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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Morethanabitfoolish said:
By and large I agree with you. 100% on the BBC because their charter requires them to be neutral. They're a publicly funded organisation and they've been dangerously close to violating the terms of that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Problem is if a government moves on them for it then the other parties will scream censorship so loud they'll hear it in Australia.
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They've already violated their Terms by making A LOT of one-sided political statements over the years, yet they are never, ever called out on it. Woke/SJW whatever you want to label it as, is a political statement, mostly from foreign origins (BLM), yet the BBC run interference for them and remove any comments on their comment section (publicly funded, yet stopping the public from speaking?) that question these narratives.
Morethanabitfoolish said:
You ban politicians from social media they'll hire a PR team to handle an account for them instead at which point they can blame their shitty takes on someone else.
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Publicly funded media; the BBC, should be the only source of interviews, talking points and discussions between politicians and people (Tv and media wise) obviously still do the face to face thing

Morethanabitfoolish said:
I agree that they should not be pandering to that crowd but unfortunately social media is a dominant force in the world at the moment. The issue is a lot of it is an echo chamber so it's useless for reading the mood of the silent majority. Conversely it is great for drawing out the shitty idiots into posting their takes to let their political opponents mock them for.
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No it is not. it's only a dominant force in the cyber world. The vast, vast majority of people couldn't give two fucks about what goes on on the internet. Though that number is shrinking dangerously quick with each passing year. COVID and Lockdowns have unfortunately pushed more people in to cyberspace, something that the UK govt should be doing everything in their power to reverse.

If Labour or a new party said "we will only talk to the BBC and people IRL, no more internet" they would receive a huge swell of support and would be a great way to kick off a campaign.

But let's drop this discussion because i don't want to shit up the thread. Good discussion though.
 
Schlong song said:
But let's drop this discussion because i don't want to shit up the thread. Good discussion though.
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No worries.

Back to standard stuff hey look, Blair and Corbyn weighing in Labour's troubles;

www.theguardian.com

Blair and Corbyn weigh in on Keir Starmer’s election troubles

Former PM thinks Labour leader is ‘struggling to break through’, while Corbyn says woes are not his fault
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Marvelous quote from Corbyn.
Speaking to ITV News, the Islington North MP said: “I think it’s a bit rich to start blaming me for stuff that’s been done over the past year that I’ve had absolutely no part of whatsoever. I do think that dumping on somebody because they’re not there any more is a bit weak. Do I take responsibility for it? No.”

Corbyn also said the policies he promoted in the 2019 manifesto were “popular” and that if Starmer ditched them, “we’ll be in an even worse position”.
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"It's not my fault! Do what I did again, everyone loved that!"
 
Clem Fandango said:
Well, Corbyn is the dimwit that said he still "won the argument" while leading his party to its worst defeat since 1935. This is exactly what you'd expect him to say.
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I'd forgotten about that deliberately. Goddamn it it was so fucking fucking stupid. (edit - the two fuckings was a typo. I'm leaving it in because in hindsight I stand by it)
Congratulations Corbyn you won. Unfortunately the prize was a fractured Labour party split between people going "hey guys, remember how we got started" and people who listen to you screaming "but we won the argument. That's like winning the election""
 
Morethanabitfoolish said:
I'd forgotten about that deliberately. Goddamn it it was so fucking fucking stupid. (edit - the two fuckings was a typo. I'm leaving it in because in hindsight I stand by it)
Congratulations Corbyn you won. Unfortunately the prize was a fractured Labour party split between people going "hey guys, remember how we got started" and people who listen to you screaming "but we won the argument. That's like winning the election""
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When asked the question 'what is the best way to wage war?' Sun Tzu replied 'To not fight at all'

Or... 'the best way to beat the left is to let them speak'
 
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Christ. The reason the problems are still happening in the Labour Party is because of everything Corbyin brought in. The fact there are still problems after a year are a testament to how badly Corbyn screwed up. It would be one thing if Corbyn co trolled the party voter base or was liked by the public but he doesn't and he isn't.
 
Just Another Apocalypse said:
When asked the question 'what is the best way to save war?' Sun Tzu replied 'To not fight at all'

Or... 'the best way to beat the left is to let them speak'
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"What is the most hysterical way?"
"Watching them devouring each other until the most hungry of all is left atop the mound of corpses screaming "I won the argument!""
"You've seen that often?"
"No, but one day I hope to."

6MillionCoofs said:
Christ. The reason the problems are still happening in the Labour Party is because of everything Corbyin brought in. The fact there are still problems after a year are a testament to how badly Corbyn screwed up. It would be one thing if Corbyn co trolled the party voter base or was liked by the public but he doesn't and he isn't.
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I posted it over in the election thread which is where this conversation might belong. Corbyn was brought in in the wake of a change to Labour membership that reduced the cost of entry and saw a massive influx of new members. The vast majority of whom voted for him as the next leader.

www.dailymail.co.uk

How the seeds of Keir Starmer's meltdown began

The seeds of Sir Keir Starmer's humiliation on Thursday were sown nine years ago on a cold February evening in a House of Commons bar, when Labour MP Eric Joyce punched two Tories.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

They went from 190,000 to 515000 of and of those 324000 new members around 84% voted for him. Corbyn was not picked by Labour, he was picking by the Labour membership new to that party in the wake of that change, hence why it looks like they abandoned their prior base when he came in.

