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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Slimy Time]

UK court orders forced abortion for disabled woman

A British judge has authorized doctors to perform an abortion on a pregnant Catholic woman with developmental disabilities and a mood disorder, despite the objections of the woman’s mother and the woman herself. The woman is 22 weeks pregnant.

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I don't got a joke for this, this is just really fucked up and a terrifying precedent to set.

It's been precedent for years. Government can step in legally if it is considered to be in the best interest of the patient. I believe the first case involved blood transfusion of a dying woman who was religious (the one which doesn't allow swapping of blood, I don't recall which). This is what happens when you use a public health service like the NHS, you lose agency and the ability to make your own decision, even if said decision goes against the advice of the doctor. If Americans want an argument that will resonate with the pro freedom American populace against a public health service, this could be it.

For this case though, basically the woman was a child. A mini, black Chris Chan. Would you trust Chris Chan to care for a kid?

 

[Underestimated Nutria]

That's just insulting the intelligence of grade-schoolers, the average nigerian IQ is around 70.
Which would probably qualify as a disability on its own. I guess the UK might as well institute a blanket-bank on nigerians having children, by that standard.

Forced sterilisations would be way more humane than forced abortions, though...

The IQ of the Igbo, and not just those who emigrate, seems to above a standard deviation higher than most Nigerians. Just a curious fact.

 

[MemeGray]

Lol this is the judge, she looks exactly how I thought she would.

 

[Sped Xing]

You want someone bigger and stronger to decide who can impregnate whom for the "good of society," which they will determine.

Admit it, eugenics is just cuckoldry.

 

[Otterly]

This hasn’t been reported anywhere I’ve seen in the news in the uk. Here’s an idea - rather than force a woman who wants the baby into an abortion, howabout investigating how and why someone was able to have sex with a girl who has the mental age of a child?
She’s already twenty weeks, so this will have to be surgically done. If she goes much further it’ll have to be partial birth abortion.

The Alfie Evans case is not really relevant here imo. The parents were young and naive and were manipulated by various agencies. The child, unfortunately, had no hope of survival at all. The parents supporters created a huge protest and disrupted care at the hospital significantly, with parents of other sick and dying kids having to listen to the mob outside. It was just a mess.

Forced abortion and forced birth are gross breaches of a woman’s bodily autonomy. Why is no one focusing on who got her pregnant and on her future safeguarding? The damage here is done - she has a mother who will care for the child, at this point a forced abortion is just further trauma.

 

[Lurkio]

It's been precedent for years. Government can step in legally if it is considered to be in the best interest of the patient. I believe the first case involved blood transfusion of a dying woman who was religious (the one which doesn't allow swapping of blood, I don't recall which). This is what happens when you use a public health service like the NHS, you lose agency and the ability to make your own decision, even if said decision goes against the advice of the doctor. If Americans want an argument that will resonate with the pro freedom American populace against a public health service, this could be it.

For this case though, basically the woman was a child. A mini, black Chris Chan. Would you trust Chris Chan to care for a kid?

Dude, come on, that's not fair. This women is clearly more emotionally mature then Chris-chan.

 

[break these cuffs]

Do we want to force someone who was raped to carry a child to term?

Who's forcing her to carry the child to term? Where has she asked for an abortion and been denied one? She was raped by some government orderly, but lets be real it was some nignog relative, so now the government gets kill the kid? Real talk is that I'm fine with abortion. I just think the left should be honest about what they're doing. It isn't just a clump of cells. It is an unborn child. You are killing an unborn child. There was a case in the Bronx earlier this year where Army veteran Livia Abreu lost her child after being stabbed 6 times by by the father. The passing of the Reproductive Health Act by New York state government exonerated him of charges related to killing the unborn child. He of course faced charges for for the violent assault he perpetrated, but on the one against Livia. The government told her she gets no justice for her baby.

What does raise my hackles, and maybe just because I'm a burger and don't have a fetish for oppressive governments like Euros, is the state mandating that we kill children. At least in the States we can't even say unborn children anymore now that the left has been legalizing post birth abortions. What if this woman goes into some kind of premature labor? Is NHS going to let the baby just die rather than sending it to NICU? Will they even make sure it's delivered alive? What if it lives, does the mother and her family now get to raise the child? If the child gets to live after some kind of emergency procedure, why can't it live now?

Forced abortion and forced birth are gross breaches of a woman’s bodily autonomy. Why is no one focusing on who got her pregnant and on her future safeguarding? The damage here is done - she has a mother who will care for the child, at this point a forced abortion is just further trauma.

Because likely it one of two answers; it was some NHS worker and the government doesn't want to deal with that scandal or it was some relative and they don't want to draw attention to how much third worlders rape each other. It's better optics for the government to just kill the kid.

 

[Arcturus]

As far as I'm concerned the Alfie case is relevant here. People care for their potato kids all the time. Whatever the doctors wanted to try, even if it wouldn't help Alfie, might have helped another baby at some point if they'd been allowed to test it. The big issue here is that the government shouldn't have a say in it. The government shouldn't be allowed to decide if your kid is worth trying to save. Especially in a case where you raised your own god damn money for the whole thing and another country was going to help you.

