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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[BongoMongo]

Whoever mentioned the end of ISAs upthread. My doomer prediction is:

They'll scrap ISAs totally
No tax relief on any savings
Run on the banks
Muh repeat of Northern Rock (remember that? Another fine moment under Labour)
A wild statutory instrument appears! It's for secondary legislation for emergency measures to prevent muh economy go tits up
You can't withdraw large sums of money (and they make it hard enough as it is)
It's super effective!!


Or something along those lines. I'm currently dying of a cold though so please take my cynicism with a pinch of lemsip.

 

[A-Logato]

The ISA thing seems to really get the average man on the street riled up when you ask them about it. Even the idea of a cap of £20k and trying to force people into artificially having to gamble on UK stocks with their savings instead seemed to anger people in quite a different way then a lot of their other policies, especially with young people.

 

[tack så mycket]

I’ve had a few run ins with them where I’ve tried to point out that 15m cities aren’t about having nice facilities close at all. And they always sulk and say it is, and then in the same breath they drop the mask and talk about how we must lower our standard of living and de-develop. And all sorts of other things.

The people I know who believe in the 15 minute city bollocks piss me off because they look at what they have access to within 15 minutes of their own home and they think "Oh well this is very nice actually! Yes, this is perfectly workable." That's because they live in an area where they have Gail's, Holland & Barrett, Waitrose, M&S Food, a lovely Sunday farmer's market, a nice cosy wine bar, a little gelato van, a cheap & cheerful pizzeria, etc etc.

They just don't stop for five seconds and think about the people who live among dodgy estate agents, vape shops, sketchy mobile phone shops, and one of those shit tiny Co Ops where everything is outrageously expensive to cover the cost of all the shoplifting. It's basically "fuck you, got mine."

 

[>IMPLYING]

The ISA thing seems to really get the average man on the street riled up when you ask them about it. Even the idea of a cap of £20k and trying to force people into artificially having to gamble on UK stocks with their savings instead seemed to anger people in quite a different way then a lot of their other polices, especially with young people.

It's the benefits thing (people not liking any cuts despite the size of the deficit) but in reverse. On some instinctual level, even if you're not a recipient (benefits) or a holder (ISA), people do not like the government fucking with people's money.

 

[soulless guarantee]

The ISA thing is an odd one as they'd floated the idea maybe twice now this year, although not particularly recently close to the budget. Floated idea was to reduce the cash amount to 3 or 5k, to "encourage" people into investing into UK stock ISAs with a higher cap potentially still up to 20k overall between cash and stock. But it doesnt seem practicable to enforce that the higher cap only applies to UK shares, or funds/ETFs that only track UK companies? Changing the overall total is fine, just tell UK ISA providers what the cap is, but if they then have to be granular as to keeping track of what is invested in the UK vs abroad seems like a lot of busy work. And as other markets are outperforming the UK, surely people would just think to dump their money in US trackers etc

If they want the UK market to do well, how about actually working on improving growth, business costs and red tape etc, rather than forcing people to squeeze their savings into an investment that they probably aren't comfortable taking the plunge on. Yes, there are plenty of easy-to-use and relatively safe trackers, but its still quite a shock to the common person to be told that they could possibly end up with less money than they put it -- compared to a cash account that everyone is au fai with.

I do also wonder if the triple lock will be broken -- perhaps traded for the removal of the 2 child benefit cap? What with the rhetoric on immigration (not that it will go anywhere without resolving the EHRC elephant in the room), are Labour seniors just wanting to ram in as much shit early on in the term, in the hope that they can cling on to the expected election by which time people will have forgotten?

 

[BongoMongo]

It's the benefits thing (people not liking any cuts despite the size of the deficit) but in reverse. On some instinctual level, even if you're not a recipient (benefits) or a holder (ISA), people do not like the government fucking with people's money.

The benefits system is so messed up because the short term support to get people laid off back into work is so insultingly pitiful. It pushes people into financial desperation and makes them willing to do anything, say anything, claim anything to get a bit more money and the job centre off their backs.

It also actively rewards single parenthood. It should be a crime to get pregnant by a man you barely know and who you're not in a relationship with, whose name you'll leave off the birth certificate

 

[FedPostalService]

Times Radio is fucking bonkers. It’s got this weird “we need to do something about immigration but we can’t because it will be mean and make rich London people upset.”

Andrew Neil just needs to retire or fuck off to Davos.

