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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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How will this new 'British FBI' be different from the already existing 'National Crime Agency' ? As far as I know, they already serve this function.
The difference is they made it today and it's new. Also, I suspect they don't actually realise the NCA exists.

Real answer: competing organisations that fulfill the same function means the people that staff them are too busy fighting for the same pool of resources to think about overthrowing the state.
 
Police responses in 15 minutes max and 20 if rural
What is this 'police response' thing? What does that mean? Never heard of that before. Is that some new thing where if you ask them a question on bluesky they'll respond to you with the like button or something? Don't get it.

In 20 seconds you can go from hearing a window breaking to dead. Let alone 20 minutes. What's the point in the police showing up when they won't do shit when they do show up and I'm probably dead by then.
Facial recognition will be rolled out across the UK and Wales from next year.
A new Police AI
Already a thing. That's not new, they just want to pretend it's new so they don't have to admit they've been using it already. Easier to convince people to trust people now that ai is only 50% hallucination instead of the 95% hallucination that it used to be when they started using this. Also for as bullshit as most of the complaints about power usage is for ai, it's a bit different when it's an entire sector suddenly relying on it when they simply used nothing before. That's going to be a pretty power hungry system. Just remind me what the national grid looked like a couple weeks ago. Wasn't it less than a megawatt off of being overloaded? I highly doubt they can build a datacentre without going over that threshold. Unless we're shipping our sensitive data off to other countries for them to process it and definitely not use it for themselves.
 
The problem with laissez-faire, invisible hand bullshit is it requires morality from a fundamentally amoral creation, the limited liability company. The primary duty of a company is to maximise returns for the shareholders and if that involved grinding up kittens they'd do it.

Much like friend Salsa above I have worked for a globomegacorp and they would absolutely still be spunking tetra ethyl lead, hexavalent chromium, asbestos etc all over the place if it hadn't been banned. Water companies have literally been dumping human shit in lakes and rivers because it's cheaper than dealing with it properly for Christ's sake.

You want laissez-faire capitalism? Do away with limited liability and legalise duelling because the only way to instill even the pretence of morality in corporate lizard folk is to force them to have their knackers on the chopping block.
Difference between the real world you describe above and the paper / computer world I work in :

I assume you've heard of corporate governance ? Shareholders' voting rights ? In theory anyone who owns shares in a company should be able to vote at the annual general meeting on these topics. If a board member consistently does things ( like gas fracking or seal clubbing ) the voters should be able to vote against his renummeration package. So in theory shareholders should be able to hold the board of a company to scrutiny over their actions.

All the Big Banks of Evil I've worked for are shit hot on this topic and are massively woke and right-on on all the environmental issues. Don't get me wrong they only vote that way for corporate optics and to avoid any potential negative publicity, but we have a whole section devoted to ESG ( Environmental and Social Governance ) - which is calculating statistics on all the companies whose shares we manage and what impact they have on the environment ( carbon emissions, etc ) and how many blacks and women they have in the board room. The irony is I'm one of the few people who can accurately do the calculations with the risk statistics and scoring, but it's widely known throughout the office I think it's bullshit.
 
All of this is absolute fantasy,
The OSA's original draft contained measures which were technologically impossible so they had to amend it just to fix that little "error". It somewhat perturbs me that younger Gen-X/older millennials display the same level of technological ignorance as seen in some boomers, and it's not a phenomena I've seen exclusively in politicians either.

Impossible task + billions of pounds in funding = implicit bribe.
I'm expecting pay increases.

@TheMan232323 Same way other websites have been implementing ID: very badly or not at all. It's an under-18s ban out the gate but considering parliament typically walks back a Lord's proposal and vice versa in some degree, I can't imagine it reaching the implementation stage intact, if it gets that far at all.
 
