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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Snekposter said:
Have you not been keeping up with the Ofcom shit in the slightest? Everyone else would have gotten the fucking hint by now, even the Chinese, but the English somehow think they can make the USA take things off the Internet for them by simply screeching at us and threatening us with fines they have no ability to make us pay.
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Can you explain the difference between this behaviour and the behaviour of your elected dictator in chief ?

"but the Donald ( and by extension dumb Americans ) somehow think they can make the BBC take things off the Internet for them by simply screeching at us and threatening us with fines they have no ability to make us pay."

I'm no fan of the BBC, but can you not see how you seem to be fine with your original thought, but your leader is having a hissy fit over the lies and propaganda the BBC put out and is demanding compensation ?

A-Logato said:
Can't have a truck of peace if there's barely any Christmas markets even happening. I even went to one of the few that were even going on and there were armed security everywhere, "Merkel blocks" at the end of every street and the place had an uneasy feeling as a whole.
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Sadly, this means the terrorists have won.
Much that once was is lost.....
.......But there were some who resisted.
Deus Vult.
 
There's something really really funny about how the press are insistant on trying to push the Farage schoolboy shit from 50 years ago when less than a YEAR ago, Kier Starmer did his 'island of strangers' tweet which, had it been posted by Farage would have been the thing that tied him to Enoch Powell.
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
There's something really really funny about how the press are insistant on trying to push the Farage schoolboy shit from 50 years ago when less than a YEAR ago, Kier Starmer did his 'island of strangers' tweet which, had it been posted by Farage would have been the thing that tied him to Enoch Powell.
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Everyone I know says "shit, I said worse at school." This is the most retarded attack every and is actually getting sympathy for Farage.
 
FedPostalService said:
Everyone I know says "shit, I said worse at school." This is the most retarded attack every and is actually getting sympathy for Farage.
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I think the black 9 year old boy thing is hilarious in how unlikely it is, like that's so cartoonishly evil it'd be like saying Farage spent his Summer holidays catching stray kittens and bashing them in the head with a hammer.
 
EddyRooney said:
Can you explain the difference between this behaviour and the behaviour of your elected dictator in chief ?

"but the Donald ( and by extension dumb Americans ) somehow think they can make the BBC take things off the Internet for them by simply screeching at us and threatening us with fines they have no ability to make us pay."

I'm no fan of the BBC, but can you not see how you seem to be fine with your original thought, but your leader is having a hissy fit over the lies and propaganda the BBC put out and is demanding compensation ?
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Yeah there's this thing called defamation, and someone can sue in a civil court of law if they feel they have been legally defamed. (Guess what the UK has this too, and your rules are easier on the plaintiff than here btw.) If the court determines the case meets the high bar for defamation so it can proceed, and the trial results in conviction, yes the court can levy damages. Since the BBC is a registered corporation in the United States for the purpose of its American operations, and has funds in US banks, guess what US courts do have the ability to make the BBC pay. If successful Dromuld could also file a contractual debt lawsuit in UK courts to attempt collection of damages from BBC funds held in UK banks. Dromuld Blermpf is not imposing a fine as US president, he is suing as private citizen Dromuld Blermpf. The US Department of Justice and federal government as a whole has no involvement in the case. Dromuld Blermpf is paying private lawyers to present his case in civil court. Saying this and the UK government's censorship regime are similar is ignorant, wrong, and dumb
 
News time.

Eurovision dropping its "no politics" rules so people can fly Palestine flags and boo Israel. In typical lies by omission the Independent quotes Hamas figures about deaths as fact.

The Austrian public broadcaster ORF, host of the upcoming Eurovision Song Contest, has confirmed it will not prohibit the Palestinian flag from the audience nor will it censor any booing directed at Israel’s performance.
This decision, announced on Tuesday by organisers, marks a departure from previous events where such expressions were reportedly suppressed.
The 70th edition of the popular music contest, scheduled for May, faces significant diplomatic tension, with only 35 entries – the smallest number of participants since 2003.