 

[>IMPLYING]

The benefits system is so messed up because the short term support to get people laid off back into work is so insultingly pitiful. It pushes people into financial desperation and makes them willing to do anything, say anything, claim anything to get a bit more money and the job centre off their backs.

It also actively rewards single parenthood. It should be a crime to get pregnant by a man you barely know and who you're not in a relationship with, whose name you'll leave off the birth certificate

It also discourages saving too. If you have more than 6k, be it in a current account, savings, ISA, etcetera, they cut you off.
My theory is, aside from the potential and legitimate seethe some people would feel to read that some scrounger saved up 100k+ over 10 years and bought a house without a mortgage when some people are still paying theirs, it's precisely to make them consoomers because at least the money they spend being consoomers helps with GDP and keeps them active in the economy. (A somewhat sound idea which gets fucked when you considering a lot of these Paki scroungers just send their payments back home and continue to work being paid under the table for some relative who also is how they got permanent residency here in the first place)

 

[Duane Dibbley]

They've just stolen 6 years worth of pension from women with the majority of people clapping saying "good, fuck them. Boomers have too much money anyway".

What do you think the reaction will be from the majority of working class who have no money when the government garnish a portion of your ISA? "Good, fuck them. If they have savings, they're too rich anyway".

And as for the removal of the two child cap, have a look at the data and statics of who has more than two children, because it's not white families, as we have fallen below the replacement rate of 1 child per family.

 

[Elysian]

It also actively rewards single parenthood. It should be a crime to get pregnant by a man you barely know and who you're not in a relationship with, whose name you'll leave off the birth certificate

This is just going to result in impregnated rape victims getting arrested for not giving a mental case access to their children by putting them on the birth certificate and is therefore stupid and you should feel bad. Having a criminal record would also stop single mothers from getting jobs and in turn make them even more reliant on the state.

A more effective way to do it would be a Nordic model esque approach where you punish the men instead, because a woman can at most pop out one welfare baby a year until they hit menopause but a deadbeat manwhore can make multiple welfare babies every year for the remainder of his natural life with as many women as he can convince to sleep with him. I guarantee if you punished mother/child abandonment, wilful non payment of child support and rape by arresting men and possibly also castrating them as a deterrent, single parenthood would be greatly reduced. Only the most unhinged degenerate men would be willing to risk the continued existence of their meat and two veg for an unprotected one night stand, affair or a rape.

Don’t forget, giving birth in and of itself is very unpleasant, and we invented things like epidurals and gas&air to help mitigate that. If you’re going to punish women for the same thing, a better deterrent than a criminal record for them would be some sort of ban on non-emergency pain relief* during childbirth for single-mothers-to-be. If the experience is unpleasant enough they won’t want to repeat it.

*you should still give them painkillers if they have an emergency c section because I have a feeling that slicing someone’s abdomen open and temporarily disembowelling them while they’re fully conscious would probably make them go into shock and die, and then you’d have an orphan in the care system to spend taxpayer money on.

 

[BongoMongo]

Yeah let's punish men for the degenerate choices of slags. What a fantastic idea. No scope for it to go wrong at all.

 

[Heinrich Maneuver]

I guarantee if you punished mother/child abandonment

men would start killing women and children in droves to get rid of them. The number one cause of death for pregnant women is their boyfriends/husbands. Bad idea. There are surely ways to incentivise marriage (like making having a good paying job and family rewarding by not raping them with taxes and giving houses to migrants) but this ain't it

 

[BongoMongo]

men would start killing women and children in droves to get rid of them. The number one cause of death for pregnant women is their boyfriends/husbands. Bad idea. There are surely ways to incentivise marriage (like making having a good paying job and family rewarding by not raping them with taxes and giving houses to migrants) but this ain't it

Tax breaks for married couples. That would help. And something better than the current married couples tax allowance. We need to get back to a man and a woman, married, raising children, as being not only the norm, but rewardable. Children do better in that. Granted abuse - genuine abuse - should never be tolerated and should be punished. But, if you're not willing to have kids with someone, don't fuck them.

I know I'm old fashioned but his nibs and I courted for several months (nigh on a year) before getting serious and we can't even have children. We take sex and reproduction far too flippantly in society today and we are paying for it.

Promiscuity is harmful. Sleeping around is harmful. It hurts people. It is not good for anyone. It is bad for you and we need to discourage it.