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If your HQ is in America and your CEO lives behind gates how does him fucking up a stream of water in rural England matter to him? If he lives locally and his wife’s in tears because everyone hates her now and she can’t play tennis any more at the local club then there’s your local feedback. Doesn’t happen any more.
Look at how upset the Labour MPs were when they got banned from local pubs over Xmas and several mentioning having bookings cancelled or having to cancel bookings due to fear of going out, and now the rates are (have?) been scaled back. Keir Starmer was rumoured (never confirmed but i believe it) to be banned from pubs in his constituency and there was that video of a landlord chasing him out his pub. Local feedback is crucial.
 
Interesting discussion the last couple of pages. The way people contextualise and conceptualise their arguments... I'm not sure I can keep up with that - maybe because I'm just not high IQ enough or lack life experience (probably a bit of both). And I'm tired, and I post less and less on forums these days. I communicate less and less with people on the whole now. I'm a giver more than a taker, but like I said, I'm tired...

With that said: what we have now here in the UK is just the whole inverted totalitarian thing come about, along with all the anarcho-tyranny that goes hand in hand with it, including all the managerialism gone mad, and the ensuing apathy and confusion and double-think and cognitive-dissonance that that all brings about. We're not just living in a dystopian hell-hole borne out of Orwell's and Huxley's dreams and nightmares, but we've got a good dose of Kafka thrown in to the mix too, just to spice it up a little.

What we have here now, is all but in name a fucking banana republic. We are inherently corrupt from root to branch, it's just that the whole thing is so fucking ingrained and in your face and hiding in plain sight that it has become normalised. It's at a level of sophistication the commies could only ever dream about. Sure there's the propaganda that's meant to humiliate you by drawing you in to the lie (interesting what someone was saying about Havel the other day and 'living your truth', was it?). But there's also far more multi-layered and finessed levels of not just propaganda but good old fashioned mind control. Are they the same thing? I mean, the news might not tell you what to think, but it can sure tell you what to think about.

Everyone can feel it. You can see it etched on people's faces. If you only realised just how bad it is. As if they were the only ones feeling it, because in their little world they are, because normal people don't really communicate these things. I mean, some might, but most people know that others will just think you bat shit crazy if you delve in to the depths of any of this.

Then there's the class divide. The education divide. The life experience divide. Vested interests and conflicts of interests to maintain the status quo. Look at Farage. I mean, I keep out of politics. I've said it before, no need to go in to it again. I admire your optimism to even entertain the fact that voting can make a difference. I realise the paradox in wasting your vote as well - I am not unaware. But learn to embrace the paradox, I guess.

Most people posting on this forum and certainly in this thread are a cut above what the man on the Clapham Omnibus might be able to express, let alone conceptualise, let alone even ever be able to contextualise. Life experience again, not just IQ, and Class, divides us. Poverty of experience...

But yet we have so much in common. We all feel it. Let alone if we can express it or even explain it to ourselves, but we know something is deeply wrong with our society. I mean, how can you teach your kids to be honest, when they are made to participate in the lie every day. When the parents are forced to participate in the lie every day. Practically each and every one of us now by this point. The give-a-fuck-o'meter is running on empty for most people, yet others are chomping at the bit for the things to get started that need to get started if real change is to come about. Because these people will not relinquish their power. And like that old punk adage: Power is nothing without Control - they would control us as much as they possibly can. What to do?

Psy-ops every fucking day. On the news, in the papers. On MY internet! You just can't escape it. ID cards this, porn pass that. Yeah. All of it a sheer impossibility; due to factors like, ooh, these people couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery not to mention the fact that the infrastructure needed just isn't there and there just aren't the resources needed to build that infrastructure. We are the laughing stock of the world. Say what you like about the fucking chinks but they know how to build a nuclear power station or lay a few thousand miles of railway track every year. How many miles now has that boondoggle laid down? HS2? In how many years? And how much more fraud and willful incompetence yet to come? Rhetorical questions.

It's all very well blaming the fucking niggers and the kikes, and they do need to take a portion of the blame, but it was the world that was brought about for them, for them to do their very thing, for them not to just survive, but thrive. They are the symptom not the disease. They are a symptom of the disease. The apathy and depression that so many feel on one end of the spectrum, counter-balanced by the murderous rage and desire for RWDS on the other end of it, are again, symptoms of a mind trying to regain control, find balance, gain some kind of equilibrium in a world where we have all been thrown to the wolves in one way or another, and some of us much more than others. Live on a sink estate just outside Croydon? What about a crumbling tenement just outside Glasgow? How about the forgotten shanty towns in and around Swansea? What hope have you got? No wonder drugs rule the day. No wonder people want immediate escape.

