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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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@Mr. A. L. Mao

1. Tbh "we keep fighting all the time and finally we had THE FIGHT and s/he just went fuck it and walked out" is the standard divorce from my personal experience. Long term erosion of a marriage leading to a breakdown like that is waaay more common in my observation than the classic "I found out s/he was cheating! divorce this ho!" stuff.

Truth is, marriage is hard, and there will be times it's really, really hard. And some folk choose (I say this without judgement) to decide they've had enough, and split up. Pressures around money and kids are a massive marriage killer.

It makes financial sense to file ASAP if you are the one with the kids. Honestly, it doesn't matter who was unhappy or why. The kids need food regardless.

2. Excuse the soapbox, but in terms of UK law, the "dads can't get custody because [bullshit] so there's no point in even trying" is without question THE most destructive myth in family breakdown/crisis scenarios. The default position enshrined in UK law is 50/50 custody. The only way the court will deviate from that is if one of the parties AGREES to take less than 50/50 or it can be proven in court (on the balance of probabilities) that they are a fucking crackhead paedo.

The reason so many dads don't get the 50/50 custody the law promises them is that they don't say they want it. They are happy to - in many cases actively instruct their lawyers to obtain - weekends only, every other weekend, that sort of thing. I acted for a lot of dads (I... somehow ended up with all the male clients in my old practice, Idk if that was some kind of recommendation, but anyway) and the first fucking thing these ordinary guys, who loved their kids, would say to me is "But I work full time! How can I have the kids with me, how could I look after them?" I had one standard answer: "Your soon to be ex wife is going to work full time after your divorce, and she is not having this conversation with her solicitor right now. She intends to figure it out. You and I are going to do the same. Now, tell me about anyone who can help you, how the kids are cared for right now, and we can figure out roughly how you could manage."

Most of them responded to being given this shake, and got their kids more or less half the week. Some of them though absolutely baffled me. They were completely unwilling to make the - I admit major - changes necessary to have their kids half the time. They were happy to be weekend dads.

I can only help you if you meet me halfway. If you do, I will do everything in my power to preserve your relationship with your children, because that is worth more than anything else in a divorce settlement. But if you really don't want to do school runs and overnights and cover half the school holidays, then I can't help it if your kids get a bit distant. If you do not step up to fight for your kids, even a little bit, the court will conclude you can't be fucked with the day to day caretaking of them.

I have never failed to get a dad a custody arrangement he was happy with. I hope years later things are working out for those families.

3. I would say the system is tilted heavily in favour of the parent with custody, but see point 2 above: that ought to be a 50/50 arrangement unless one or both parties is going to fight dirty and go for false accusations and all that shite. (Yes, been there, done that; won. It's a despicable tactic and I condemn utterly those solicitors who are prepared to resort to it. (It's also very easily disproven.)

The other big factor is whether the marriage is a 'traditional' one, in that one partner earns (nearly) all the income and the other partner has (mostly) stepped out of the workforce to bring up the children of the marriage. The long term hit on lifetime earnings - plus the hit to pension income and overall pension pot value, which is often neglected in this discussion and is crippling - is really severe. There is a figure floating around that to take five years out of the workplace before 35 will, by 80, in terms of salary and pension worth, have cost you a million quid. Now, if you have more than one kid and lengthen that five years, or you only go back part time to make childcare easier, that financial hit is even worse. Divorces of "traditional" couples in their late sixties often see the homemaking partner handed more than 50% of the marital assets on that basis - UK courts very very rarely grant any form of alimony at all, so they get given a larger share of the capital to support themselves.

On the other hand, the UK courts explicitly do not take into account "lifestyle when married" for the divorcing parties. (It is taken into account when sorting out child maintenance, but those proceedings are dealt with separately and there are different calculations in play there. If one of your parents is rich as fuck, it is reasonable that you should not have to live on the bones of your arse.) If you can keep a roof over your head, albeit a shitty one, and feed yourself, albeit on Tesco beans, the court dgaf. Shit happens and you are expected to earn a living for yourself.

Divorcing to get rich is not a thing here. (There are occasionally high profile cases where the couple got rich during the marriage, and the court is being asked to come up with a figure for how much the non working partner's contribution was worth to the increased wealth of the household jointly. These are invariably hilarious because Rich Folks Fighting, and the judgements are always worth a read. The divorce of Heather Mills and Paul McCartney was especially hilarious in this respect.)
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Thank you for your contribution! Whenever the topic of custody comes up, people like to get on their socio-political soapbox because of stats they've read and muh persecution complex, but you've clearly shown why custodial arrangements favor women.
 
The New IRA are responsible for the attack, according to PSNI. The Dissident group Saoradh has claimed that this was carried out to mark the centenary of the Soloheadbeg ambush and the beginning of the War of Independence in 1919.
 
