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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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My bad. Lieutenant Glowie McFed. Congrats on the promotion.
I don't know what on Earth I have ever done to get that accusation. But you're on your own from this point.

What's the benefit of becoming PM? Extra stress, hassle, a chance of becoming hated, for what reward?
A place in history, connections and graft up the wazoo. Becoming PM is "winning" the game of political power MPs have been playing all their lives. It lines you up for endless graft and the dinner party circuit, you have power over your party (yes, even Starmer) and you become the pre-eminent target for donor favours because of your influence. Do you even have to ask? And most PMs don't care if they're hated by the ordinary person. If they did Tony Blair would have self-immolated long ago. Starmer wouldn't be able to look himself in the mirror. What possibly made you think the common person's hatred is a factor?
 
My bad. Lieutenant Glowie McFed. Congrats on the promotion.

What's the benefit of becoming PM? Extra stress, hassle, a chance of becoming hated, for what reward?
Overly isn’t a glowie, don’t be daft. There are a few in here for sure though.

But as for what the benefit of being PM is - really? They all do their time in the cabinet then they go into a lifetime of gravy train in NGOs - just look at the foul Jacinda Ahern, who wrecked her country during Covid and who is now part of the Blair NGO. It’s the stuff after that they benefit from, the PM role is almost minor for them. Once they’ve operate at tha senior cabinet level AND BEHAVED AS THEIR MASTERS WISHED the are set for life
 
I find it genuinely depressing to read stuff like this constantly. I’m just trying to get through my life being a vaguely competent worker/mother/human. I’m sure I have may faults, I’m sure there’s a million things I could do better, so could most of us, but to think that half of humanity looks at me and sees either ‘hole’ or ‘retarded’ just makes me feel bleak as.
For what it's worth, I think you're cool.

I was raised by absolute dogshit examples of how some Women can be. When people have such consistent negative experiences whilst their brain is still developing, it's easy to tar all with the same brush. It's something I really try to fight in myself. You and others like you help remind me that you're not all retarded or evil.
 
For what it's worth, I think you're cool.

I was raised by absolute dogshit examples of how some Women can be. When people have such consistent negative experiences whilst their brain is still developing, it's easy to tar all with the same brush. It's something I really try to fight in myself. You and others like you help remind me that you're not all retarded or evil.
That’s genuinely touching, thank you. And sorry to hear it as well -
I think it goes both ways - a lot of women are raised with no decent men in their lives as well, and whichever way it is it’s hard to see past that without some real effort to do so. Our early experiences shape us greatly but we can all change and adapt if we are self aware enough (not easy though!)
@Spud you’ve got to make the benefits package worthwhile.
 
I don't know what on Earth I have ever done to get that accusation. But you're on your own from this point.
Overly isn’t a glowie, don’t be daft. There are a few in here for sure though.
Calm down, dear, it's just a commercial light hearted joke.
Living up to the name Overly Serious though.
Becoming PM is "winning" the game of political power MPs have been playing all their lives
But as for what the benefit of being PM is - really?
Both of your posts are spot on and I couldn't agree more. You've described a normal MP though, not Farage.
Farage doesn't want to win because it means the end of the underdog graft. If he sits at the top, he is now responsible and not able to shout from the sidelines.
Farage is the fat fucker in the pub telling athletes how to a kick a ball and run faster.
They're the best, funniest, most interesting person in the Queen's Head, but put them on a pitch and they become open to mockery and lose their standing and persona.

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Something a little bit intellectual to thunk about. @Made In Wales can even join in with this one.

Why are Reform so popular?
What has changed that has meant the solid institutions of Labour and Conservative are no longer effective?

Social changes led to party changes. Whigs and Tories became Liberal and Tories, which turned into Labour and Tories after WW1 where Liberals collapsed from a majority to a minority party and never took control again (I scanned wiki).

If Reform are going to do to the Conservatives what the Labour party did to the Liberals; absorb the members and change the message, then why has that occurred?

What shift have we seen in society for this effect to happen?
 

Mandelson reported to police by SNP and Reform after files suggest he sent government information to Epstein​

The SNP and Reform UK have reported Peter Mandelson to the Metropolitan Police.

It comes after emails released in the Epstein files suggest that Mandelson forwarded internal government information to Epstein when he was then-Prime Minister Gordon Brown's business secretary.

