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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Made In Wales]

In April, when landlords are forced to go rolling monthly contracts, the rents will go sky high, forcing brits out and allowing freeloading migrants to move in. Replacement is a conspiracy theory though.

Doesn't matter who is in charge, the orders come from outside of our borders, Truss showed that. Anyone else is just a puppet for a foreign power.
Nigel will be no different.
Labours' MO is to tank the economy and then expect the next guys to fix it.

Except Farage is no part of the WEF/NWO.

That relationship ends when Starmer is gone.

Soros and co. will not be able to influence things in Reform UK, that power is removed from them once Farage is PM and power is returned to the people and also they and their needs are put first.

Can Farage fix it? Yes, he can - and better than Bob or Rodney ever could!

Speaking of Rodney the plonker...

'Head in hands': Ministers fume at No 10's self-inflicted chaos

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c874v0x91evo

https://archive.ph/e1shG

 

[BongoMongo]

Except Farage is no part of the WEF/NWO.

That relationship ends when Starmer is gone.

Soros and co. will not be able to influence things in Reform UK, that power is removed from them once Farage is PM and power is returned to the people and also they and their needs are put first.

Can Farage fix it? Yes, he can - and better than Bob or Rodney ever could!

Speaking of Rodney the plonker...

'Head in hands': Ministers fume at No 10's self-inflicted chaos

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c874v0x91evo

https://archive.ph/e1shG

He won't be allowed to fix it. He'll be taken out before the next GE.

Soros et al are shitting themselves at prospect of someone in charge they can't control . They will do anything to prevent this.

I guarantee you that, despite how much I want it personally, Reform won't get a chance because the WEF won't allow it.

 

[Duane Dibbley]

Except Farage is no part of the WEF/NWO.

That relationship ends when Starmer is gone.

Tell me you don't actually believe this?

I'll humour you and say, for arguments sake, Farage isn't a wef puppet, do you think the wef just let populations vote against them? Because they don't.

And for the Putin-sperges in the thread, separating the UK from Europe (Brexit) is part of the Russian plan of taking over the world. Who pushed that one? Farage.

Soros and co. will not be able to influence things in Reform UK, that power is removed from them once Farage is PM and power is returned to the people and also they and their needs are put first.

Reform is bought and paid for by a paki and kicked out the only member that people wanted to get behind, with ideas he put in place, with eloquence that farage only dreams of.
Enough retards will vote reform because of Lowe, not because of Farage. You'll have the odd norfFC mong with the IQ of a pan of chipfat voting for reform under the misconception that voting for him will remove the immigrants - spoiler alert, it won't.

This may sound like dooming, but this country has gotten objectively worse since ww2 and, the only time a country has improved its' lot, especially those controlled by foreign powers; in our case EU and America, is through violent revolution.

So either people take to the streets and we see a generation of mass murders, starvation and desolation, or people accept that the frog will be boiled slowly. There is no voting your way out of an invasion.

People really, really, re-ee-eeally don't understand how compromised our governments are with foreign invaders and how they have been amassing power for the better part of four decades. The elites know it, they know it's game over and they're doing the only sensible thing that any of us would do in their situation; self-preservation. To go along to get along, long enough for their life boat to be finished so they can be the first to get off this islamic-infested titanic.

You want to know what desperation looks like and what the end game is? Talk any one of our Polish friends whose parents saw the decline of the Soviet Union, first hand, from their own back garden. What was the first thing that every ex-soviet union country did when they had the chance? Got the fuck out of dodge to a safer country.

 

[Made In Wales]

He won't be allowed to fix it. He'll be taken out before the next GE.

Soros et al are shitting themselves at prospect of someone in charge they can't control . They will do anything to prevent this.

I guarantee you that, despite how much I want it personally, Reform won't get a chance because the WEF won't allow it.

Then that would be the own goal of own goals.

Killing Farage would work for the Left just as well as the killing of Charlie Kirk.

600+ seats for Reform UK - it would prove that a) violence doesn't work, b) the conspiracy theorists were right and c) the NWO only achieved instant ruin.

Let me then ask why Soros didn't have Trump killed? I mean, it would be simple enough...

Or maybe the WEF and NWO know that enough people are now clued up about them that just maybe they're scared and are looking to flee to the underground bunkers in Switzerland?

Just remember, we too can take the likes of Soros and the WEF out. There's more of us than there are them, and we too can be very sneaky.

