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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
It's obvious as hell that Sultana is trying to get arrested so she can be seen as a martyr and doesn't have to deal with the Your Party financial situation fallout. I don't think she's grasped that instead of helping her cause, Your Party would use that as an excuse to boot her from the party and she'd be politically marooned and facing potential terrorism charges.
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I honestly hope she gets gang raped by Afghans.
 
Morethanabitfoolish said:
@Otterly - new "consent" metaphor dropped, it's now "informed assent."
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Yup this is the law already. Allow me to explain how trial consent works:
-informed consent is key and the rules are very clear and outlined in the ICH GCP documentation (despite the little oopsie with Covid!)
- if you’re of sound mind and an adult and not classed as vulnerable, you CONSENT. This means a full consent form and discussion process took place during which you were informed of the risks etc.
-anyone underage or vulnerable (demented, mentally handicapped, mentally unwrll past a point and some wards of state) ASSENTS and they must also have a legally acceptable guardian who consents. The assent form must be as tailored as you can give written in a style that is tailored to the patient group. So an assent form for a six year old would be language they understand, short sentences etc.
-all forms must be approved by the main regulatory body in the country (MHRA here) and also the ethics review boards of the institution conducting the study at the site.
So say your child goes to hospital with a fractured arm and they have a fun new type of cast they are trialling they would speak to you both, give you the forms to review and made sure everything was understood, and you’d had time to take it in. The child would sign the assent, and you the consent. If either of you don’t, it doesn’t happen. For a lot of stuff BOTH parents must also consent
There are rules upon rules for all this stuff, and I deal with it daily - I’ve had a week of meetings over the phrasing of sentences in the past, it’s that autistic.
And yet suddenly when it’s Covid or mutilating children it all gets waved through.
 
Gorillion others said:
What coherent plan? This twat is going to willingly whore out his own daughter to some jeet or goatfucker before anyone gets the bright idea of just stringing his ass up a flagpole in nothing but his knickers.
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Not Keir's plan, Labour's. At this stage they are all working to, "fuck it, grab what you can while destroying everything." There's a chance some of them might decide there's a path forwards for Labour despite everything at which point if they can get enough motion behind it then he might be ousted.

Until then he will remain in the driver's seat because no-one really wants to take over while he's mowing down pedestrians.
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Yup this is the law already.
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Shows my ignorance.
 
Morethanabitfoolish said:
Shows my ignorance.
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Not at all. This is niche stuff you’d only know in the industry, and it’s complicated and we had entire teams dedicated to not fucking it up.
But you can see the erosion of the idea of hard boundaries - some things should simply not be done
 
Morethanabitfoolish said:
Unlike them though I can't see Keir going because his ousting isn't going to improve things. This is a party wide problem now and as such it's better for them to keep him in until there's a coherent plan.
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The plan, according to Owen Jones at least, was that Starmer would be 'caretaker' until Burnham became the PM - McSweeney gambled on Sunak 'going long' and not calling the last GE until at least the end of 2024 when it was due to be held.

Sunak got wind of McSweeney's plan, knowing that it would lock Starmer in place as PM, and went early with a July 2024 GE which caught him cold.

Now, it is Starmer who is PM and not Burnham. This means that the plan has backfired, as Starmer knew of Gray and McSweeney's plans - Gray went early on, McSweeney is proving harder to shift and also Blair now also wants Starmer gone as he is almost single-handedly destroying the party.

The new plan appears to be getting Andy Burnham to stand in Norwich South, with Clive Lewis vacating the seat, having a by-election there and hoping Burnham wins. Yet, this is extremely risky, as there is no guarantee that Norwich South would want him and the Libs-Greens could pact up to prevent him from winning. Reform UK could even win the seat (it would be difficult, not an easy seat for the party to win, but considering the gains in Scotland recently where we supposedly had 'no chance'...)

Burnham winning the seat puts pressure on Starmer with a leadership challenge, but Burnham losing the seat means a gain for one of the Lib Dems (likely), Greens (only if there's a decent candidate) or Reform UK (possible). As with Caerphilly, it would be a tight contest with perhaps a smaller winning margin for the victor. That would mean Labour losing a seat, but Starmer would be buoyed by that - yes, Labour have lost, but it sends out the message that anybody who opposes 'grand leader' won't be successful and will just be 'self-removing' themselves from the party.

Would that be enough to stop those within Labour for whom getting rid of Starmer early in 2026 is absolutely essential for the party's survival?