This reduction follows the withdrawal of five national broadcasters, including those from Spain, Ireland, and the Netherlands, who are boycotting the show in protest at Israel’s involvement.
These boycotting nations argue that participation would be "unconscionable" given the civilian casualties in Gaza, stemming from Israel's response to the 7 October 2023 attack by Hamas.
Addressing the controversy, the show’s executive producer, Michael Kroen, stated at an ORF-organised news conference: "We will allow all official flags that exist in the world, if they comply with the law and are in a certain form - size, security risks, etc."

Israeli singer Yuval Raphael representing Israel with the song ‘New Day Will Rise’ parades during the flag ceremony prior to the grand final of the Eurovision Song Contest 2025 (AFP via Getty Images)
He further emphasised the broadcaster's commitment to transparency, adding: " ... we will not sugarcoat anything or avoid showing what is happening, because our task is to show things as they are."
Stefanie Groiss-Horowitz, ORF’s director of programming, confirmed that the sound of any booing from the crowd would not be drowned out, a practice observed during Israel's performance in this year's contest.

"We won't play artificial applause over it at any point," she said.
Israel's 2025 entrant, Yuval Raphael, was at the Nova music festival that was a target of the Hamas-led attack. The CEO of Israeli broadcaster KAN had likened the efforts to exclude Israel in 2026 to a form of "cultural boycott".

The 70th edition of the popular music contest, scheduled for May, faces significant diplomatic tension, with only 35 entries – the smallest number of participants since 2003 (Associated Press)
ORF and the Austrian government were among the biggest supporters of Israel participating over the objections of countries including Iceland and Slovenia, which will also boycott the next contest in protest. ORF Director General Roland Weissmann visited Israel in November to show his support.

Nemo, the non-binary Swiss singer who won the 2024 contest with “The Code”, announced they would return their winner’s trophy in protest of Israel’s participation.
This year's show drew around 166 million viewers, according to the European Broadcasting Union, more than the roughly 128 million who Nielsen estimates watched the Super Bowl.
The war in Gaza began after Hamas-led militants killed 1,200 people, most of them civilians, and seized 251 hostages in an attack on southern Israel. Israel's retaliatory offensive has killed more than 70,700 Palestinians, most of them civilians, health officials in Gaza say.
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Blasphemy laws for one religion only still being worked on
The government is considering a draft definition of anti-Muslim hatred which does not include the term "Islamophobia".
The BBC has seen the form of words from the Islamophobia/Anti-Muslim hatred working group, which the government has taken to stakeholders for consultation.
Free speech campaigners have expressed concerns that protections for "Islamophobia" would mean it would not be possible to criticise the religion itself.
Members of the working group argue the definition protects individuals while avoiding overreach.
A working group was established in February to provide the government with a working definition of anti-Muslim hatred/Islamophobia.
They submitted their proposal to the government in October.
The definition will be non-statutory, meaning it is not set in law or legally binding, but will provide a form of words public bodies can adopt.
It provides guidance to the government and other bodies on what constitutes unacceptable treatment of Muslims, aiming to help them better understand and quantify prejudice and hate crimes against this group.
The draft definition is: "Anti-Muslim hostility is engaging in or encouraging criminal acts, including acts of violence, vandalism of property, and harassment and intimidation whether physical, verbal, written or electronically communicated, which is directed at Muslims or those perceived to be Muslims because of their religion, ethnicity or appearance.
"It is also the prejudicial stereotyping and racialisation of Muslims, as part of a collective group with set characteristics, to stir up hatred against them, irrespective of their actual opinions, beliefs or actions as individuals.
"It is engaging in prohibited discrimination where the relevant conduct – including the creation or use of practices and biases within institutions - is intended to disadvantage Muslims in public and economic life."
The working group met last week to consider changes from the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government.
The BBC understands one area of debate is around the use of the word "racialisation" in the definition.
Baroness Gohir, who sits on the working group, said their submission achieves "the right balance" by "safeguarding individuals while avoiding overreach".
"The definition also recognises that Muslims are frequently targeted not only for their beliefs but also because of their appearance, race, ethnicity, or other characteristics," she said.
"Including the element of racialisation validates these lived experiences."