The Leader of the SNP in Westminster - Stephen Flynn - said in a letter to the Met Police commissioner: "If such allegations are investigated and proven, it is gravely serious – for Peter Mandelson, for the Labour Prime Ministers who appointed him and for the UK government as a whole. That is why I believe it is now clearly in the public interest that all of these newly released emails and files, and Mandelson’s entire period in UK Labour Governments, must now be criminally investigated."

The SNP leader continued in the letter, saying "grounds for such a criminal investigation are already well established in law. In the Attorney General's Reference No 3 of 2003 [2004] EWCA Crim 868 the court said that the misconduct must amount to: '… an affront to the standing of the public office held. The threshold is a high one requiring conduct so far below acceptable standards as to amount to an abuse of the public's trust in the office holder'."

Speaking to the BBC, Flynn says: "What we've seen is an email exchange - or multiple email exchanges - of information which appears to be market sensitive that was shared with, the former Prime Minister, Gordon Brown being shared by Lord Mandelson with the convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Now that's a profoundly serious matter it's something which yes the government should be investigating through the Cabinet Office, but I firmly believe the police should be looking at this too as a matter of potential criminality."

Reform UK have confirmed to the BBC they have reported Mandelson.

The BBC has approached Mandelson for comment. He has previously raised questions about the authenticity of some of the documents that were recently disclosed by the US justice department.
 
Of all the cruel things you could have said to @Duane Dibbley , this is the lowest. How many comments does he have to make for you?
Tbf indians call them pakis probably more than actual white people do.
I think it goes both ways
It definitely does. Just in different ways. I always hear guys (especially gay ones) talking about how fucking horrible women are and how they're retarded and self absorbed and all that and how men are so much better. Then it's like ahh yes men, that group that famously do not cause any problems in relationships and absolutely never beat or rape women. Women are all worthless retarded whores says the guy who is only alive because of a woman and her love and care she has given for years with no expectation of repayment. I think maybe all people have the capacity to be absolute cunts and gender doesn't really matter outside of the ways they will be a cunt, not the magnitude of it. There's like 30 million women in the country, if you think every single one of them is a worthless retarded cunt then boy do I have a giant black cube to sell you.
 
Always happy to answer your questions @Duane Dibbley

Why are Reform so popular?

Do you want the long or short answer?

The long answer will be an 'essay' type response, but in short Nigel is seen as a common sense leader who understands and cares for the silent majority of forgotten, disrespected and discarded Britons.

He has also managed to do what Nick Griffin (BNP) and Paul Golding and Ashlea Simon (Britain First) couldn't and that is grow a party on 'the Right' which has gained support and traction twice - once with UKIP during its rise to power in the 2010s and now with Reform UK in the 2020s. In doing do, he has stymied the growth of those other parties on 'the Right' who don't have the attraction that Reform UK do - ask yourself why Britain First, Advance UK, BNP etc. never appear on the Polls.

It's the Political equivalent of taking non-league Wrexham to the brink of promotion to the Premier League in a short space of time. They've grown at the expense and stupidity of their rivals, especially Labour, who have done the hard work for them in making themselves completely unelectable.

What has changed that has meant the solid institutions of Labour and Conservative are no longer effective?

They no longer work for the people, but rather are dead set to work against the people and people can now blatantly see that there is no future for the UK with those two parties - the Tories crashed after Covid (the events of Summer 2022 which resulted in Boris Johnson resigning being a key factor) and not even two years into their reign, Labour have become even less popular than the Tories by offering less freedoms, more tax and employing frauds like Rachel Reeves into high office.

It's damage which the two parties inflicted on themselves - political suicide in any other guise.

Social changes led to party changes. Whigs and Tories became Liberal and Tories, which turned into Labour and Tories after WW1 where Liberals collapsed from a majority to a minority party and never took control again (I scanned wiki).

If Reform are going to do to the Conservatives what the Labour party did to the Liberals; absorb the members and change the message, then why has that occurred?


Let's not forget that whilst at the 'top table' there have been Conservatives defecting to Reform UK, lower down the table there have been Labour, Lib Dems and even Greens who have decided that Reform UK is the party for them. The message is that those disaffected people feel that Labour and the Tories no longer care about the electorate and it is time for much needed change.