The problem is that trying to get rid of Starmer comes with its own further issue of the fact that he will refuse any leadership challenge and VONC - remember that, whilst it may be a risky move, only he can ask King Charles III to prorogue Parliament for a GE if he feels that is the only way of threatening compliance within the party. It's worked twice before this year, and the rebellion quelled, but after the disastrous Budget and his further drop in the polls are Labour MP's really prepared to let their idiot leader continue in office?

Starmer may think he'll be PM until the next decade, but this is simply not going to happen - much as I despise Blair and the Labour acolytes, the grandees will always win out and if Starmer really thinks that he can fight Blair and win then he really is deluded. I suspect that Starmer wants power but no responsibility, but in politics the R word is something leaders have to face up to.
 
Made In Wales said:
The plan, according to Owen Jones at least, was that Starmer would be 'caretaker' until Burnham became the PM - McSweeney gambled on Sunak 'going long' and not calling the last GE until at least the end of 2024 when it was due to be held.
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I don't think Burnham is the messiah they think he'll be. He'll get a boost in Liverpool and Manchester, but that's two places were the retards will vote Labour anyway because THATCHER STOLE OUR MILK..

Plus, the PLP absolutely despise him. There is no doubt plots against him already.
 
Personally nothing would bring me greater joy than Labour trying to get Burnham in safe Labour seats only for them to inexplicably go to Reform instead. Hell, at this point I'd even have Your Party or the fucking Greens squeeze Burnham out.

I just want Labour to realise the horror in real time that it's over and it's WHEN not IF they get booted out.
 
Green party councillor Cllr Sohail Asghar has been arrested on suspicion of modern slavery in Accrington. Charges are in bold, my emphasis, I assume they had some kind of ''maid'' who was actually a slave, as these cultures tend to do...
An East Lancashire county councillor has given up the Green Party whip because of ‘an investigation’, which is understood to be criminal
Cllr Sohail Asghar was elected to represent Accrington West and Oswaldtwistle Central division on the authority in May.
Now he has voluntarily relinquished the Green Party whip at County Hall while the investigation proceeds.
He is now sitting on Lancashire County Council as an Independent but remains part of the Progressive Lancashire Group opposition.
The Local Democracy Reporting Service (LDRS) understands from multiple sources that his decision follows his arrest by the police earlier this month.
Cllr Gina Dowding – leader of the Green group on Lancashire County Council said: “Cllr Asghar has voluntarily given up the Green Party whip because there is an investigation.
“This will remain the case until the investigation is completed.”
Hyndburn Green Party vice-chair Joan West said: “Sohail Asghar has given up the whip at County Hall for personal reasons.”
Neither would go into further details of the reasons for the self-employed private hire driver and qualified football referee’s decision.
But LDRS inquiries have discovered suggestions that Cllr Asghar to the decision to relinquish the county council whip – but not his Green Party membership – after police arrested him and two others early last month as part of an investigation into alleged ‘modern slavery’.
It has made repeated attempts to contact Cllr Asghar by phone, email and Facebook without response.
A police statement said: “We have arrested three people as part of an investigation into alleged modern slavery in Accrington.
A 29-year-old man from Accrington has been arrested on slavery, servitude and forced or compulsory labour and common assault; a 51-year-old woman from Accrington has been arrested on slavery, servitude and forced or compulsory labour; and a 55-year-old man from Accrington has been arrested on slavery, servitude and forced or compulsory labour and making threats to kill.
“The arrests were made at a property in Accrington on November 6 and all three suspects have been bailed.”
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IMHO the lower levels of Labour, councillors, 'small fry' MPs, know it's over.
 
Eekum Bokum said:
How many times do we have to tell you Americans that yes we are allowed guns. IN some cases our gun laws are less strict than America's.
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And the average British gun owner shoots more often, and to a higher standard, than the average yank gun owner. You can't argue with them on these things though, it causes them a hard reset when they hear that Fox News isn't entirely accurate.
 
Otterly said:
Yup this is the law already. Allow me to explain how trial consent works:
-informed consent is key and the rules are very clear and outlined in the ICH GCP documentation (despite the little oopsie with Covid!)
- if you’re of sound mind and an adult and not classed as vulnerable, you CONSENT. This means a full consent form and discussion process took place during which you were informed of the risks etc.
-anyone underage or vulnerable (demented, mentally handicapped, mentally unwrll past a point and some wards of state) ASSENTS and they must also have a legally acceptable guardian who consents. The assent form must be as tailored as you can give written in a style that is tailored to the patient group. So an assent form for a six year old would be language they understand, short sentences etc.
-all forms must be approved by the main regulatory body in the country (MHRA here) and also the ethics review boards of the institution conducting the study at the site.
So say your child goes to hospital with a fractured arm and they have a fun new type of cast they are trialling they would speak to you both, give you the forms to review and made sure everything was understood, and you’d had time to take it in. The child would sign the assent, and you the consent. If either of you don’t, it doesn’t happen. For a lot of stuff BOTH parents must also consent
There are rules upon rules for all this stuff, and I deal with it daily - I’ve had a week of meetings over the phrasing of sentences in the past, it’s that autistic.
And yet suddenly when it’s Covid or mutilating children it all gets waved through.
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Heard the same from colleagues. They're all very much bewildered that covid garbage and child mutilation gets a free pass through while they drown in paperwork to get anything, even non-human but still animal-involved research, approved.