 

[BongoMongo]

Then that would be the own goal of own goals.

Killing Farage would work for the Left just as well as the killing of Charlie Kirk.

600+ seats for Reform UK - it would prove that a) violence doesn't work, b) the conspiracy theorists were right and c) the NWO only achieved instant ruin.

Let me then ask why Soros didn't have Trump killed? I mean, it would be simple enough...

Or maybe the WEF and NWO know that enough people are now clued up about them that just maybe they're scared and are looking to flee to the underground bunkers in Switzerland?

Just remember, we too can take the likes of Soros and the WEF out. There's more of us than there are them, and we too can be very sneaky.

You really don't have any idea. They made the whole fricking world grind to a halt nearly 6 years ago and the spastics lapped it up.

So long as the pane and circe and gibs keep on coming people will not care. And that is exactly how they like it.

Covid was a test. We failed, miserably. 99% of this country is retarded niggercattle who don't give a fuck because ooohhh heart radio "turned on Christmas" and they're sporting massive boners reeing down anyone expressing dissent as a "Grinch".

 

[Duane Dibbley]

Killing Farage would work for the Left just as well as the killing of Charlie Kirk.

What's changed since Charlie Kirk died? Or Charlie Hebdo? Or 9/11? Are those who perpetrated those attacks living in worse conditions now, or are they better taken care of?
Because when you look at it objectively, violence wins, every time. Southpark did an episode on this called "200" and "201". Violence wins and the violent groups have gained more power and safety while the innocent natives have suffered through higher crime rates, reduced safety and removal of rights and freedoms under the guise of equality and security.

Let me then ask why Soros didn't have Trump killed? I mean, it would be simple enough...

The guy who is funnelling billions to Israel to continue a forever war in the middle-east? The guy who is importing millions of indians and chinks into the country at the cost of americans' education and financial security?
It's almost as if he is on their team.

 

[Overly Serious]

Looks like we're getting an old-fashioned arctic blast next week. Potentially lots of snow in the north and down the east coast. Getter get the hot water bottles and fingerless gloves ready, boys and girls.

Thanks for the heads up. Had noticed the weather changing but had missed any weather warning. Supply run in the morning and may get a little extra in case of snow.

Interesting Russian perspective on our weather, just for a change of pace:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3eMYUTKDw5s

Fun video. Nice to see ourselves from the outside sometimes. I think he nailed it with "just okay with being slightly uncomfortable". I remember countless nights out freezing in a t-shirt but it would never have made sense to me to go out wearing more. Ditto British girls, God bless 'em. I barely put the heating on in the house back then either. Why would I? Just to avoid being cold?

 

[Made In Wales]

Well, if violence wins, then I guess our side can do it as well - I mean, if a win is a win...

Respectfully, I disagree with both @Duane Dibbley and @BongoMongo

If there is no point in fighting the WEF, despite there being more of us than them and NWO idiots like Bill Gates seemingly walking back previous statements, then why the boost in support for Reform UK.

If 99% of the UK is Niggercattle, then at least the 38% of said Niggercattle who don't want the current way of life aren't complete fuckheads.

However, if you remain convinced that there is no future and we should prepare to be raped, mauled and stabbed then that is your business, gents. I'll never, even if somebody is going to 'Kirk me' give in to the forces of evil and accept that life is shit, it's going to get worse and feel sorry for myself.

You know what, maybe some people here would rather exist under evil than live under good.

That's me done, no point in explaining things further.

 

[The Crack Spiders Bitch]

That's me done, no point in explaining things further.

I think the sentiment from others is more "Don't assume Farage is going to be the force that is needed" and not so much "Let's all just give up and be raped to death by nigs".
Farage is a step in the right direction, provided he doesn't backstab for muh GDP.

Seeing how badly you all got betrayed by Boris Johnson, the skepticism is warranted re: Farage.
Similarly, Donald Trump has been a massive let-down as well.

Make sure to keep fighting and holding the line and don't let Reform get away with any backtracking or wishy-washy nonsense.

 

[Snekposter]

'Exploding Fridge'

Either a horse from The Day Today or the latest industrial punk outfit.

Exploding fridges, you say?

 

[Duane Dibbley]

Respectfully, I disagree with both @Duane Dibbley and @BongoMongo

First off, I want to say that I love your contributions, news updates, optimism and general good nature that you bring to this thread and forum and please never change. I may not share your optimism but I would sure share a pint with you as seem a top bloke, even for a sheep shagger. No Homo.