If Reform UK is to play in the top league, then they will (unfortunately, perhaps) require the services of people who have experience of being in office and know the mechanisms of Parliament. Up until Summer 2024, the party only had one MP with experience of this (Lee Anderson) and now we may shortly have nine, perhaps even ten if another by-election is called following the events of today.

The message IMO hasn't really changed, what has changed though (again IMO) is that Reform UK successfully took advantage of a power vacuum in the Centre as the Tories tried to pivot to the Left and make themselves more appealing and acceptable to the Guardian classes - it didn't work, and Kemi Badenoch trying desperately to get die hard Lefties to give the Tories a try was never going to work. The result is that the Tories no longer know who they are nor what they stand for.

What shift have we seen in society for this effect to happen?

Whilst other parties are trying to pivot Left in order to look presentable, and also hoover up the 'Youth Vote', Reform UK are able to steal the Centre yet remain a Right Wing party as anything which we would have thought of as normal or centrist thinking years ago is now verboten thanks to the woke rules of society which state that a woman can have a penis, eating grass lowers carbon emissions and licking toilet seats means that you stand against big orange meanie nasty Trump.

In essence, Reform UK have maintained that common sense matters more than common purpose and as such whilst the world has gone mad over the past 10-15 years since 'Occupy Wall Street' Reform UK's attitude has been to take the view of 'no, there are only two genders' and 'we cannot import endless migrants and think we won't suffer culturally, societally and/or environmentally.'

Other parties have lost ground as people, predominantly since the return of Trump as POTUS, have now gone fully Right Wing or are leaving the Left because it offers them nothing and they are going to stay as Centrists if they're not completely in favour of Reform UK (you have to bear in mind that a growing trend, as seen in Gorton & Denton, is that a growing amount of people now want 'definitely none of the above'). What remains of the Left is now just a volatile hotch-potch of angry and disillusioned protestors who believe that the world should kowtow to them 'just because', as a result they only offer problems and never any solutions.

This is where younger voters will, in time, definitely break with the Left as they don't want the problems which we have faced - they want the Climate Change problem gone, they want Africa to not be a basket-case and for countries there to grow and thrive without our help, they want an end to wars globally etc. and who can blame them? There will have to come a point soon where financing these unfixable problems becomes 'not a cool thing to do' and the drive and desire to improve things here becomes paramount.

Bridgend County Council, for instance, spent more on Climate Change initiatives last year than on improving Bridgend Town Centre and also broke its own rules by not introducing mandatory disability access which is a law left in from our time in the EU. The people there are angry, but the Council insist that this is what the people want. Yes, before you ask, it's a Labour-run one.

The shift is accelerating and at the start of 2026 I believe it's caught Starmer cold on many fronts - Epstein, Burnham, Trump showing up how useless he is, more U-turns than Maureen from Driving School. Even those who oppose Farage now want urgent change and even Zack Booby Man has dared utter those two words which see rainbows appear out of nowhere - General Election.

The TLDR is don't blame Reform UK for being successful without trying that hard, blame the others for trying so hard to fail that it's led to this inevitable schism and change in the political order.
 
Question primarily for @Made In Wales as they seem to be more In The Know about politics than someone like me who is bloody struggling to keep up with it all - but I would absolutely also love to hear the input of other fellow Brits, too.

Do you think there will ever be a Party ballsy enough to say "ALL Immigrants must go" or "ALL Muslims must leave" or "ALL trannies must just fckn NOT?

Would they ever get voted into power or have we been worn down so much that those who feel that way would be too scared to vote incase it made them sound a wrong 'un?

Personally, I think I feel that my main worries are about Islam becoming more prevalent in the UK, we have Sharia Banking, some Sharia Law groups that operate in their own communities, it is already squirming in. Lots of Muslims are in positions of power in various parts of the country, it's like chess, Or Independence Day where they spread their ships around to take down every major area all at once.

Same with Trannies. I don't want them squirming anywhere near me or my children, thankyou very much, but they also seem to be sneaking into important aspects of life.

Would it have to be a kind of Frog in steadily boiling water situation, but with the aim to steadily reduce the numbers slowly until the required result is achieved ( but run the risk of never getting voted in again if it takes longer than 1 term) or a

Make the country so inhospitable to their way of life that they up and leave?