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The Free Speech Union is concerned that any definition of anti-Muslim hatred could infringe on free speech and possibly introduce a blasphemy law through the back door.
Conservative peer Lord Toby Young, the campaign group's director, said: "The definition is unnecessary because it's already a criminal offence to stir up religious hatred and unlawful for employers or service providers to discriminate against people on the basis of their religion or belief.
"Granting Muslims additional protections not extended to people of other faiths will have the effect of increasing anti-Muslim hostility, not reducing it."
Former Attorney General Dominic Grieve, who chairs the working group, is adamant the form of words does not remove the right to free speech.
Mr Grieve said: "The review done by the working group is within a framework that makes it clear that no definition of anti-Muslim hatred should have an adverse impact on freedom of expression under law including the right to criticise Islam and its practices.
"The working group has been mindful of this at all times in the advice it is giving to government."
A spokesperson for the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government said they do not comment on leaks.
"With all hate crime on the rise and anti-Muslim hate incidents at a record high, we are tackling hatred and extremism wherever it may occur," the spokesperson said.
"We will always defend freedom of speech, this remains at the front of our minds as we carefully consider the recommendations."
There was a 19% increase in religious hate crimes targeted at Muslims last year, with a spike after the Southport murders and riots that followed last summer, according to Home Office figures.
Labour had promised to introduce a new definition of Islamophobia, after the last Conservative government rejected a cross-party proposal in 2019.
The All-Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims had defined Islamophobia as "rooted in racism" and "a type of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness".
Critics had argued this definition was too vague and could inhibit freedom of speech.
The new draft definition being considered by the government differs from this previous proposal, which was adopted by the Labour Party in 2019 when it was in opposition.
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Labour planning to make everyone else pay for benefit claimant's TV license fees
Benefit claimants could receive free television licences under sweeping BBC reforms being considered by Lisa Nandy, the Culture Secretary.
A government review of the BBC’s Royal Charter, published on Tuesday, said that more than half of poorer households did not keep up with their payments of the licence fee, which costs £174.50 a year.
The report also noted that countries such as Germany already offered free licences or discounts to those on benefits, and that UK officials would look at “further targeted interventions, such as new concessions or payment schedules”.

The prospect of the potential handout comes as Sir Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister, faces criticism for failing to get more Britons off benefits and into work, with spending on benefits on course to hit £378bn by 2029-30.
Elsewhere in the consultation report, which comes at a time of crisis for the broadcaster, it was suggested the corporation could raise money with a “top-up subscription service” offering premium content, including repeats on iPlayer.
It also floated the idea of the BBC carrying advertisements on live television and radio, while it said another option would be to restrict advertisements to iPlayer and the BBC website.
There has been a steady decline in the number of people paying the licence fee, down from 25.2 million in 2020 to 23.8 million this year, amid mounting competition from streaming services.
The Government green paper follows the resignation of the BBC’s director-general and head of news after The Telegraph’s revelation that a Panorama documentary misled viewers by editing a speech by Donald Trump.

Currently, over-75s on pension credit receive a free licence, and those in residential care receive a discount.
There is also a 50 per cent discount for blind people or those who are severely sight-impaired.
On top of this, some 287,000 households use a “simple payment plan” that allows them to spread the cost over 12 months, but more than half do not keep up with their payments.

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The Government’s consultation said: “As we consider the future of the BBC’s funding model, we must consider how it will impact different household budgets.
“A funding system that better accounts for different household situations could help alleviate concerns relating to enforcement by reducing the risk that households are unlicensed because they are facing difficulties with affording the fee.”
The document pointed out that some other countries take household income into account when setting their licence fee.
“In Germany, for example, concessions are available to individuals who receive social benefits and to some students and people undertaking vocational training,” it said.

Nigel Huddleston, the shadow culture secretary, said: “It would be outrageous if people claiming benefits were given free TV licences while hard-working taxpayers foot the bill.
“Right now, more than six million working-age people are on benefits, more than the population of Norway, yet the Government seems determined to reward inactivity rather than encourage work.
“Under Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves, this is exactly what is happening: while businesses and wealth creators are taxed more to keep the country running, some claimants could be getting free perks they don’t need. This is completely unfair.”
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Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
I think the black 9 year old boy thing is hilarious in how unlikely it is, like that's so cartoonishly evil it'd be like saying Farage spent his Summer holidays catching stray kittens and bashing them in the head with a hammer.
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Yeah, it already fell flat to anyone who doesn't already have a burning hatred of Farage and the right as a whole. Just got met with a whole lot of "who the fuck remembers that far", "why wasn't this ever said before", "who fucking cares", "shit, I've said worse" etc.