You know what, maybe some people here would rather exist under evil than live under good.

We don't want to live under evil and there is no harm in putting pen to paper and letting your voice be heard that people want change, and they do, the collective just hasn't agreed with what that change should be.
For example, those on the right locked-in to a disturbing battle over wanting conservatism and who represents that. Islam would, on paper and in theory, give back a lot of values that have been lost; no more woke, the end to feminism in society, no gays or trans etc. But who on the right wants to be ruled by a muslim?

similarly on the left. Labour only narrowly won a victory because their biggest voting block was the muslims, half of whom voted for independent parties. If the muslim vote turnout was similar to other years, Labour go from an eked victory to a comfortable one.

This is the reality of not being able to vote our way out of a problem as 'both sides' are stuffed to the gills with things we sort of want, but not really considering who is pulling the strings.

Psychologically, our country is 1000 people who have just moved to Jonestown. We are out of our comfort zone and the collective unconscious is desperately grasping at familiar ideology and ideas to get us back to known ground. Unfortunately, we're thirsty and there's only cool aid to drink.

That's me done, no point in explaining things further.

I hope not. It would be a real loss if you didn't continue your contributions.

everyone hit to show your appreciation and love for @Made In Wales

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Watch the video. You can see the peaks and dips from multiple tippers and diggers over a long period. It's primarily plastic from what I can see, which means it's a recycling firm contracted to handle the output from one or more of the local "recycling centres". They've clearly been dumping this for a long time, probably more than a year.

Recycling is going to be one of the next big scandals in a few years. The vast majority of recycled plastic is transported abroad, often to India. What isn't transported abroad ends up in warehouses, or in this case a field, where it moulders for years and is then abandoned. Very little gets re-used. The majority is burned, or ends up in landfill after a few years delay. Councils know this is happening but they ignore it, because they're all working on the "store it now and we'll find a solution later" plan. The only recycling that actually works is metals and organic waste, because they both have a profitable end product. Everything else is a waste of time.

edit: to add, the reason it looks relatively smooth is because they've driven over the top of it as they dumped. They've started at the top end, where they entered the site, and built out the pile over time in a long, even layer. There's plenty of evidence of trucks turning on the dirt and gravel at that end. Most of the gulley is hidden from the road and surrounding views by trees and the shape of the land, which is why it took so long to become visible from the river.


The rubbish will be dumped at the site entrance and then spread out, extending the pile down the gulley over time. You can just about make out the tracks of a bulldozer riding over it to spread the waste out. Like a landfill, but without any care for what happens afterwards.

Britain is becoming more and more like India. Remember the Indian mountain of trash?

 

[BongoMongo]

I mean,from what I can tell, given so many muslims are flooding here, it's pretty evident that not even they want to live in muslim run countries.

I like your point though,@Duane Dibbley , that islam holds a lot of values that the right has lost. Anti faggots, no wokery and and end to feminism are all good things. And I say the last thing as a woman, that's how bad things are.

Spoiler: Apologies, going off on one

I work solely because I can't (not won't, it's not a choice and it kills me, especially this time of year) have children. But if I could me and the Mr (who is also in the same boat, albeit because he carries a nasty genetic condition and doesn't believe in meddling with embryo selection) would have them and I'd focus solely on home making and child raising. It's a bitter irony we could afford that but we can't do it.

and I believe society would benefit if we went back to that. So many social ills are caused because we actively reward single motherhood, because of the destabilisation of a mum and dad who are married as the normal and desirable way to have and raise children and because we are denied the right to be able to raise kids on one income because an influx of human detritus is putting pressure on every. Ducking. Facet. Of life in this country.

To get back to my point though,I don't even think @Made In Wales is a sheep shagger, I think the term is unfair (and if I remember right the whole origin of that is because poaching livestock carried a death sentence but "interfering" didn't so that's where that comes from, oh no Mr Bailiff I'm not stealing this sheep to eat! I'm giving it a right good seeing to so I am!!). I really love the optimism of your posts dude. But waking up to how things work is realizing how bad it is.

I like,very much, Reforms policies. I think they're excellent (although I disagree with us needing anybody foreign coming here except the most truly exceptional medical staff, like genius level surgeons or Consultants with truly exceptional knowledge. I'd even want a ban on visiting academics because academia is a lefty riddled boil). But, all politics is controlled. I hope I'm wrong but we don't truly know what goes on, and the politics of this country is set and determined far above us and outside of this country.