Or a rip the plaster off, move quick, show people we mean business?

Or are none of those options workable in the real world?
 
Question primarily for @Made In Wales as they seem to be more In The Know about politics than someone like me who is bloody struggling to keep up with it all - but I would absolutely also love to hear the input of other fellow Brits, too.

Do you think there will ever be a Party ballsy enough to say "ALL Immigrants must go" or "ALL Muslims must leave" or "ALL trannies must just fckn NOT?

Would they ever get voted into power or have we been worn down so much that those who feel that way would be too scared to vote incase it made them sound a wrong 'un?

Personally, I think I feel that my main worries are about Islam becoming more prevalent in the UK, we have Sharia Banking, some Sharia Law groups that operate in their own communities, it is already squirming in. Lots of Muslims are in positions of power in various parts of the country, it's like chess, Or Independence Day where they spread their ships around to take down every major area all at once.

Same with Trannies. I don't want them squirming anywhere near me or my children, thankyou very much, but they also seem to be sneaking into important aspects of life.

Would it have to be a kind of Frog in steadily boiling water situation, but with the aim to steadily reduce the numbers slowly until the required result is achieved ( but run the risk of never getting voted in again if it takes longer than 1 term) or a

Make the country so inhospitable to their way of life that they up and leave?

Or a rip the plaster off, move quick, show people we mean business?

Or are none of those options workable in the real world?
What you need to understand, and it is the most important thing four our country is that Our Nigel isn't racist.

He will replace us all with Muslims, but he will replace us legally. That is why we all need to vote for Our Nigel.
 
He will replace us all with Muslims, but he will replace us legally. That is why we all need to vote for Our Nigel.
And jeets, don't forget that Nige absolutely fucking loves jeets. He loves them. The problem, IMO is that you basically have to get up and say "Yeah shit will be fucked for at least a year; but this is just something we have to do." and then kick out all the foreigns and your economy staggers around drunkenly and people suffer and complain and homeowners and old people absolutely shit themselves because their pensions and investments dissolve.
 
I'm voting Reform simply because even despite their flaws, they're still the least retarded party choice and there's a CHANCE they might remove migrants. I'm going to have to hold my nose and ignore the brown tories (tbh Braveman was probably the only one I'd have taken) or the Muslim chairman with almost as much power as Farage.

Labour are a no go, Tories are in a rough spot of being in a better place than before the election but with everyone still reeling from the effects of the worst fucking Tory reign in their lifetimes, Greens are a choice for degenerates and Palestine lovers, Your Party is freefalling more than Gazza at a vodka tasting session, Lib Dems are somehow even less electable than Your Party. I'm probably missing someone else here but I fully expect the SNP to eat shit at the next election too as Scotland has finally tasted the 'cultural enrichment' of pakis and Somalians.

If Lowe had a party I'd vote for it, but he's smart enough to know that this coming election is going to be a Reform wipeout so he'll be around to pick up the pieces if/when it starts to fall apart.
 
I'm voting Reform simply because even despite their flaws, they're still the least retarded party choice and there's a CHANCE they might remove migrants. I'm going to have to hold my nose and ignore the brown tories (tbh Braveman was probably the only one I'd have taken) or the Muslim chairman with almost as much power as Farage.
You've already lost by taking part in the humiliation ritual of voting.
 