 

[FedPostalService]

A more effective way to do it would be a Nordic model esque approach where you punish the men instead

Go back to the Beauty Parlour. This is the Greggs thread for the brave lions of Islam who reside in Bongistan.

We shall have no, and may Allah forgive me for saying this, “women” pollute the purity of our thread with their menstrual blood.

 

[Heinrich Maneuver]

[snip]

And bring childcare costs down, reintroduce close family taking care of kids (a big problem with young folk is not having active grandparents or aunties/uncles who want to be involved in the family), or make it possible for one parent to work and the other raise the children. I quite like the Scottish baby boxes with the baby starter kit and information for new mothers and fathers. Tax breaks are always good. Women are fucking unbelievable for how they think marriage is too serious with boyfriend of the week but having a child isn't.

Children pay dearly for how flippantly we treat reproduction; spawned by uncaring mothers and absent fathers to be an accessory or another benefits claim, and then repeating the cycle. A child is for life not just for Christmas!

 

[BongoMongo]

And bring childcare costs down, reintroduce close family taking care of kids (a big problem with young folk is not having active grandparents or aunties/uncles who want to be involved in the family), or make it possible for one parent to work and the other raise the children. I quite like the Scottish baby boxes with the baby starter kit and information for new mothers and fathers. Tax breaks are always good. Women are fucking unbelievable for how they think marriage is too serious with boyfriend of the week but having a child isn't.

Children pay dearly for how flippantly we treat reproduction; spawned by uncaring mothers and absent fathers to be an accessory or another benefits claim, and then repeating the cycle. A child is for life not just for Christmas!

Geographical mobility has destroyed the social fabric of this country. I was lucky. My dad left when I was very little (for complex reasons but short story he was sexually abused by his siblings as a child and didn't want to repeat on us girls) but our mam had my grandparents, her mum and dad, nearby. She also did a funded OU degree and went into a professional job when we went to school (she even got a grant for a VCR to record OU programmes and this was in Thatchers Britain).

We were lucky in that we had that support. I am constantly disgusted by people who say lol just move away for work. That's all well and good but what about when children arrive? I'm lucky in that I can't have kids and I have moved about for work but what then? Foist them into the tender mercies of "childcare" when they come?


It's disgraceful how some women see having kids. I am constantly having my piss boiled seeing women on bus ignoring their wee boys and girls to talk on phone about literal shit of no consequence. Your child is crying out for interaction and attention and you're blathering on to some retard about latest slapfight on Facebook? Shame on you.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

There's far too much common sense in this thread. I suggest instead we solve our energy needs by burning former employees of tax payer funded entities for energy instead.

It won't work too well but the pension savings means we'll end up ahead.

 

[Heinrich Maneuver]

It's disgraceful how some women see having kids. I am constantly having my piss boiled seeing women on bus ignoring their wee boys and girls to talk on phone about literal shit of no consequence. Your child is crying out for interaction and attention and you're blathering on to some retard about latest slapfight on Facebook? Shame on you.

Spoiler: Modern attitudes to having children sperging

I will never understand the left's obsession with the child benefit cap and the refusal to accept that there are women in this country (MULTIPLE in my college year) who had kids for the sole purpose of the dole money and actively fucking hate their kids, not because they wanted children. For all the whining about 'muh trauma' they refuse to acknowledge that kids who grow up in homes where they aren't wanted or are a financial burden/meal ticket are going to have some kind of issues growing up and when you lionise the bennies system you end up with countless traumatised kids from absolutely dreadful homes (see that one mother on tiktok who has 'anxiety and depression' lives in a fucking pigsty and is pregnant with number 5 despite constantly talking about muh mentals). Yes having the benefits to fall back on can definitely be used by big families who genuinely fall on hard times, but the majority of big families I know are chaotic trainwrecks and having kids solely for the bennies or because she wants attention on FB again, not because she's a suitable mother or he's a present father. There's a post a few pages ago about offering people X amount of money if they get sterilised, honestly I'm all for it.
Free love movement was a mistake i swear. Stop having dem fuckin keeeedsss

The mandelson piss pictures have also been released if any of you deviants want it

 

[BongoMongo]

There's far too much common sense in this thread. I suggest instead we solve our energy needs by burning former employees of tax payer funded entities for energy instead.

It won't work too well but the pension savings means we'll end up ahead.

Please run for PM. I'd vote for you xx

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Please run for PM. I'd vote for you xx

I've too much baggage, leave it to Otterly. Might give the country the first non-Tory female PM too