The whole drugs thing has ruined this country. And I'm not talking a few fucking stoner hippies getting hopped up on mary jane. Though that is an insidious drug and a stealer of time, no doubt. But the whole hierarchy of the whole drug empire thing - glamorised on TV and in films - is where the damage is done. From the inherently corrupt politicians that allow it to go on to the bent coppers that actively participate in it by policing or not policing, depending... never mind the good old ultra violence by the drug dealing thugs themselves, sunning themselves tax free in Dubai, all the way down to what some have been talking about here, the decimation of the high street through obvious money laundering schemes.

They want the high street decimated. They want the corner shops gone. They want you buying your food online. They don't want you nipping out to the chippy or the pub for a meal (and possibly socialising with other humans), they want you isolated in doors having it delivered by a fucking street-shitting paki. They want you wanking your brains out to degenerate tranny porn. They want you isolated and alone. In mind, body and spirit. And they think it's funny. I fucking hate them, as a quick aside. Both the people that brought this about and the symptoms of the disease and scourge they have unleashed upon us. I rarely go out of the house, for several different reasons I won't go in to. But when I do go out say every few months, the whole fucking world has changed, and not for the better.

People talk about accelerationism. Well, that's all very well and good. Because accelerationism is what we have got. But not brought about by any tactics or strategies from us, but by them! Because that's all there is in this life: Us and Them. And for 'them' everything is in its place and everything is going according to plan. None of this is by accident, it is ALL by design.

But it's a lot to take in isn't it. It really gets you thinking doesn't it. It really activates those almonds and gets the old noggin' joggin'. Really makes you think. But some people don't want to think, so they distract themselves with bread and circuses (getting fat and binge-watching netflix and reality tv), and if that doesn't work for them, there's always booze, or weed, or pick your poison. If it's coke you better make sure you can afford it, and if you can't afford it you can always start dealing it. Never get high on your own supply said Tony Montana, but look how he ended up! Drugs destroy communities. They destroy lives. A couple of pints down the pub with a few mates is one of life's great pleasures, a good old large skin blue rizzla stacked full of northern lights listening to some music, ditto. Hell, if your heart can hold out maybe the odd line of toot and a quick ecstasy when you're going out raving might enhance the experience, be a rite of passage. Just don't over do it. And just because you don't want to do it doesn't mean that no one else should not be allowed to do it.

Because what a sad society we live in. We don't really have any rites of passage any more. We don't really break bread amongst ourselves. There is little to no community or communion left now. The Church is an outmoded relic and those that turn to Christianity to own the muzzies, well, let's just say I think it's important one does the right thing for the right reasons, and I'm not sure about that. I have God. I wish more people did.

This septic isle. Not content with outpricing any kind of experience where you might be able to go and break some bread with a few mates, now they are just shutting the pubs down, the clubs too. Even if you did want to have a toot and a quick mitsubishi while you rip your top off and get your tits out while you teeny-bop away to 'untse-untse-untse-untse' well, just make sure you do it soon because in a few more years, you just won't be able to. There are already laws against 'repetive beats', and you never know with anarcho-tyranny, they might just start enforcing them.

They're trying to build a prison, for you and me. And they are doing it everywhere. Identity politics is bullshit. Left and right is bullshit. It's us vs them. Those who have power, and those that don't. There are predators, and there are prey. Having power means never having to say you are sorry. It means never having to take responsibility. Never apologise, never explain.

Still, just like all men are equal but some are more equal than others, some places are just shit, but some places are even shittier than the others. I used to enjoy going places in France and Germany and Belgium and even Holland and meeting up with people from all over the world and breaking bread, in the sun, nothing more than a few choice beers and being high on life and good company and conversation. Very few people even get to have that kind of richness of experience in this fucking country - they don't even know that kind of thing exists. And why should they? They've never been taught to do it, they've never been able to afford to do it most of them, but never in their most wildest philosophies did they think it possible...

