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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Running the numbers on that poll, Labour are being eaten up more by Reform than the Tories are, but then Labour massively over-performed at the last election so I'm not reading too much into it regards how feelings towards the parties have changed. If anything, given how much Labour performed above average last election, it's probably even more in the Tories favour. Is it possible that Reform are sweeping up more of the working class vote Labour claims than I thought? Looks like.

It's still a big jump from this polling to Conservative opposition. I doubt it unless Starmer clings on as leader for a couple more years until the GE and absolutely drives Labour support into the ground. Although can you imagine if we DID get Reform with Conservative opposition or vice versa? It's hard to imagine what that would be like. Almost a complete collapse of the Left and the Conservatives themselves would have renewed incentive to be nationalist and, well, conservative.
All this assumes the government won’t find a way to outlaw, prosecute or otherwise disappear Reform before the next election.

It works in Germany, Romania, France, Moldova etc. Despite the claims that Europe is free, democratic and not at all totalitarian.
 
All this assumes the government won’t find a way to outlaw, prosecute or otherwise disappear Reform before the next election.

It works in Germany, Romania, France, Moldova etc. Despite the claims that Europe is free, democratic and not at all totalitarian.
That would be more risky than enforcing compulsory Migrant Housing on private home owners.

Trump's relationship with Starmer is already very weak, he'd certainly stick his oar in and make it very difficult for that to happen.

You would also see a wide-scale rebellion against Starmer, even by and with people who may hate Reform UK and Nigel Farage but realise that getting rid of a dictator is more important.

In Caerphilly, this week, Reform and Plaid people have discussed the main problem affecting not just their town, the country of Wales but the whole of the UK... it's not 'the other's fault' as both blame Labour 100% and Labour's response is that both are nationalist scumbags and thugs, dangers to democracy.

Labour's power is weakening sufficiently - it's boil and bluster and nothing more.

Even the Police and Courts are getting pissed off at having to deal with 'hurty words' - a guy near me was heard saying 'Starmer's a prick' and had the Police called on him. Ten minutes later, they issued an 'NFA' (No Further Action) and went away - what a waste of his and their time.

The other countries you've mentioned aren't as closely allied to the USA as we are, and 'the special relationship' we have is more important geopolitically than what those countries think about or want from Trump and the US. Trump is stronger than Useless van of Liars (Ursula von der Leyen) and that goes well in our favour as far as getting Farage in as PM.
 
Incidentally, the only reason Labour can nationalise the railways now is because we're no longer in the EU.
Something that every time it was mentioned when Corbyn was in charge and Brexit under discussion kept being dodged. A lot of what he wanted required Brexit to happen but he refused to acknowledge that.
"Wicked child! Chairs are an invention of Satan! At home, Nathanial sits on a spike."
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The truly pious would stand on the spike, not sit like some slothful, slovenly, sodomite servant of Satan!
 
I'm at the point of honestly not caring. The people who are in power have shown that they want our way of living to cease. They will not rest until our streets resemble New Delhi, covered in shit and rubbish. They deserve to lose their jobs and without fedposting, much more. Mussolini's end springs to mind.

Give me incompetent people who actually don't want me to die or be homeless over "qualified" career politicians who want all of our Isles speaking jungle babble.
I get it, I really do. But this is the point at which we seize defeat from the jaws of victory. When you get so angry you say "anything but this" and just jump for what is offered. Reform as the rebound party. They need to be more than a protest party and professed good intentions if they get that big a majority in the House of Commons. Britain is in a real mess. I've worked with complex systems, I've seen the civil service. The best case scenario is that they're genuinely well-intentioned and principled on the whole. That wont be enough but it'll be a big step forward. But the only thing that's going to protect the country is if people don't just say "we won" if Reform sweep the house, but if people then start monitoring Reform to really make sure they do what people want. I do get being brought to the point of no longer caring and just wanting to see the blood flow from the Commons. But rarely in history have revolutions put the best people in charge. Reform have to be monitored and pressure kept on them.