Made In Wales said:
The new plan appears to be getting Andy Burnham to stand in Norwich South, with Clive Lewis vacating the seat, having a by-election there and hoping Burnham wins. Yet, this is extremely risky, as there is no guarantee that Norwich South would want him and the Libs-Greens could pact up to prevent him from winning. Reform UK could even win the seat (it would be difficult, not an easy seat for the party to win, but considering the gains in Scotland recently where we supposedly had 'no chance'...)
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Oh, I know a couple lads originally from around that area! They were talking about the Clive Lewis thing a few weeks back. Reform will have a very tough chance to win, but current polling suggests it'll likely fall to Green with Reform in second (it's the constituency the local university, UEA, is in, so it is bloated with students for voters) even if Clive sticks there rather than handing it to Burnham.
I don't seen Burnham winning Norwich South if he goes there. The students already are firmly Green over the Palestine stuff (I've heard over there there's plenty of jew hating and even graffiti and statements stating Starmer should die) with some going to Reform. The non-students are firmly Reform, East Anglia is historically one of the most right wing parts of the country with plenty of old BNP/NF types around there. The fact that Burnham isn't at all there for the sake of the constituency and someone from DA NORF won't sit well with those of DA SOUF either. Labour as a party is quite toxic of a name now to attach yourself to, even when Norwich South has always been a red dot in the sea of blue in East Anglia.

To note on the gun ownership talk: Certain regions are quite gun friendly, East Anglia being the big one in that regard (as we're on the topic, it's a farmer+rich cunt region). There's some interesting oddities in our law, such as no calibre limits on bolt actions last I checked (presumably so you can get big game rifles, but I don't think this restricts anything AP either). Historical arms can be grandfathered with full function if deactivation would wreck the value (which it always does) or if it's an outdated ammo type.
The reason why people here shoot often and to a high standard is because to get a license and keep it you need to be part of a gun club and shoot regularly, it's part of your license review. You're obligated to go to the range regularly because it gives reason to own according to government eyes. It's a nice thing to do on a good weekend, just sit in a designated set of woods/fields with friends shooting shit (paper or clay usually) while shooting the shit.
 
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David Walliams turning out to be a bit of a wrongun

I'm not surprised but i will say i'm quite shocked its adult women and not little boys he's being weird around
 
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Best-selling children's author and comedian David Walliams has been dropped by his publisher HarperCollins UK, the company has said.
A spokesman for the publisher said: "After careful consideration, and under the leadership of its new CEO, HarperCollins UK has decided not to publish any new titles by David Walliams."
The Telegraph reported that the decision was made after an investigation into allegations of inappropriate behaviour towards young women.
A spokesperson for Walliams said he "strongly denies" allegations of inappropriate behaviour.
"David has never been informed of any allegations raised against him by HarperCollins. He was not party to any investigation or given any opportunity to answer questions. David strongly denies that he has behaved inappropriately and is taking legal advice."
HarperCollins did not confirm the reasons for its decision, adding: "We do not comment on internal matters."
Walliams is one of the UK's most successful children's authors, having sold more than 60 million copies worldwide in 55 languages.
HarperCollins published his first children's book, The Boy in the Dress, in 2008.
Some of his books, including Gangsta Granny and Billionaire Boy, have also been adapted into television films.
He has published more than 40 books in total, including a Christmas book titled Santa & Son, which was published by HarperCollins in October.
He first rose to fame on TV sketch series Little Britain and has also won National Television Awards for his work as a judge on Britain's Got Talent.
He was made an OBE in 2017 for his services to charity and the arts.
But he has faced controversies including being criticised after appearing to make two Nazi salutes during a recording of BBC comedy panel show Would I Lie To You? this summer.
In 2022, he apologised and admitted making "disrespectful comments" about two Britain's Got Talent contestants during a break in filming.
He left the programme that year and sued the production company over the leaking of the remarks, reaching a settlement with them in 2023.
HarperCollins UK appointed Kate Elton as its new chief executive in October.
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Students don't pay council tax when at uni so should only be able to vote at their home constituencies. Though if I had my way they wouldn't be allowed to vote at all.
 
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