And so this is it, it would seem. As society winds down and Europe especially starts to de-industrialise, it's only going to be more of the same. But worse. Just like going broke: slowly at first, then very quickly indeed. We're just at the slowly stage, but there's only one way we fall off this cliff. The sum total of man's ingenuity and hard work, for what? This? It could have all been so different. But we're at the last chapters of this particular book. A new book will be written, of course, just as it ever was thus and ever will be again.

And the center can not hold...
Houses rise and fall...
Look on my works, ye mighty...
The Tao that can be spoken is not the real Tao...

Somebody astutely observed earlier that the time is ripe for any half-competent political party to swoop right in and Vulture like snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. But no, that will not be allowed. That would be highly illegal. Somehow. The way this whole Reform thing has been set up has truly sickened me to the pit of my being. And that is as someone who is very 'unpolitical' in that sense. Who doesn't 'follow' politics, in any sense of the phrase. But I know a ruse when I come across one.

People hate on the puppets Starmer and Trump. They might even think they know who pulls the puppet's strings. But I'd wager the truth is far darker than even we can imagine, or dare to imagine. I like Trump. Sure, he's a bit of a cunt, but so is Putin, and I can't help liking him a little bit either. I guess you need a modicum of charisma to play politics. What did Zappa say?

Politics is show business for ugly people.

And just like Zappa also said, when the time comes and it is right and it is no longer profitable to keep up the pretence, well, then we shall see the curtains in the whole theatre part ways, because there is no purpose any more to participate in the charade. And that is when things get really 'interesting'.

And no one can say we don't live in interesting times.

Hell, if Corbyn got his fucking shit together, I'd get out of bed to vote for him! A chicken in every pot and an ice-pick in every trot, has a certain poetry to it, but I'm willing to make an exception just for the sheer comedy value of it. Not as funny as Farage actually becoming PM though, granted. But let's face it, that is never going to happen, was never going to happen.

It will be interesting to see how MiW wriggles out of this little development. But I respect the courage of his convictions, none the less, as a counterpoint to my dark and detached lonely little old heart.

I don't have any answers. And the answers I do have, well, you know, they aren't for polite company, shall we say. Just stock up on canned goods and water, get good with God if you can, and hold on to your hats, coz one way or another it's going to get hairy.

Followers of chaos, out of control.
 
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isn't it something like all our food is on the motorway and not in storage?
That would explain a few things, I work in a food factory and I'm often having to handle frozen chicken and we're consistantly finding pallets where the boxes have clearly thawed and refroze at some point which effectively fuses them together and makes them unusable, not to mention the smell of it thanks to the freezerburn. If you're looking for products to avoid based on this info then it's pretty much all of the fried chicken snacks you'll find at any supermarket, and I do mean all of them.
 
Yeah, the grid was less than a megawatt from collapse. I don't think they even realize how taxing this is on the system, not only power-wise but staff-wise. I saw something years ago that in China, there were about 100,000 people alone manning CCTV cameras. On top of this, you need to scrap the green stuff. The reason why China does not do it is because of its surveillance wing, which saps megawatts from the grid daily.

Sorry if I am repeating myself, but I am genuinely floored because this clearly has not even gone to researchers.

As for the VPN issues, well, congrats to Starmer because a lot of VPNs will simply pull out of the country for support. The IT sector in the UK is quite large, so good job losing a ton of investment areas. A few military companies in my area are leaving, and they make high millions, and billions.
 