It would be incredible if they were free of those shackles and enacted vast sweeping change and if they are and if they do I shall eat my words. But hope has to be based in realism. And the reality of this situation is it was determined decades back, without our consent and was decided by people who lurk in the shadows (and I'm not referring to Lord Mandelson).

 

[tack så mycket]

I’ve been reading the inquiry into the Grenfell Tower fire recently, and it’s actually horrifying just how many immigrants were housed in local authority housing. Yeah, some of the flats were bought and rented out, but the vast majority weren’t. There were far more immigrants in that tower than Brits. Why?

I heard Louise Perry talking about this in an interview recently; it's the result of a change in the way social housing was allocated that happened some time in the mid-20th century, that led to immigrants being favoured over locals. I'll see if I can find it and listen again because she mentions someone who's researched & written about it; I'll post the name of the author if I find it.

 

[Crunkle]

Do I think Farage is a WEF puppet? No.
Do I think Farage is an intentional Russian asset? Absolutely not, this is just cope. Do we just stop having elections because Putin enjoys us arguing?
Do I think he is a constant backstabber and someone who cannot be trusted as far as you can throw him? Yes.
(then again, I didn't have Trump sucking off Bill Clinton on my prediction list for 2025)

He was mostly correct in every election since 2010 about immigration and the EU and he's had the same consistency about him since 2010. Quite incredible that he was seen as a dangerous man in the past when his official position at the moment is actually rather weak in contrast to what needs to be done. I'm cautiously hopeful, but who am I fucking kidding? The moment he gets in, the same kikes that run AIPAC in the US will get their hooks in and antisemitism scanners will be installed in every new build.

Farage is a little bit different this time around, he's always been one of those people who has never wanted to wear a crown. He'll campaign and do something and then disappear for a few years which is not something that people with leadership ambitions do. In the past he expected and hoped for negative press attention (that UKIP 'Breaking Point' poster) but now he seems to have matured a bit.

Reform needs to get to a point where its head can be cut off but the body (councils, local authorities, party branches) and it doesn't make a huge difference. Tory party branches and councils have cannibalised themselves since the local elections last year. Reform supporting and being proud about the dotheads in the party is a pretty disgusting development but I can cope with that as long as they follow through with the rest of their promises.

Why isn't Rupert Lowe back in the party yet? He's one of the most prominent people in the current political discourse in the country, is wholly on the same page.

The word 'gullible' is in the Reform manifesto, apparently.

 

[Otterly]

never said make it green or profitable, I said we can do it, but we don't because it's expensive.

We’d be best off with some kind of biological breakdown fermenter. Why aren’t we researching that?

So either people take to the streets and we see a generation of mass murders, starvation and desolation, or people accept that the frog will be boiled slowly.

Well if you insist… joking aside, I think it is that exact choice if we don’t change things. Things are bleak, it’s never been this bad .

then why the boost in support for Reform UK

Because people do have hope and they still think voting fixes things. The average voter doesn’t understand that the entire rotten edifice needs pulling down and all the Blair era structures need to be dismantled. They don’t understand the behind the scenes stuff and how all those structures work. I want to see candidates talking about this and explaining it. If someone British commits to dismantling it, they have my vote. I want an explicit acknowledgement of WHAT THE PROBLEM IS and how they will fix it. Instead I just hear little things that won’t fix anything. Put Lowe back in the party,

I'll never, even if somebody is going to 'Kirk me' give in to the forces of evil and accept that life is shit, it's going to get worse and feel sorry for myself.

This is a commendable attitude. I think nige getting assassinated would be a massive own goal - such events create martyrs and the British government is very good at not creating foci that dissent can coalesce around. It’s more likely that the usual method will be used and some kompromat will be dug up.
Much cleaner to destroy reputation, and this is why nobody ever got jailed over Epstein - the entire thing was a kompromat machine. If we had politicians who were able to exercise the supreme (lol) levels of control that it takes to NOT fall for the suspiciously young masseuse sting, maybe we’d be in a better place.
Chilly here, hard frost last night, all the woolens have been unearthed and washed ready for a chilly winter. The birds tell me it’s going to be cold this year, and they’re usually right.

