other tidbits it sounds like Brit was suffering a pretty serious meltdown - but in her mind focused on “one dance move” being the cause. Sounds more like the stress of the entire situation was causing a mental breakdown.

If you actually read the full transcript, not just the little excerpts or “synopsis” by the media it’s obvious she’s not in full control of her mental faculties. She’s confused, her thinking is disjointed, she’s talks to the judge at times like they can read her mind and can follow huge leaps of subjects and logic, she can’t remember important details (like the names of treatment facilities she was in for months or her doctors), etc…

For instance she felt it was relevant to bring up her anger that she wasn’t allowed to go get her nails done during covid, but noticed her mom and maids had new acrylics on their hands during covid so assumed it was a conspiracy to keep her from getting weekly manicures. I mean whatever else this is a very strange issue to be focused on and detail during your 15 minutes to plead for your freedom. Yet she only briefly mentioned the IUD issue at the very end as an aside, when that’s 100x more relevant to her case.

I do think the IUD issue was more about her family fearing shiftless dirtbags trying to get her pregnant and gain control over her via marriage/custody. When she married Kevin Federline the two kids came in rapid succession. I’m pretty sure Britt would have six or seven kids at this point if there wasn’t mandated birth control. But if she wants to have a bunch of kids - that’s her right. I don’t think the parents feared more grand babies, as much as they feared the relationship drama and power struggles her choice of baby daddy’s would bring to the table. (The other issues of probably having to cease most of her psychiatric meds during pregnancy and it meaning she can’t perform for long stretches are also factors)

I’m these situations dirtbag men look for big paydays to fuck off and sign over full custody. If they don’t get the money they want they engage in shitty custody wars for years and use the kids as leverage. (It’s the bizzaro world version of the more typical “women who try to get knocked up by rich men and get six figures for raising the kid till they are 18” …in Britt’s case the guys get paid big money to just get lost and shut up.)

This is the real crux of the matter. Without the guardianship Britt will probably do tons of stupid shit and burn through her money - but that is her right as an American.

The only reason all this BS happened to her was her earning potential and she was female. All the old rich people in CA court system were horrified at the thought of her throwing away eight figure annual earning potential to have a bunch of boyfriends, kids and eat junk food. It’s the stuff that makes agents and managers wake up screaming in cold sweat in the middle of the night.

I also think this has a lot to do with her being a woman. Amanda Byrnes is another example of a (more severely) mentally ill woman who is in a conservatorship. There are quite a few 20th century famous females Frances Farmer, Zelda Fitzgerald, helmi juvonen, etc…that this type of stuff happens too. I can’t recall one male celebrity having it happen to them, at most they get thrown into a rehab for awhile and then a “sober living coach”. Just look at Bam Magera ffs.

The fucked to part is Brittneys dad kept her career going as much as possible instead of letting her lead a life out of the spotlight. If you really think your daughter is so mentally ill you need to make all decisions for her why would you subject her to the publicity and pressure of being a pop star?
The speech was all over the place. There's an article here with a lawyer discussing it saying it didn't do her any favors. Having attended guardianship hearings I have to agree with him.

Link only; archive is moving at the speed of smell.


Britney Spears' public support amid conservatorship battle may not mean much in court: lawyers

The singer on Wednesday called the legal guardianship 'abusive' and asked the judge to terminate it

Britney Spears’ powerful plea to a judge to end the conservatorship that has controlled her life since 2008 brought sympathy and outrage from fans, famous supporters and even casual observers who say she deserves independence.

Yet lawyers who deal in such matters say the speech itself may not have helped her in the legal process, which will be long and arduous.

"When Britney spoke, I mean, the world listened. This was amazing," family law attorney Peter Walzer said. "Now, whether the judge will buy it, whether the judge will let her out of her conservatorship, my bet is no."

Spears' passionate, at times emotional address Wednesday to Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Brenda Penny was the first time in 13 years she has spoken in open court on the conservatorship, which she called "abusive" and "stupid." The conservatorship was put in place as Spears, hounded by paparazzi and media scrutiny while a new mother, underwent a very public mental health crisis in 2008.

Spears revisited the speech in an Instagram post Thursday, apologizing "for pretending like I’ve been ok the past two years.

"I did it because of my pride and I was embarrassed to share what happened to me," she said, later adding, "Believe it or not pretending that I’m ok has actually helped."

In court, Spears said she is forced to keep using an intrauterine device for birth control and take other medications, is prevented her from getting married or having another child, and is not allowed let her have her own money. She condemned her father and the others who control it.

The speech was compelling for the same reasons it may be problematic to the court. She spoke very quickly, often profanely, and could seem out of control as she rattled off injustices and the emotional turmoil they have brought her.

