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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
The Irish will literally firebomb the police if they receive a FRACTION of the migrants that the UK gets yet it's Big Baz with his St George's flag who is the real monster.
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Yeah, same reason why whenever a Muslim blows people up everyone just wails and gnashes their teeth at how Islamophobia made him do it. The people up top are terrified of the violent (like Muslims and Irish) becoming even more so and so they lash out at the non-violent to feel better about themselves.
Made In Wales said:
Llyr
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How do you even pronounce that?
 
FedPostalService said:
The destruction of their arms caches was a major part of the Good Friday Agreement 🤔
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They packed up just about enough of the old stuff and showed it like good boys and nobody looked too closely. Everyone wanted rhe Good Friday process to succeed, there were a lot of important people pegging their careers on it. The boxes were ticked and everyone clapped.
The various armed units and groups in Ireland are far more split and complex than just nationalists vs ira, and most of them had sidelines, and all were armed to the teeth.
Decommissioning wasn’t done with any records, despite Blair banging on about verifiable processes. They had two priests pinky swear it was done on the ira side. No photos, no records, just ‘yeah we did.’
Draw your own conclusions on how many weapons are knocking about over there
 
FedPostalService said:
Cymru i'r Cymry. Ewch adref i'r Saeson.
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See, another one's at it. Now I have to post pure evil

An anti-terror chief has told a public inquiry officers never found out "the why" of Axel Rudakubana's deadly attack in Southport, other than his fascination with extreme violence.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Victoria Evans, a senior national co-ordinator for Counter Terrorism Policing, told the inquiry it had been her role to determine whether the 29 July 2024 attack had been a terrorist incident.

She told the Liverpool Town Hall hearing the assessment was that the perpetrator was not a terrorist.

Bebe King, six, Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven, and Alice da Silva Aguiar, nine, were murdered in the attack at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class. Ten others, including eight children, were injured.
The inquiry heard that some of the victims wanted to know how the conclusion that the knifeman was not a terrorist had been reached.

Nicholas Moss KC, counsel to the inquiry, said the police and counter-terrorism investigation did not declare the incident to be terrorism since there was no evidence the perpetrator had tried to further a particular cause.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Evans said: "There was no evidence found to show or suggest the attack was, as you say, motivated to advance a political, racial, religious or ideological cause.

"What I would say is that I completely appreciate for the survivors, the communities, that doesn't in any way lessen the horror of the attack."

Bebe King, Elsie Dot Stancombe and Alice da Silva Aguiar were killed in the attack
Mr Moss asked the senior officer to further explain that determination, given that after his arrest police found the killer had a document titled Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants: The Al-Qaeda Training Manual.

It included content about how to use knives and poisons to kill people.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Evans said that while the manual may have "aided the methodology" of the knifeman's attack, it did not show - and neither did any other evidence uncovered by police - that he had been motivated by a terrorist ideology.

She added: "In very simple terms, we never identified the 'why'."

Mr Moss, referring to the killer by his initials, continued: "Should we understand the assessment was, dreadfully and shamefully, that fitted in with AR's fascination with extreme violence, and when seen as a whole there was not an indication he was holding that manual because he had, for example, an Islamist extremist agenda?"

She replied: "That's correct."

The senior officer agreed that the killer also had online content, found by police after his arrest, that would be grossly offensive both to Muslims and other communities.

The inquiry was adjourned until 20 October.
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A psychiatrist said he was unaware the Southport killer had previously been caught carrying a knife, despite the fact it was recorded in medical notes, a public inquiry has been told.

Anthony Molyneux took on Axel Rudakubana as a patient from July 2022 and discharged him in April 2024, three months before the then 17-year-old murdered three children at a Taylor Swift-themed dance workshop.

He said he had "no suspicion" that information, plus further disturbing references to the teenager's obsession with violence, was recorded in patient notes and "would not have gone looking" for it.

Asked if he had "failed in his duty" to check them more thoroughly, he said: "I don't accept that submission."
Dr Molyneux, neurodevelopmental lead at Alder Hey Children's Hospital in Liverpool, told the Southport Inquiry he had taken a verbal handover from Rudakubana's previous psychiatrist, Dr Lakshmi Ramasubramanian.

Giving evidence at Liverpool Town Hall, Dr Molyneux said: "I believe that I took reasonable steps to glean a reasonable level of assurance from the notes and the verbal handover I had."

He added he was "100% confident" that CAMHS had done everything it could to assess and treat Rudakubana when he was discharged with a note saying his risk to others was "minimal".

On 29 July 2024, Alice da Silva Aguiar, nine, Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven, and six-year-old Bebe King were fatally attacked by the knifeman.

Ten others, including eight children, were seriously injured.

Rudakubana, from Banks in Lancashire, was jailed for life with a minimum term of 52 years in January.