 

[Mark Goldbridge]

They've got a major leak, anything she proposes is in the news the next day.
It's yet another tax on white people btw.
"Non-Hispanic Black and non-Hispanic Asian children and adults consumed the least dairy servings compared to other race/ethnic groups." https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2475299122145105

 

[FedPostalService]

We’d be best off with some kind of biological breakdown fermenter. Why aren’t we researching that?

We have that, it’s called compost.

 

[Overly Serious]

I mean,from what I can tell, given so many muslims are flooding here, it's pretty evident that not even they want to live in muslim run countries.

But do keep in mind that many of them aren't really fleeing because they hate the country, but because their country hates them. People who nobody there will employ for whatever reason, people who have committed crimes for which their own countries have actual punishments, those who have tried to overthrow their government and failed... the list goes on.

I'm not trying to make the case that their home countries are perfect or infinitely civilised, but it is also true that, as Trump said: "they're not sending their best." Any given refugee might be genuine and decent, but there's clearly a huge selection bias towards us getting the wrong'uns, too.

If Britain could dump its rapists and molesters and unemployably stupid on some country that was naive enough to welcome them, we'd do it too.

 

[>IMPLYING]

You really don't have any idea. They made the whole fricking world grind to a halt nearly 6 years ago and the spastics lapped it up.

So long as the pane and circe and gibs keep on coming people will not care. And that is exactly how they like it.

Covid was a test. We failed, miserably. 99% of this country is retarded niggercattle who don't give a fuck because ooohhh heart radio "turned on Christmas" and they're sporting massive boners reeing down anyone expressing dissent as a "Grinch".

The WEF also failed. They haven't really poked their head out in the West with as much frequency because their ideas/plans, which were spoken will full confidence and also with the bizarre belief that most of the population would be receptive to them, were dismal failures which either faced backlash in places which attempted soft implementation ("15 minute cities" i.e. "Pay to drive your own car if you go 15 minutes away from your house with it.") or were complete non-starters otherwise.

Like big corporations did from 2013-2025, the "data" (Greta Thunberg being astroturfed = "organic" popularity = population receptive to dystopian-type shit.) Nowadays they appear to have gone all in with the Saudis, who if you recall proposed that retarded "The Line"-city idea in 2021 during the WEF's peak of renown, it being peak Davos, being a highly condensed city with no cars or carbon emissions, which is estimated to be complete by 2080 and cost $8.8 trillion. Besides that though, Saudi Arabia is purported to become the regular meeting place of the WEF and the centre of the "4th Industrial Revolution" which may indicate that the WEF has quietly gone back on all that environmental shit which - surprise surprise - was bad for the economy.

Call me naïve or overly optimistic, but I think the biggest problem of the WEF isn't that they're necessarily controlling the strings of various governments, but I think out of desperation (especially during Covid when the global economy saw a massive downturn) politicians, who often have no idea how the economy works because most of their time at university is spent on humanities or "political science" or some shit, have to rely on institutions outside of government for advice on how to run their economy. And the WEF, which is basically run like a corporate entity, doesn't base its theories on practical evidence and common sense but "data", which has no consideration for mitigating factors and extraneous circumstances that influence the data*.

The WEF thinking the entire West would be receptive to their environmental policies and Leftist social policy is predicate on 2015-2022 where the entire internet was effectively controlled by left-adjacent/supporting peoples who censored or suppressed anything critical of the causes they support. "You will own nothing and be happy," for instance, was an incredibly dumb way of saying, "By 2030 people will be happy because people will be less materialistic and caring", and was an intentionally provocative statement meant to draw attention to the video and WEF as a form of advertising – that same video also says we'll have printable organs and meat consumption will go down and we'll have to care for refugees displaced by climate change. This was made in 2016 at the height of leftist hysteria when the "data" would essentially tell them that the video would receive more supporters than detractors.

The WEF shouldn't be given proverbial superpowers regarding how deeply their control goes, especially when what they're most infamous for is observed in plenty of other places. This "high concept", "visionary"-type thinking is also observed in the likes of Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Zuckerberg. Making bold statements gives you the illusion of intelligence and forethought, which will have idiots hinge on your every word but also give investors confidence in what you're selling. It's the same reason Nostradamus became famous – a combination of vague predictions which get vindicated thus giving legitimacy to the man and having people put more stock into the outrageous claims. Alongside "Owning nothing" was the """prediction""" that the "tech industry would grow" and that "the cost of living will play a major role in political trends" lmao.