All this assumes the government won’t find a way to outlaw, prosecute or otherwise disappear Reform before the next election.

It works in Germany, Romania, France, Moldova etc. Despite the claims that Europe is free, democratic and not at all totalitarian.
Attempts like this would actually reassure me. It would mean that TPTB had failed to subvert Reform to their satisfaction.

As to the other countries. Well.... lets just say it has worked so far. But Macron paid the price of keeping out Le Pen in getting unstable coalition that gets nothing done. He's on his fifth prime minister in almost as many years. Sixth if you count the one who quit and then he forced back into the role. AfD continues to grow in Germany. Moldova continues to boil. If they want to pull that sort of crap on Reform they've left it too late. We saw that when they tried to de-bank Farage and that was a couple of years ago. They™ have one realistic option now, which is to try and subvert Reform as much as possible. And you can be sure they're trying which is why I'm so wary. Farage has purged the party of dissenters. Both serious rivals like Rupert Lowe and grass roots supporters who helped build the party up. Tory campaign managers are now in his inner circle. You don't kick out Rupert Lowe if your goal is to benefit the country. You kick him out because you're afraid he might rival you for influence.

If the government try to outlaw Reform, nobody will celebrate more than me. Because it will mean that there's a credible threat to the Establishment. And it has no real chance of succeeding.

People confusing less and fewer is my personal peeve. Less is a thing your quantify on terms of volume, like water. Fewer is something you count in individual numbers like people or buttons or whatever.

Really grinds my tits.
I'm at the point that when I read someone say "less people" or similar, I automatically correct it mentally as I go. I just dread when they start doing to it with much and many. "Yeah, there were much people there." I mean, people can tell that this sounds wrong, why not less and fewer?

Even the Police and Courts are getting pissed off at having to deal with 'hurty words' - a guy near me was heard saying 'Starmer's a prick' and had the Police called on him.
But in cases of slander and libel, the truth is a defence, no?
 
@Overly Serious : defamation,which covers slander (spoken) and libel (written or published) isn't defamatory if the person saying/writing/publishing the facts knows them to be true.

It's only defamation if you know what you're saying/writing/publishing is untrue. The truth is never defamatory, and no defence is needed if the statements are correct and truthful.

Had this slap fight with a former employer who told me that, in speaking to the Councils department that deals with safety in the workplace I was being "libelous" (which is in itself inaccurate as I did not write or publish my statements, I spoke to them on the phone) so his nibs had one of the fee-earners/Partners from work send a letter telling them to back off.

You don't need a defence of the truth if what you're saying is truthful because defamation doesn't apply to the truth.
 
Latest polling news ahead of next Thursday's big day in Caerphilly:




The polling shows:

Reform UK leads overall with strong support among older voters (49% among 55+).

Reform is attracting just over a quarter (26%) of Labour 2021 voters, 18% of Plaid 2021 voters and a massive 70% of Conservative voters since the last Senedd election in Caerphilly.

Plaid Cymru dominates among younger voters (50% among 18–34s).

Plaid is attracting 31% of 2021 Labour voters and 19% of 2021 Conservative voters not enthused at the prospect of Reform.

Labour's 2021 base in Caerphilly has fragmented since the 2021 Senedd election: only one in three (33%) of its 2021 voters remain, while 31% have switched to Plaid and 26% to Reform.

Labour's remaining vote is concentrated among older core supporters (15% among 55+).

Conservative support has collapsed, with around 70% of 2021 Senedd Conservative voters now backing Reform.
 
I do get being brought to the point of no longer caring and just wanting to see the blood flow from the Commons.
Revenge isn't my main motivation here. It's to remove them so they cannot do any more damage. Give me untrained, motivated, principled (yes, I am aware Farage is a snake. But he's a snake that will deport millions) individuals over what we currently have. People who are driven by principle will come up against the civil service but will be much harder to sway than career-politician Minister #20 that year who comes in to stay for a year before failing upwards.