And in this case, they have no business forcing an abortion on someone. The woman is mentally challenged. She won't understand and it's going to be more traumatic than letting her give birth and allowing her mother take care of the child. It's also against their religion. You know, that oh so sacred thing that makes Britfags let Muslims do whatever they want? It's not their fucking business. Particularly in a country where shitskins pop out half baked potato incest babies left and right (also a drain on your resources) and no one bats a fucking eye (which, shocking! Also ties back to their ~cultural and religious freedom~). Fuck the British and fuck anyone who defends any of this.

 

[Ralph from Chicago]

The woman, who cannot been publicly identified, has been described as “in her twenties,” and is under the care of an NHS trust, part of the UK’s National Health Service.

Catholic News Agency needs a god damned type editor.

 

[Sped Xing]

Catholic News Agency needs a god damned type editor.

I don't think those exist in currentyear

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Whatever the doctors wanted to try, even if it wouldn't help Alfie, might have helped another baby at some point if they'd been allowed to test it.

Incorrect. The care plan put forward by the Bambino Gesu Hospital was simply palliative care by another means; there was still no chance of recovery in the circumstances. But because they were Scousers they did the whole woe is me thing and demanded asspats over it. It was rearranging the deckchairs.

And in this case, they have no business forcing an abortion on someone. The woman is mentally challenged. She won't understand and it's going to be more traumatic than letting her give birth and allowing her mother take care of the child.

I fear the Dunning-Kruger is strong in you. That was exactly the opposite of what the Court found, no doubt based upon the medical and psychiatric evidence before it.

Particularly in a country where shitskins pop out half baked potato incest babies left and right (also a drain on your resources) and no one bats a fucking eye (which, shocking! Also ties back to their ~cultural and religious freedom~).

Citation needed. No, really. I'd love to see an actual documented case of the authorities going all cUlTuRAl sENSiTiVItY over a "potato incest baby."

What if this woman goes into some kind of premature labor? Is NHS going to let the baby just die rather than sending it to NICU? Will they even make sure it's delivered alive? What if it lives, does the mother and her family now get to raise the child? If the child gets to live after some kind of emergency procedure, why can't it live now?

How pregnant is she? At 24 weeks there is said to be a roughly 50% chance of survival if born. Coincidentally, that is also the cut off point for legal abortions here. Before that, it's extremely unlikely.

 

[Coolio55]

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Lol this is the judge, she looks exactly how I thought she would.

Tranny Nicolas Cage?

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Slippery slopes and socialized medicine leading to death council's are just a right wing conspiracy theory!

 

[Chewy Suarez]

I feel that this is just as bad as forcing women to carry a child to full term despite them actually needing an abortion (rape/incest/teen pregnancy/health concerns/etc.) just on the other end of the spectrum.

If she wanted to carry the child and give it to her mother, she should’ve. No one should be deciding what you do with your body. It’s the same argument against heartbeat laws in the South.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

I feel that this is just as bad as forcing women to carry a child to full term despite them actually needing an abortion (rape/incest/teen pregnancy/health concerns/etc.) just on the other end of the spectrum.

If she wanted to carry the child and give it to her mother, she should’ve. No one should be deciding what you do with your body. It’s the same argument against heartbeat laws in the South.

I think this is one area where pro-choicers and pro-lifers should be able to come together in agreement. Whether you are principally concerned about the autonomy of the woman, or more concerned about the sanctity of the unborn, there is simply no way that you can support the idea of forcing a woman against her will to terminate a pregnancy, not on either ground.

I do have my doubts about the credibility of this story though. It would be useful to get more details.

Slippery slopes and socialized medicine leading to death council's are just a right wing conspiracy theory!

You've really got it backwards. Socialized medicine is arguably the best antidote to death panels, since the universal nature of coverage removes any deliberation about people with preexisting conditions. The real 'death panels' are the corporate shareholders meetings that would take place in the absence of government mandates.

 

[MW 590]

I feel that this is just as bad as forcing women to carry a child to full term despite them actually needing an abortion (rape/incest/teen pregnancy/health concerns/etc.) just on the other end of the spectrum.

If she wanted to carry the child and give it to her mother, she should’ve. No one should be deciding what you do with your body. It’s the same argument against heartbeat laws in the South.

Your wrong, this is the slippery slope that is caused when abortion is legalized. When people come up with excuses for taking innocent life such as the ones you mentioned, it leads to them coming up with additional excuses. This is what happens when a society loses Christianity.

 

[PN 801]

Your wrong, this is the slippery slope that is caused when abortion is legalized. When people come up with excuses for taking innocent life such as the ones you mentioned, it leads to them coming up with additional excuses. This is what happens when a society loses Christianity.

You got Muslim in the back valley waiting to strike.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Would the baby be born a tard? That 100% determines the ethics involved.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

where is the father in all of this?

 

[Sped Xing]

How can anyone be anti-abortion but make an exception for rape or incest? It's OK to kill someone if their father was a rapist? If it's ok to kill a fetus because it's not a person, then why does it matter who the father is?