As green policies fail and social activism fall to the wayside because, yeah, they don't actually help the economy (except pumping the value of green energy companies, social activist NGOs, and thus the Chinese and French indirectly, the former who make solar batteries and the latter who make wind turbines), the WEF's influence will naturally decline as politicians/governments quietly pretend they had never listened to them whatsoever but also inevitably start parroting some other solution to fix the economy – which in itself is a major problem in modern politics and has been persisting for 40+ years at this point. Politicians parroting the "great reset" is similar to when all the news agencies were caught saying verbatim the same exact lines regarding the "fake news" Trump quote because they didn't know how to rebuke it so rather than ignore it Sinclair (largest news agency owner in the USA) had them all say the exact same fucking thing to "reassure" people that they were still worth listening to.

Instead of trying a one-size fits all solution to repairing the economy that can be applied indiscriminately and yield fruit (hence why the WEF appeared to be controlling the West given most countries don't know how to do this**), the actual answer lies creating your own plan best suited for your country, not a plan which relies on everybody implementing it simultaneously. Such plans never work out and collapse as soon as one country doesn't play ball as they can typically undercut everyone else (Chyna & India).

Reeves' "plan" for the economy doesn't involve actual growth or making people wealthier, it's to decrease (or at least mitigate somewhat) the deficit through tax increases since her own party prevented any sort of spending cuts. I don't think we'll get someone bold enough to make a plan that fits the UK (I think Farage is going to just be the Tories circa 2010-2014 + touch of privatisation) but we can only hope our politicians copy someone worth actually copying if they can't think for themselves.

Britain faces a “tough Budget”, given the need – in the Chancellor’s words – to “fix the foundations” of our fragile public finances.
But however drastic the measures in Rachel Reeves’s Budget on Nov 26, they will be timid compared to the genuinely radical fiscal consolidation taking place some seven thousand miles away.
In his native Argentina, Javier Milei is known as “El Loco”, the madman, or “the Wig”, after his unkempt hairstyle.
Internationally, he is “the chainsaw president” – after wielding the noisy, petrol-driven device at multiple campaign rallies, symbolising his plans to slash back public spending.


Since winning election in December 2023, president Milei has turned a hyper-inflationary basket case into an economy growing fast – with inflation drastically down and on the cusp of attracting serious international investment.
The mutton-chopped, self-styled “anarcho-capitalist” is often derided as a former tantric sex coach who famously cloned his dead pet dog. Yet, since Milei took office, Argentina’s 4.4pc of GDP budget deficit has been transformed into a 1.8pc surplus – a fiscal consolidation of 6pc-plus of GDP in a single year.
Milei achieved this in the face of huge initial scepticism on global financial markets, closing down a massive 30pc of the public sector and radically simplifying taxes and labour laws, with Argentina chalking up its first budget surplus in over a hundred years.
The only modern comparison is Greece, which took similarly draconian measures between 2010 and 2012. But that was at the hands of the European Commission’s “Troika” – including the hard-as-nails International Monetary Fund.


Greece came back from the fiscal brink – and possible ejection from the Eurozone – under the forced control of unelected, faceless technocrats, in the teeth of fierce democratic opposition and protest.
Milei, in contrast, didn’t only win election two years ago on the back of his chainsaw-inspired budgetary controls. Just a fortnight ago, he won another midterm election landslide, campaigning for further radical spending cuts and free-market reforms.
Having won 41pc of the vote, the president can fend off opposition Peronists who, for decades, have led Argentina from fiscal crisis to crisis.
Milei’s La Libertad Avanza party now has enough parliamentary seats to block opposition to his spending controls and impeachment attempts.
What Milei has done makes the UK’s current fiscal reforms look utterly feeble.
Britain has an annual fiscal deficit of 2.6pc of GDP which, under Reeves’s existing plans – bitterly criticised by countless Labour MPs as “a return to austerity” – will gradually correct into a budget surplus of 0.3pc of GDP by 2029-30.