Bebe King, Elsie Dot Stancombe and Alice Aguiar were killed in the 29 July 2024 attack
Under questioning from Nicholas Moss KC, lead counsel to the inquiry, Dr Molyneux said he had not read the reference to a March 2022 incident in which Rudakubana's parents had reported him missing.

Lancashire Police later found him on a bus where he admitted he had a knife and had wanted to stab people.

The inquiry heard the teenager's medical records also contained a reference to an attack on a school pupil with a hockey stick at Range High School in Formby in December 2019, during which he was found to have carried a knife in his backpack.

And there was reference to another incident in 2019, when teachers had noted that Rudakubana had researched the 2017 Manchester Arena suicide bombing and referred to it as a "good battle".

The knifeman murdered the three children three months after being discharged from mental health services
Dr Molyneux said he was unaware at the time he was treating Rudakubana and found the bombing comment "particularly chilling".

Mr Moss suggested that the system within CAMHS at Alder Hey for "keeping track of risk information" was "very poor".

"I would say it should have been better, and we have since taken steps to improve it," Dr Molyneux said.

He also suggested when he did home visits with Rudakubana's family, the teenager's parents did not mention any violence or risk to others and appeared to "stage manage" what information was given to clinicians.

Dr Molyneux explained that he was aware that the teenager had been referred to the anti-extremism service Prevent, but believed the service had concluded there was "nothing to see here".

Mr Moss asked if it would have been important for Dr Molyneux to be aware of the risk information referred to in the notes.

"Of course, I think it's crucial someone in my position ought to know those things at the time," the doctor replied.

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Mr Moss suggested his treatment would be "deeply flawed" without knowledge of such matters.

Dr Molyneux said: "Let's just say it would be a significant blind spot."

He said the teenager came across as an "unremarkable, sullen, untalkative, gawky teenage boy" during their sessions together.

The psychiatrist said he did ask Rudakubana about whether he had thoughts of harming others, which the teenager denied.

Without any evidence to contradict him, he said he took the teenager's answers "at face value".

The inquiry heard he was first referred to the Child and Adolescent Mental Health Service (CAMHS) in 2021 after his conviction over the hockey stick incident.

He was first seen by Dr Ramasubramanian, who told the inquiry she had read in his Electronic Patient Records that he had been caught carrying a knife in March 2022 - but did not know he had told police he was thinking about stabbing people.

During her evidence to the inquiry, she said while young people with anxiety carrying knives for protection was not uncommon, she would have considered that additional detail a "red flag".

Dr Ramasubramanian said when she took on Rudakubana as a patient she reviewed his records and was "reassured" by the fact Prevent and another specialist service called Forensic CAMHS - specifically for young people considered a risk to others - had not accepted referrals.

She said that meant she did not consider risk to others as a significant concern and could "focus on the here and now".

Dr Ramasubramanian said she requested to hand over the teenager's case to another psychiatrist because of "disrespect and initimidation" from his father, Alphonse Rudakubana.

She said: "This is the very first time in my entire career as a doctor where I've had to request a change of psychiatrist because of how I was made to feel by a parent.

"It's quite unprecedented in my opinion."

She said when she handed over his case to Dr Molyneux in June 2022, she could not recall whether she mentioned the hockey stick incident in 2019 or Rudakubana carrying the knife on the bus in March 2022.

When asked by Harriet Wakeman, counsel to the inquiry, whether any assessment of the teenager's risk to others had "fallen by the wayside", Dr Ramasubramanian said "yes".

The inquiry continues.
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Just in case anyone thought the grooming gang was the only cover up going on
 
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Just in case anyone thought the grooming gang was the only cover up going on
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They know why, but can't put it on record until the people who were jailed for speaking the truth - that rudabukabanana had converted to islam, with an islamic name and carried out the attack in the name of islam, otherwise it would be a bloody nose and black eye all at once for starmer.
 
Duane Dibbley said:
They know why, but can't put it on record until the people who were jailed for speaking the truth - that rudabukabanana had converted to islam, with an islamic name and carried out the attack in the name of islam, otherwise it would be a bloody nose and black eye all at once for starmer.
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So the real crime in all this is that he is being dead named.
 
Made In Wales said:
Reeves to hit the Middle Classes in tax raid:




This ain't gonna end well... targeting the group of people who put you into power.
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This was always on the cards and has been since covid and before. The splitting of the middle class, followed by the decimation of it.

The lower and middle middle class are now just working class. The upper middle class are now lower middle class and the gulf between widens yearly.
 
Made In Wales said:
Welsh on Duolingo is pretty much impossible level.
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I had to learn some Welsh for a job I once had since we dealt with a lot of people in Wales and they wanted to be addressed in the Welsh language. Beside the fact I ended up knowing more Welsh then most of the natives did. I quickly realised it is a dead and impractical language the needs to be confined to the depths of history.
 
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