What we have here now, is all but in name a fucking banana republic.
It's true. We are Argentina, circa 1980. Our middle class is disappearing, our military is a joke, our wealth is gone, and we're living in the ruins of a bygone age. The thing is, in a situation like that, people will cling to whatever meagre scraps they have left for years, for decades, if it means they can pretend that everything is fine and they aren't living in an economic nightmare. It's hard to articulate what I'm getting at when I say this; I've spent time in south america. IN countries that utterly collapsed, where the rich and poor live in entirely separate worlds that are difficult to imagine for us in the west, but where they expend endless social capital convincing themselves that it's entirely normal for their "palatial" 4 bedroom house on a nice paved road, with live-in servants, to be cheek-by-jowel with tin-roof slums on dirt tracks, within spitting distance of the city centre.

Buenos Aires when I visited then is like London now. A pretence of wealth. Clean streets where the tourists visited, but god help you if you strayed into the suburbs or outside the well-trodden urban core. A beautiful city; New York with Spanish characteristics (and a railway built by the Welsh and the LNER), with all the architectural flourishes of a rich and historic past, but everything was worn down, worn out, and tired.

People know it, but can't articulate it. They're protesting, but not quite organised. I don't know how long it'll be before they decide to drop the pretence.

All we need is someone contesting a strategic island territory we think is ours and oh look the Americans want the Chagos Islands. Pottery.

edit: Jesus christ, that was a rant. I need to stop drinking rum.
 
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So Shabana Mamad has put in a proposal to the police

  • Facial recognition will be rolled out across the UK and Wales from next year.
  • 43 police forces cut down to 12 "mega forces."
  • A British FBI called the National Police Service
  • Police responses in 15 minutes max and 20 if rural
  • All police officers will need a loicense to practice
  • A head honcho to lead all the Police
  • A new Police AI
  • A new national forensics authority
  • Police governance will go through to mayors - CORRUPT AS FUCK!!! The CCP does a similar thing to this, and it turns cities into territories.
All of this is absolute fantasy, and this will cost billions, on a Police force that is being cut. This is the fantasy of someone scared of being thrown through a window. There are 7.5 million security cameras in the UK. Yet the MET has a crimes solved rate of 0%. The UK does not have the staffing or the electrical capacity alone; it can barely handle a fucking storm at this point.
All pure theatre, half of all crime is committed by serial offenders who are known to the police and make up less than 10% of criminals you could cut crime in half in a single year by actually imprisoning people. We have a system that can't handle the known knowns or the unknown knowns and they want to make it a priority to tackle the unkown unkowns.
 

And then his Afghan housemate raped her too.

The court heard Malik, who told housemates he was smuggled into Britain in the boot of a car, then dragged her to a tree by her hair before carrying out his own sex attack.
In court Malik was asked why he took advantage of the victim, and replied: 'What else was I supposed to do?'


Behave like a human being, or get lynched, perhaps?

I can’t archive it, both the sites I use are down for me:
The judge who prevented the immigration status being revealed is called Nirmal shah.
 

And then his Afghan housemate raped her too.

The court heard Malik, who told housemates he was smuggled into Britain in the boot of a car, then dragged her to a tree by her hair before carrying out his own sex attack.
In court Malik was asked why he took advantage of the victim, and replied: 'What else was I supposed to do?'


Behave like a human being, or get lynched, perhaps?

I can’t archive it, both the sites I use are down for me:
The judge who prevented the immigration status being revealed is called Nirmal shah.
Like Izzat for Indians, Muslims have something called "Ummah" where they have to by religious law work together to reduce harm to their own kind. There's a reason politicians go to mosques, why they put large portions of muslims together in the same areas. They can strike deals or even have mosque leaders stand for election, they are bound by their religion to vote as a collective. They will lie to your face about how no this is actually "progressive" because they know western people have become far too soft and accepting, the thing is lying to further Islam is part of their religion too.
Ummah vests sovereignty from God, not people or their representatives, they're not voting for who has their community's best interests, they vote for who is most likely to push for Sharia law. Most don't even believe in democracy as a concept, it's a tool to manipulate their local council, local MP etc. to benefit their own religious interests.
 
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Dude, Butterfingers are the shit! The closest we have to them in the UK is Starbar, but they are only a pale imitation.
The last time I was in the UK, just before I left, I went to the petrol station closest to the airport to refuel, and literally cleaned the shelf of Starbars. They are the nuts.
 
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