So the British political class – and apparently much of the electorate – is split over a fiscal consolidation of less than 3pc of GDP over five years. Milei has pulled off an adjustment more than twice as large in just two years – and he has done so amidst controversy, yes, but increasing public support.
In 2023, annual inflation in Argentina was a debilitating 211pc, with the economy contracting by 1.6pc. After two years of Milei’s “shock therapy”, inflation fell to just 31pc last month – still high by international standards but a seven-year low.
And the economy is booming, expanding by 6.3pc.
US backing has helped. Before the recent midterm vote, Donald Trump made it clear a $40bn (£30bn) credit lifeline was contingent on powers extended to Milei.
Mindful of Argentina’s huge copper and lithium reserves, as are the Chinese, the White House has helped Buenos Aires meet critical international debt repayments.
Argentina has defaulted on its sovereign debt on nine occasions – three times more than the country’s famously talented football team has won the World Cup. The country’s leaders have trekked to the IMF for a bailout no fewer than 23 times.


But on current form, Argentina could soon return to international capital markets, once again attracting the foreign capital that has ebbed and flowed to and from this vibrant, resource-rich nation for centuries.
Milei has more policy challenges to come, including further pension and welfare reforms.
And while the peso fluctuates within a controlled band for now, gradually shifting to a fully-floating exchange rate would boost growth and help accumulate much-needed foreign reserves.
Many international observers still dismiss Milei as a weird, irascible libertarian. But his actions provide lessons for countless rich-world governments struggling with huge annual deficits, soaring debts and spiralling interest payments – not least the UK.
What Milei has shown is the power of tough-but-coherent economic messaging, presented with honesty, authenticity and conviction. Some would argue that blunt fiscal realism plays better with Argentinians – repeatedly exposed to triple-digit inflation, mad regulation and repeated crisis – than with mollycoddled Britons.


Yet, even in this country, in both 1979 and 2010, after Britain had endured proper meltdowns – an IMF bailout followed by the “winter of discontent” in the late 70s and the global financial crisis in 2008-09 – UK voters backed fiscal consolidation.
Margaret Thatcher on the one hand, and the Tory-Lib Dem coalition on the other, both implemented fiscal controls that previously seemed politically impossible.
Kemi Badenoch last week described Milei’s reforms as “the template”, telling a UK-Argentina conference hosted in London by Canning House, the Latin-America focussed think tank, that Argentina shows the benefit of “sticking with policies that may initially be unpopular”.
The Tory leader wants to put clear blue water between her and Nigel Farage’s Reform UK – which has lately been criticised for making expenditure-heavy promises.
Badenoch is dead right. There does come a point when the electorate gets sick of false fiscal promises and wants grown-up leaders in charge, to put the public finances back on a firm footing.


But the lesson of our own history, and today’s Argentina, may be that the stiff public resolve needed only comes into focus after the kind of fiscal meltdown Britain is now trying to avoid.

(The Tories look like they may go in on copying Milei, but at the same time they could just be talking about austerity measures and raising taxes, and green spending will miraculously be left untouched for some reason)

TLDR: The WEF did help to fuck over the West economically these past 10 years but the ultimate start and end of their influence is on how many politicians take what they say seriously, which is a consequence of most politicians not being trained/educated on economics and so rely on this entity with "economic" in the name to do the thinking for them. The WEF is also ran like a company, which has its own interests in parallel to most of the countries it purports to help and essentially does what it perceives to be "popular" amongst the general public rather than actually viable economically. The WEF's legitimacy is a house built on sand that'll crumble as soon as fewer politicians appear at their meetings and stop parroting their talking points to substitute their own lack of ideas, which will be hastened when non-WEF compliant states such as Argentina and the USA, see economic growth from not doing as the WEF says.


*This is Neoliberalism in a nutshell by the way. It attempted to treat issues like products, where the better they "sell" the more a government should support them because it's what people want. The government do care about polls and shit, but polls can be manipulated like proles () and so the government can get stunlocked into parroting an actually unpopular position because the polls are wrong and emotional manipulation can only go so far. They also take "winning" as "support", which is why Labour went ahead with the OSA despite its rather observable unpopularity because the Conservatives winning in 2019 after their own pro-internet censorship fiascos was indicative if the general public being behind it.

**The biggest casualty of this by far is Germany. The EU, a bloc pretty much designed to push German and French economic interests, is cutting itself off at the knee as a consequence of trying to implement WEF-aligned policies. Germany has made itself more dependent on energy imports than it already was, which has been a boon to France who remains a net exporter due to maintaining its nuclear plants whilst also expanding pre-existing energy infrastructure alongside opening green energy shit. In hindsight, the "Net zero" shit only plausibly works with France, whose reliance on nuclear power and wind currents into Northern France from the UK actually allow for this.