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Macron's also playing silly buggers as 77% of UK food needs are met domestically, meaning the rest of the EU forces us to buy things either at restricted rates (New Zealand and Australian Beef and Lamb) or has eye watering rates of tariffs on them (1500% for roasted coffee beans to protects jobs in Germany, 300% on cane sugar mostly protecting German and French Sugar Beet farmers...)
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Haha Euros actually raise sugar beets? Niggas just buy our high fructose corn syrup, it's more efficient.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/global-...ns-of-girls-subjected-to-breast-ironing-in-uk

Perpetrators consider it a traditional measure to stop unwanted male attention

A stone used for breast-ironing is placed on a fire. Photograph: Joe Penney/Reuters
An African practice of “ironing” a girl’s chest with a hot stone to delay breast formation is spreading in the UK, with anecdotal evidence of dozens of recent cases, a Guardian investigation has established.

Community workers in London, Yorkshire, Essex and the West Midlands have told the Guardian of cases in which pre-teen girls from the diaspora of several African countries are subjected to the painful, abusive and ultimately futile practice.

Margaret Nyuydzewira, head of the diaspora group the Came Women and Girls Development Organisation (Cawogido), estimated that at least 1,000 women and girls in the UK had been subjected to the intervention. There has been no systematic study or formal data collection exercise.




Margaret Nyuydzewira, who herself was subjected to the practice of breast-ironing as a young woman.
Another community activist, who did not wish to be named, said she was aware of 15-20 recent cases in Croydon alone.

“It’s usually done in the UK, not abroad like female genital mutilation (FGM),” she said, describing a practice whereby mothers, aunties or grandmothers use a hot stone to massage across the breast repeatedly in order to “break the tissue” and slow its growth.

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“Sometimes they do it once a week, or once every two weeks, depending on how it comes back,” she added.

The perpetrators, usually mothers, consider it a traditional measure which protects girls from unwanted male attention, sexual harassment and rape. Medical experts and victims regard it as child abuse which could lead to physical and psychological scars, infections, inability to breastfeed, deformities and breast cancer.

The United Nations describes it as one of five global under-reported crimes relating to gender-based violence.

One woman living in the suburbs of an English city told the Guardian how she went about ironing her daughter’s chest at the first sign of puberty.

“I took the stone, I warmed it, and then I started massaging [my daughter’s chest],” she said. “And the stone was a little bit hot. When I started massaging, she said: ‘Mummy, it’s hot!’” The child developed bruising and the mother was eventually questioned by police, before being released with a caution.

British-Somali anti-FGM campaigner and psychotherapist Leyla Hussein said she has spoken to five women in her north London clinic who had been victims of breast-ironing.

“They were all British women, all British citizens,” Hussein said. One of the women said she became flat-chested as a result of the practice, said Hussein. “She kept saying: ‘I have a boy’s chest.’ But no one has ever questioned her about it. No one had physically checked her. This was in north London, just down the road,” said Hussein.

“I was a nurse in the UK for over 10 years and watched the numbers grow,” said Jennifer Miraj, who worked in hospitals in Essex, Glasgow, Birmingham and London until 2015. Miraj said she came across confirmed cases of breast-ironing in approximately 15 adults and eight girls.


“I took care of a young 10-year-old girl who had an infection, which had been going on for a few years from ironing,” she said, describing a case from Broomfield hospital in Essex.

Mary Claire, a church minister in Wolverhampton, said she had spoken to four victims in Leeds, originally from west Africa. “You could see the marks,” she said.

Police say they have fielded no allegations about breast-ironing in the UK, but suspect it is happening.

“If I knew it was happening, I would do something about it,” said the Insp Allen Davis from the Met police.

“Prosecutions are really important,” he added. “People have to recognise these practices for what they are – child abuse.”

A recent London borough of Brent mental health report mentioned that voluntary sector organisations working across the African diaspora felt that breast-ironing was “an emerging issue” which “was not receiving enough attention”.

“It is surprising to me that the police and other authorities are not allocating even the resources clearly needed to deal with this horrific phenomenon,” said Alex Carlile, one of UK’s leading QCs, who is a former deputy high court judge and a member of the House of Lords.

“Surely it’s high time for the police and prosecuting authorities to address and tackle the issue in a robust manner, sensitive to the personal issues that arise for young victims and their communities.”

“It’s not only an issue of funding, it is also an issue of political will to tackle something that historically has been accepted as a cultural practice,” said Conservative MP Maria Miller, who also chairs the women’s and equalities select committee in parliament.

“I think public service providers have to start being more honest and realistic about some of the things they are encountering, and to have the support to challenge what are abusive and barbaric practices, particularly aimed against children,” she added.