If the decision to redo membership was not made internally by Labour I genuinely would think it had been a cunning Tory trick to kill them. Less than a million to pick the next Labour leader, why not?
 
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6MillionCoofs said:
Christ. The reason the problems are still happening in the Labour Party is because of everything Corbyin brought in. The fact there are still problems after a year are a testament to how badly Corbyn screwed up. It would be one thing if Corbyn co trolled the party voter base or was liked by the public but he doesn't and he isn't.
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No, the Labour party have always been awful.

the real reason Corbyn bombed in the last election was due to payback.

the previous election had them campaign on the lie they would pay off student debt, two Labour MP s made videos stating this. It was never called out during the campaign. Then after they still lost, the line was 'it wasn't in the manifesto '.

This massively pissed off loads of unemployed postgrads with useless Richards in gender studies, who then didn't bother voting (or if they did voted Green).
 
Clem Fandango said:
I don't watch BBC news, but the BBC website is total dreck. Every single article has some variation of "but critics say [thing is bad]", or "experts believe [thing] will lead to [outcome]".

Who are these nameless critics and experts, and when the fuck did it become acceptable just to throw that into your article??
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Even on current Wikipedia, as bad as it is, that kind of weaseling will get your edit reverted or at least a [citation needed] thrown in. Like "some say" gets a [who?]
 
Morethanabitfoolish said:
If the decision to redo membership was not made internally by Labour I genuinely would think it had been a cunning Tory trick to kill them. Less than a million to pick the next Labour leader, why not?
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Thanks to their change to membership, I think more than a few not-genuine Labour supporters signed up to vote in Corbyn too, because they could see the potential damage that would do to the party.


Just Another Apocalypse said:
The previous election had them campaign on the lie they would pay off student debt, two Labour MP s made videos stating this. It was never called out during the campaign. Then after they still lost, the line was 'it wasn't in the manifesto '.

This massively pissed off loads of unemployed postgrads with useless Richards in gender studies, who then didn't bother voting (or if they did voted Green).
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They either didn't learn from the Lib Dems lie of the 2010s (whose candidates still get grilled on it now), or stupidly thought the reason LD fell out of favour was purely the coalition with the Conservatives, so risked an even bigger lie instead. Which is very short-sighted of them if so.

Because it's not just students with loans that have an interest in supporting what may appear to be a genuine call to sort out the financing of higher education. It's their families, potential students, and their families too. It seems more and more are being pushed into going to uni, and (at least regionally) with the voting age being dropped to 16 where kids are starting to get groomed into going to uni by their schools, it's not an insignificant number of people to risk pissing off before the next vote.
Considering how publicly these parties desperately beg the youth for their vote, promising such wonderful things as reduced fees, no fees, right down to wiping student debt, knowing it's all lies - that's got to leave a bad taste in the mouth for any reasonable person who's paid attention during any such campaigning period. Can't imagine it sits well with residents of university constituencies either.
 
AnOminous said:
Even on current Wikipedia, as bad as it is, that kind of weaseling will get your edit reverted or at least a [citation needed] thrown in. Like "some say" gets a [who?]
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The problem is that the news is reporting on someone saying it, not the truth of the claims. Social media just exacerbates what's already there.

When it is presented by the news, which is meant to be information not knee jerk takes on delicate situations, it makes dumb people think those takes are facts. It's on the news after all. These are the same people who take the attitude that claims on Twitter and Facebook are true too.
 
Schlong song said:
Why do the BBC get away with advertising for Twitter, Facebook and instagram?

Almost all of their online stories (I haven't watched the news since Suzanna reid and Bill Turnbull left) are links to Twitter and Facebook. Even pimping out Twitter and Facebook to get more links and stories. Worse still, the twitter links are some old hag from up the road. "Here's what some fat old trollop and a young council-estate slut with five kids have to say on Twitter"

I remember BP getting reamed for painting a pepsi cup in white, but you could still see the Pepsi logo very faintly.

What's the deal?
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I've had opportunities to "advertise" on the BBC. Some agency will email us saying they're working with the BBC on "Widget Month" and would we be happy to donate Widgets for BBC sponsored school projects and we'll get an "interview" on the radio. To us this is 100% advertising but apparently not because we have no control over the actual content of the radio show.

Tom Scott did a video that covers similar points. It's all about having "control" over the content of the advert rather than the advert itself.

 
Racist Trash said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Police release men from immigration van blocking Glasgow street

Ch Supt Mark Sutherland says the pair had to be let go to protect safety and public health.
www.bbc.co.uk

The Scottish one declares all immigrants should stay in Scotland to own the Tories.
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LOL porridge wogs. What an utter irrelevance.

Where's the free bikes and laptops Nicky? And, where's the Syrian Fugees you put up in Bute Hoose?

I'm sure its less a red-hot take and more a pertinent reminder at this point that cucked Limey's willingly choose to pay a loicence for this shit.
 
Racist Trash said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Police release men from immigration van blocking Glasgow street

Ch Supt Mark Sutherland says the pair had to be let go to protect safety and public health.
www.bbc.co.uk

The Scottish one declares all immigrants should stay in Scotland to own the Tories.
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Oh the fucking cunts changed the article rather than writing a fucking new one, and I was on my phone and didn't fucking archive.

Here is one someone took before they changed it fully including sturgeon quote, thank fuck.
The original title was "man under van to protest immigrant detention" or something to that effect so this was an edit from the original.
 
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