This is a total, complete upheaval and removal of the politicians that have gotten us in this mess, the stinklords who actually think they can make us a minority here and a rejection of the way this country is going. There is no greater message than killing two of the oldest and most successful political parties in the world. Pair that with Trump's current ICE deportations in America and that's what you call a joint effort in restoring some semblance of normality. It's a complete sweep and will be the most important generational change since WWII in terms of politics and culture for the West. Imagine if the AfD win in Germany.

We are done being nice. If it's not Reform, then it'll be fascists at the next election. People out there are absolutely furious. Caerphilly is an excellent example. Historically Labour since forever, and even in the poll that got released this morning, they're in a distant third place.

REF 42% (+40)
PLAID 38% (+10)
LAB 12% (-34)
CON 4% (-14)

This isn't just a right-wing demolition of the Tories, this is total annihilation of the political norm that is happening across the West. It will happen regardless and will make Brexit look tiny in comparison.
 
Revenge isn't my main motivation here. It's to remove them so they cannot do any more damage. Give me untrained, motivated, principled (yes, I am aware Farage is a snake. But he's a snake that will deport millions) individuals over what we currently have. People who are driven by principle will come up against the civil service but will be much harder to sway than career-politician Minister #20 that year who comes in to stay for a year before failing upwards.
Well I wont rate you optimistic because whilst I'm not overly optimistic (my cousin), I also feel there's a lot of positive action here. But I also know how bad things can get when people sweep all the pieces off the board and try to build up again from nowt. And when you sweep away the current Establishment MPs you haven't taken down their backers or their money. You've taken away their proxies. They absolutely are cultivating new ones right now. Political parties are like cars to them. If one breaks down they will try to climb into another.

We are done being nice. If it's not Reform, then it'll be fascists at the next election.
Well that's the point of democracy - to defuse political anger into acceptable channels. We'd have had fascists in power long ago if not for being able to vote and choose between Tories, Labour and LibDems every 4-5 years.

@Overly Serious : defamation,which covers slander (spoken) and libel (written or published) isn't defamatory if the person saying/writing/publishing the facts knows them to be true.
Well that's fine then. Starmer is a prick.
 
Revenge isn't my main motivation here.
I don't want revenge because it'd make me feel better. I wouldn't even call it revenge. I want the most important people in this fucking country to face consequences fitting of that role. At the moment there are more consequences for me saying nigger on facebook than ruining the country. Until they're scared of a peasant's revolt or the monarch ordering an execution they will continue to do the same things, maybe with a different face and a new coat of paint but they will not change who they are at the core. We are lead by a group of people who functionally have no boss, no consequences for doing no work or shitting in the office photocopier, no reason to do anything. And we're surprised that they act with the tact of unsupervised teenagers? If you pay someone before they do a job then suddenly they have no motivation to do said job and they'll fuck off. That's how the country is being ran. They get paid and then they run off like the cowboy builders they are at heart.
 
I don't want revenge because it'd make me feel better. I wouldn't even call it revenge. I want the most important people in this fucking country to face consequences fitting of that role. At the moment there are more consequences for me saying nigger on facebook than ruining the country. Until they're scared of a peasant's revolt or the monarch ordering an execution they will continue to do the same things, maybe with a different face and a new coat of paint but they will not change who they are at the core. We are lead by a group of people who functionally have no boss, no consequences for doing no work or shitting in the office photocopier, no reason to do anything. And we're surprised that they act with the tact of unsupervised teenagers? If you pay someone before they do a job then suddenly they have no motivation to do said job and they'll fuck off. That's how the country is being ran. They get paid and then they run off like the cowboy builders they are at heart.
I've never agreed with a post so much in my life.

You can get away with spying for China in this country but have the police destroy your life for disagreeing with a tranny on Facebook.

I do very well with the status quo. The more retarded our leaders are the easier my life is professionally. Yet, what I'm seeing is terrifying me. I truly fear so much for this country.

We can't go on like this. If Farage can't sort things I fear jackboots will.
 