but in short Nigel is seen as a common sense leader who understands and cares for the silent majority of forgotten, disrespected and discarded Britons.
Man I don't think so. Reform is popular because the tories are obviously fucking traitors that no one likes and reform acted as the only right wing party in the country. They're not popular because they're special they're popular because they are the only option. Or, were. Nigel isn't popular. He never has been that's why he has never won before. The party is popular because it offered something that no other party offered. If you are right wing then there was two options, you either went reform or you pissed in the ballot box. Now it's looking like there's only one option and I fucking hope you guys a drinking a lot because they're going to need it.
Do you think there will ever be a Party ballsy enough to say "ALL Immigrants must go" or "ALL Muslims must leave" or "ALL trannies must just fckn NOT?
Potentially. If trump bends keir over even more and makes a disgrace of him even more, or if the same happens with the Japanese PM that he just went to visit who looked fed up of him within seconds. She's also like unironic nazi supporter type shit. If we get enough countries that have competent leaders taking the piss then maybe people will go yea I want to be more like that. But it would need kier to be an absolute disgrace instead of the just regular disgrace he currently is. The problem is that it's fucking politics. I said it earlier but it's like the Chinese food supply. The only people with the power to fix things never have to deal with those things. The people who do have to deal with them will never have the power to fix them. Until there are so many immigrants that they start literally raping in parliament I don't think the 'left' will change. The right won't either because the right is the left. The only people that actually give a shit about this country are the common people. If they tried to run for a seat then they'd get the carl treatment and constantly be under a spotlight making them look as bad as possible (not that he needed much help) and the average person is just not trained to be a politician. It's the same as class. The upper class has colluded to ensure that you will never be one of them. Mostly because they are the politicians. Come out saying things like 'muslims are more likely to be rapists' or any provable fact like that and the system will have you arrested in seconds before you could even send out a ballot. If politicians had to live with the consequences of their actions or had any responsibility at all then maybe. But no. The 'responsibility' is too busy humping more muslims and dodging tax with his paedophile son.
 
Question primarily for @Made In Wales as they seem to be more In The Know about politics than someone like me who is bloody struggling to keep up with it all - but I would absolutely also love to hear the input of other fellow Brits, too.

Do you think there will ever be a Party ballsy enough to say "ALL Immigrants must go" or "ALL Muslims must leave" or "ALL trannies must just fckn NOT?

Would they ever get voted into power or have we been worn down so much that those who feel that way would be too scared to vote incase it made them sound a wrong 'un?


Personally, I think I feel that my main worries are about Islam becoming more prevalent in the UK, we have Sharia Banking, some Sharia Law groups that operate in their own communities, it is already squirming in. Lots of Muslims are in positions of power in various parts of the country, it's like chess, Or Independence Day where they spread their ships around to take down every major area all at once.

Same with Trannies. I don't want them squirming anywhere near me or my children, thankyou very much, but they also seem to be sneaking into important aspects of life.

Would it have to be a kind of Frog in steadily boiling water situation, but with the aim to steadily reduce the numbers slowly until the required result is achieved ( but run the risk of never getting voted in again if it takes longer than 1 term) or a

Make the country so inhospitable to their way of life that they up and leave?

Or a rip the plaster off, move quick, show people we mean business?

Or are none of those options workable in the real world?
Some very good questions there.

To answer (giving my opinion only)

1) Perhaps - it depends very much on culture and society shifting wholly against these types. If the Trannies, for example, threatened the safety of people including the Government then the clampdown could come.

For example, if Trannies killed an MP (a repeat of Jo Cox/Sir David Amess) then you'd see society pivot against them as even though we might not like our MP's we also do not condone murder. With regards to getting rid of Migrants, we have to ensure that we do this in the right way which means successfully leaving the ECHR and UN and to be free of their rules, mandates and doctrines etc. That would take time, but a quicker way could happen if Nigel puts us on a defence footing on day one and asks Trump for help in forming a UK version of ICE.

We'd perhaps risk action being taken against us by the EU who'd be desperate for us to 'fall in line' and maybe we'd risk a war with the continent (I hope not, but as a way of ending the EU I'm not against blasting their Tower of Babel to the ground if that is what it takes). We'd need to reopen the Rwanda deal or threaten migrants and their backers with a one way trip to Russia.

2) I get that many people have heard the message before, but it's only ever come from the establishment parties. Reform UK is new territory and never before has a minor party outperformed the governing party so soon after the last General Election. It is up to people to trust in Nigel, or not, and whilst I've spelt out my reasons for backing him and giving him a chance I accept and respect those who are saying 'no, he's not going to be what I want.'

3) Reform UK can't and won't do a 'Hitch Hikers' i.e. 'everything everywhere all at once' - we will have to get our policies right and ensure that they can not only clear Parliament but also the Courts. Do not forget that every bit of legislation passed by Reform UK will be challenged in the Lords and/or the 'Gina Miller wannabes' and we have to ensure that if we pass a bill to say 'no migrants' that a) the Courts will accept it b) the Lords will pass it and c) it won't be blocked by HM King Charles III or the future King William V. Whilst it's unlikely that the Royals will veto Nigel at every point (even if they don't like the laws, if it is what Parliament and the People want they will have to pass it or there will be a Constitutional Crisis) the Courts and Lords are trickier to overcome.