The government has said it is “absolutely committed” to stamping out the practice. But activists and social workers say that little has been done thus far.

“Nothing came out of this – nothing!” said campaigner Geraldine Yenwo of Cawogido. “We talk about early marriage and violence against women and girls but no one ever mentions breast-ironing,” she added.

Nyuydzewira, who was herself subjected to the abuse as a girl, said British authorities were not taking the problem seriously, and have not prosecuted those doing breast-ironing on their children on grounds of it being seen as a “cultural practice”.

“The British people are so polite in the sense that when they see something like that, they think of cultural sensitivities,” she said. “But if it’s a cultural practice that is harming children … any harm that is done to a little girl, whether in public or in secrecy, that person should be held accountable.”
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third world problem literally unknown until it was imported into the UK.
 
The government has said it is “absolutely committed” to stamping out the practice. But activists and social workers say that little has been done thus far.
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I had to take a closer look at that article. Let's just say I'm not surprised.

The government has been urged to introduce a new criminal offence of breast ironing in the UK to protect young girls from the abuse.

The practice involves using hot objects to pound and massage girls' breasts to try to stunt their growth in the belief it makes them less sexually attractive.

MP Jake Berry said about 1,000 girls in the UK were thought to be affected by the "abhorrent practice".

The government said police could charge culprits with a range of offences.

Home Office minister Karen Bradley said the government was "absolutely committed" to putting a stop to the practice.

But she admitted "certain professionals" still felt reticent about tackling such practices because of "cultural sensitivities" - and said they needed to be given the confidence to take action.

'Unimaginable pain'
Opening the debate in the Commons, Mr Berry said breast ironing was believed to have originated in Cameroon but cases had also been found in Nigeria, Benin, Chad "and Birmingham and London".

He said it was "hard to prove its extent or prevalence in the UK" because, like female genital mutilation (FGM), the fact the practice "most often carried out by a family member" meant it was "hidden".

According to a UN report, 58% of perpetrators were the victims' own mothers.

The MP for Rossendale and Darwen said girls as young as 10 were subjected to "unimaginable pain and suffering" and exposed to potential health problems including cancer, infection and cysts.

"Hot stones, hammers and spatulas are used twice a day for several weeks or months to stop or delay and in some cases permanently destroy the natural development of the breast," he said.

Culture, tradition and religion were often used to justify the practice, Mr Berry said, adding: "But just as in the case of FGM these words are a thinly veiled excuse for a ritualised form of child abuse." It had "no place in any society", he said.

'Cultural sensitivities'
Mr Berry said 15% of UK police forces had no awareness of breast ironing and 23% of local children's services were not trained to deal with it, with 65% saying they would welcome more guidance.

"If we fail to let them have the tools they require to identify and understand the victims of this crime, we will never be able to tackle it," he told the Commons.

"My understanding is that there is currently no stand-alone crime of breast ironing in the UK, with police and prosecutors relying on the existing pool of criminal offences available to them.

"Just like with FGM, this... is not an adequate protection for young women and girls in our country," the MP added.

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Home Office minister Karen Bradley said there was a range of offences available to the police to tackle the crime including common assault, child cruelty and grievous bodily harm.

"What we're talking about is child abuse, it is illegal, it is a crime, it is not acceptable.

"I want to assure the House that the government fully understands this and is absolutely committed to putting a stop to it," she said.

Pressed over the role of schools in tackling such harmful practices, the minister said "there are certain professionals who may feel reticent about this".

She added: "They may feel that somehow there are cultural sensitivities, there are political reasons why they shouldn't go there.

"This is simply not the case and we need to give those professionals the confidence to know that this is something that they should be looking for, that they know what the signs are and that they take action because that is what we all need to do."
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I was going to go on some rant about a developed western country not having laws in place to criminalize burning kids to the point of deforming them. But then I remembered we're dealing with the British. Chances are, a law doing so wouldn't make a difference because the police wouldn't be able to enforce it without offending any Muslims.
 
Imagine finding out that someone is mutilating young girls only to do nothing out of fear of being labelled as racist. What bastards.
 
“The British people are so polite in the sense that when they see something like that, they think of cultural sensitivities,” she said. “But if it’s a cultural practice that is harming children … any harm that is done to a little girl, whether in public or in secrecy, that person should be held accountable.”
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You can have a woke WOC straight outta Africa tell the Brits that and you know they'll still feel it's improper to address publicly.
 
I've actually heard about this practice before, but only in African countries. No doubt the rapists that these mothers are "protecting" their daughters from are men from their own countries.

If immigrants were being properly integrated into our culture like pro-immigration supporters claim will happen naturally, then these women would've learned that the best way to deal with rapists is to out them and report them to the police. Instead, they choose to physically and psychologically scar their own children.
 
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