"It just seems to me that her presentation to her court didn’t do herself any favors," said David Glass, a family law attorney with a doctorate in psychology. "The words came out like bullets. She shifted rapidly between thoughts and ideas. She also admitted to being depressed and crying all the time. I’m not her psychologist, but these are things that potentially point to being in the middle of mental illness."

Penny did not tip her hand or offer much reaction to the dramatic presentation, other than to say Spears’ speech was "courageous." It's unclear how much the judge has heard before, either during Spears' previous addresses to the court in closed sessions or in the numerous sealed documents filed in the case.

"The court didn’t say ‘I don’t agree with you,’ or ‘I’m concerned for you’ or ‘I’m disappointed these issues were not brought before me previously,’" Glass said.

There is evidence that Penny considers Spears’ opinions in her decisions.

She recently appointed estate-management firm the Bessemer Trust as co-conservator of Spears’ finances, though kept her father James Spears as its co-conservator against her wishes. And Penny has been keeping court hearings like Wednesday’s increasingly public and leaving more documents unsealed since Spears pushed for greater transparency in the case last year.

Short of ending the conservatorship, Penny may alter it to make it more palatable to Spears, and could order an immediate investigation into some of the allegations.

"I’m alarmed if I’m the judge," said Sarah Wentz, an attorney who specializes in estates and conservatorships. "I’m going to find out ASAP if there are things we need reviewed or corrected, for the court to see if there are not human rights violations."

There is plenty of room for Penny to make changes that don’t end the conservatorship entirely.

"What they can do is try to put together a plan that meets her goals and wishes in every way possible, so she only has a few things that she needs to check in on," Wentz said. "It doesn’t have to be an all-in kind of thing."

Spears' court-appointed attorney, Samuel Ingham III, said that despite his client's pleas to Penny to end the conservatorship, she has yet to even ask him to file a petition to do so. He said before the presentation Wednesday that he made no attempt to "control, or filter, or edit" his client’s words.

That most likely meant that while he felt compelled to pass along Spears’ request to speak, it doesn’t necessarily mean he agreed with her approach.

"This is why lawyers don’t like their clients speaking a lot," family law attorney Chris Melcher said. "We know what to say and how to say it. Sometimes what the client says can really come back and bite them and end up proving the other side’s case."

Melcher said a different approach could have proven more effective.

"I think she would be best served by a calm demeanor, acknowledgement of her past problems, and acceptance of the court's previous decisions," he said.

That was the approach taken by Ingham in recent filings for Spears that attempted to get her father removed and assert more control. Those documents acknowledged that the conservatorship had done a lot of good in its early days while forcefully arguing for change and saying she reserved the right to end it eventually.

One thing that will certainly not happen is the conservatorship being terminated, as Spears requested, without any further evaluation of her.

A petition to terminate the conservatorship, which Ingham said he may file soon, would be only the beginning of a process that places the burden on Spears to show her competence.

"It’s up to Britney or another interested person to convince the court that it needs to end," Melcher said. "This is not a voluntary process where she can just walk out the door."
 
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I’d take that with a huge grain of salt. She claimed the entire production shut down because she refused to to one dance move. Pretty sure the greedy fucks would be a-ok ditching one dance move if it kept her shaking her money maker. From the dancers all having closed meetings and other tidbits it sounds like Brit was suffering a pretty serious meltdown - but in her mind focused on “one dance move” being the cause. Sounds more like the stress of the entire situation was causing a mental breakdown.
I feel like a schizo going on about this at this point, but the nails story was weird to me. She's thinking the maids are against her much like her dad because they seemed to have their nails done while she was getting told that in California the nail salons were closed (I'm assuming at her home in California), when they had the Coronavirus restrictions last year which I think shut down all this stuff given the fuss over Pelosi getting a haircut. Plus she used as evidence her mom going to a nail salon in a different state to say they were lying.

That she's thinking the backup dancers and maids are conspiring against her much like her dad makes her seem mentally ill.

I’m honestly new with this. And I’m doing research on all these things. I do know common sense and the method that things can end – for people, it has ended without them being evaluated. So I just want you to take that in consideration.

It also took a year, during COVID, to get me any self-care methods. She said there were no services available. She’s lying, ma’am. My mom went to the spot twice in Louisiana during COVID. For a year, I didn’t have my nails done — no hairstyling and no massages, no acupuncture. Nothing for a year. I saw the maids in my home each week with their nails done different each time. She made me feel like my dad does. Very similar, her behavior and my dad, but just a different dynamic.
 
As an American, I recognize Britney's dad has too much of a say in her life, and she should be free.
As someone with common sense, I recognize that Britney without a controlling father would have destroyed her body, fortune and career by now if she had any say in her own life.

It's a terrible situation, but they're all terrible people. It looks bad from the outside but this is Britney's best timeline out of all possible outcomes in her life. She and her family are well cared for and can afford the therapy when she finally stops performing and the leash comes off, and she's too old to run down the street anymore.
 
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