Once, however, Reform UK can get bills through and the protests and challenges start to wane then it will hopefully be plain sailing as the opposition parties will not be able to block the bills and should Reform UK have an outright majority with all MP's obeying the three line whip then the changes we want will be able to come about. I personally hope UK ICE or ICE UK becomes a thing.

We also have to allow those who don't want to be here to leave and go back home - this is the migrant story you aren't being told by the BBC, and sadly not even by GB News to any great extent; there are people here who have been kidnapped and smuggled into the country (mainly women) to work as sex slaves. These women want to go home, they don't want to stay, but Dianne Abbott and the rest of the sick bastards who don't want to listen to their plight, regardless of their skin colour, will not let them.

One thing to keep a watch on is the number of Muslims in areas where rubbish isn't being collected (not just Birmingham but Manchester, Cardiff, Leeds and London) who are now coming down with major respiratory and aortic issues due to zoonotic illnesses and sepsis merging with the spike proteins of the Covid 19 virus and forming a far more deadly pathogen. We've had a cold and wet winter, which has helped kill off some of the bug, but as we're due to have a mild Spring, if this thing mutates it could cause big health issues for Asians and Blacks specifically but also for White people who've had compromised immune systems since Covid-19 first came along. If this mutation kills in the MILLIONS then it could wipe out entire demographs of Asians and Blacks in one foul swoop.
 
Ages ago I mentioned that both the Labour party and the Tory party had major issues because they each had major splits in their party. Labour had all the Green type Pally lovers AND blue Tories and somehow they were meant to coexist and function without friction. Similarly you had the Tories which had a combo of hard right Tories and populist red Tories who wanted to go to the centre as much as possible.

Now we've seen both of those parties fragment and it's beautiful. Tories look to be completely dead with Reform swallowing them up, meanwhile Labour look like they might be dead with the entire student left retards joining the Green party and the Muzzies wanting Your Party. Reform are the only relatively 'right' party going up against Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP and YP which are going to cannibalise each others votes.

I genuinely think Reform are going to end up with 350+ MPs and we could have a situation where the fucking GREENS are the opposition.
 
Something a little bit intellectual to thunk about. @Made In Wales can even join in with this one.

Why are Reform so popular?
What has changed that has meant the solid institutions of Labour and Conservative are no longer effective?
The short answer is that they shat on their own voterbase by betraying what they stood for

Labour was the working mans party
Conservative was the business owners party

Labour now hates the working man with a passion
Conservatives fucked local business owners harder than the 2000's financial crisis that got them elected ever did

Add in both parties forever kicking the can down the road and never actually doing anything to put out the fires they get elected to solve, it's no surprise that the general population is no longer showing up on voting day and are looking for alternatives. For all Reforms faults they at the very least pretend to give a shit about the current issues and don't hold the common voter with disdain (Labour) or Indifference (Tory). LibDems will never see power ever again after the student tuition fiasco and the other contenders are Labour but Green and Labour but Scottish.

So your options are to vote for people hate you and won't fix anything or vote for people that may or may not hate you and probably won't fix anything. Not much of a choice, but it's what we have for now. If there's ever a new way, I'll be the first in line.
 
Ages ago I mentioned that both the Labour party and the Tory party had major issues because they each had major splits in their party. Labour had all the Green type Pally lovers AND blue Tories and somehow they were meant to coexist and function without friction. Similarly you had the Tories which had a combo of hard right Tories and populist red Tories who wanted to go to the centre as much as possible.

Now we've seen both of those parties fragment and it's beautiful. Tories look to be completely dead with Reform swallowing them up, meanwhile Labour look like they might be dead with the entire student left retards joining the Green party and the Muzzies wanting Your Party. Reform are the only relatively 'right' party going up against Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP and YP which are going to cannibalise each others votes.

I genuinely think Reform are going to end up with 350+ MPs and we could have a situation where the fucking GREENS are the opposition.
That is very much what I believe as well - Greens, Lib Dems, Plaid and the SNP forming the opposition.

It'll be chaos but also quite hilarious to see these four not agree to anything.
 
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