Also about the military potentially gunning down people if shit hit the fan (was catching up, been away and only now came back home today). It wouldn't happen. The top brass love to tell Starmer that the armed forces are "for King and country, not Parliament and country".
All the boots on the ground fucking despise Starmer too, there's a reason why they occasionally discover military members involved in proscribed extreme right groups (i.e. National Front). Even if the top brass allowed Starmer's orders to open fire, the soldiers would just frag them and the fat four-eyed cunt regardless.
 
draggs said:
Yeah there's this thing called defamation, and someone can sue in a civil court of law if they feel they have been legally defamed. (Guess what the UK has this too, and your rules are easier on the plaintiff than here btw.) If the court determines the case meets the high bar for defamation so it can proceed, and the trial results in conviction, yes the court can levy damages. Since the BBC is a registered corporation in the United States for the purpose of its American operations, and has funds in US banks, guess what US courts do have the ability to make the BBC pay. If successful Dromuld could also file a contractual debt lawsuit in UK courts to attempt collection of damages from BBC funds held in UK banks. Dromuld Blermpf is not imposing a fine as US president, he is suing as private citizen Dromuld Blermpf. The US Department of Justice and federal government as a whole has no involvement in the case. Dromuld Blermpf is paying private lawyers to present his case in civil court. Saying this and the UK government's censorship regime are similar is ignorant, wrong, and dumb
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Nothing like having a retarded cunt trying to condescendingly explain something they think they know a lot about. Dunning Kruger in action.
Let's see how it plays out.
As is normally the case with dumb Americans, you have conveniently misconstrued my message ( or perhaps it is a lack of comprehension of the English language ). I'll dumb it down for you - Our government is attempting to influence what your government allows to be said online. Your President is attempting to do the same thing to our national broadcaster. There is a level of hypocrisy there a child could understand.
Now fuck off out of Greggs.
 
Coolio55 said:
Ah, so that's why they only ever have a single till half-open.
It's like they just expect you to walk out without paying now.
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Yes but unironically, absolutely everywhere is implementing "efficiency model" bullshit now, which is the cargo cult version of what German discounters do with all of the autism and none of the actual efficiency, and it suuuuuuucks.
 
BongoMongo said:
We're not doing a traditional roast this year. Tbh They're a lot of faff and nothing special.
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The tradition in our family is beef and lamb on christmas day. The turkey is there as well, for anyone who insists, but beef was good enough for grandad, so it's got to be good enough for us. Had it earlier in the month this year though. Everyone's flying out somewhere for christmas, so it's just me and the wife this year. We're probably going to have chinese. Salmon and sparkling wine on christmas day though. Some traditions remain.

We tried goose one year. It came out a third the size it went in. Tasted great, but a disappointment in the mass department. On the other hand, we had enough goose fat left over to swim the channel to France and back. Twice. Yorkshire puds made in goose fat are fucking amazing, let me tell you.
FedPostalService said:
How could they have been over here when they were building Wakanda in Egypt?
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Turns out Wakanda is a misspelling of Woking.

Which explains a lot, come to think of it.

Mound Dweller said:
Yes but unironically, absolutely everywhere is implementing "efficiency model" bullshit now, which is the cargo cult version of what German discounters do with all of the autism and none of the actual efficiency, and it suuuuuuucks.
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Never thought I'd be longing for the days when everyone was cargo culting Toyota's kanban just-in-time system...
 
The reason the NHS doesn't work is because, well, it doesn't work. At a fundamental level. It is broken and it is completely resistant to change.

If it was a private company it would go bust. Bit because it's propped up with our money, they do not care. The money keeps flowing. The ineptitude keeps happening. The sloppy shitty habits carry on.

As an employer they are useless, as a care provider they are flat out dangerous and they kill people. But we keep sniffing our farts telling ourselves it's golden because it's "free".
 
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