Article from the BBC about a "solution" to the migrant hotel shit, which I wanna post some quotes from:
The cost of putting asylum seekers in local hotels is also "cripplingly expensive," points out Kate - and she makes a bold claim: the cost could be cut from about £54,000 a year to just £4,000, for each asylum seeker, by moving them to social housing.
Instead of paying private contractors to provide hotel rooms, as it does now, she wants the government to pay councils and housing associations to buy more properties, adding them to the nation's social housing stock, to benefit migrants and others in need of a home.
If the three private companies contracted by the government struggle, won't councils and housing associations have the same problem?

"We would shop in a different way," she says.

Often the asylum accommodation companies are looking for the cheapest private rented houses, usually in areas with lots of asylum seekers already, she says, fuelling community tensions.

But councils and housing associations could plan more carefully where to go shopping, she argues, and there are other sources of property they might be able to get hold of more easily.

For example, they could buy up property in housing developments. Builders usually have to offer social housing as part of any new development, in order to get planning permission. There has been a drop in first-time buyers recently.
In outline, her plan would work like this: the government gives a council or housing association an average of £80,000 to buy and do up a property. They would also need to borrow some money on top of that, but the interest they pay is usually less than a company would.
Total Migrant Death isn't enough. We need Total Migrant Enablers and Supporters Death as well.
 
Article from the BBC about a "solution" to the migrant hotel shit, which I wanna post some quotes from:




Total Migrant Death isn't enough. We need Total Migrant Enablers and Supporters Death as well.
You neglected to quote this bit
And now Kate, who is the chief executive of an Oxfordshire housing association
"The solution to the problem is to put money in my pocket!"
 
I’ve not seen this reported anywhere but Starmer making an abortion loving fag hag the Archbishop of Canterbury has went down as well as expected with the more conservative provinces of the Anglican communion, who today went full schism told the first among equals “look at me, I’m the Anglican now.”


Now the majority of Anglicans across the globe are no longer in communion with either the Archbishop of Canterbury or the Church of England.

Amazing work, Starmer. You’ve set the Anglican Church on fire.

I don’t get the Church of England. Why even pretend to be Christian now? Just be Unitarians or go to the Skeptics in the Pub instead?

As someone who who has no problem with gays or abortion I’ve never felt the urge to join a religion to destroy it from the inside, but then again I’m not a woman.

EDIT: it’s being discussed in this thread, but since I’m a non-believer I don’t want to derail a thread specifically for Christians so I won’t comment there: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/christian-theology-thread-for-christians.161805/post-22771808
 
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Article from the BBC about a "solution" to the migrant hotel shit, which I wanna post some quotes from:




Total Migrant Death isn't enough. We need Total Migrant Enablers and Supporters Death as well.
Yeah, fucking great plan, “Kate” - there’s already nowhere near enough social housing to go round, so let’s put all the migrants in the cheap housing. Better still, all the “affordable” (in very inverted commas) new builds should absolutely be given to the migrants too. Fuck the British people, right? They’re white, they can gtfo, privileged pricks, right?

This kind of fucking idiot is the absolute last thing this country needs. Put everyone ahead of yourself to the point where you’re fucked to death is not a plan to run a country. Spoilt little twat obviously has no idea what it’s like to be British and poor. Especially if it means watching those who arrived a few weeks ago getting all the help you’re not entitled to, despite this being your country. And then elitist pricks like her will act shocked pikachu face when the natives suddenly get angry and do a “racism”. You can’t virtue signal a country into productivity, safety and happiness. Do grow the fuck up, Kate.
 
A mate of mine was on the social housing register. He went to see a couple of places but eventually noped out (a family member passed and left him their home in the will) after, on looking into the places, found that the properties he went to see had been given to illegal immigrants who had just used the places as an address to get mail to.

I've taken to snooping on rental websites and if I see anything that looks like a social home being sublet, I absolutely snitch and report it.

We should never, ever be giving first gen illegals housing here. Ever. If they don't come here for a specific highly paid job then they should not be here. And no,Nbugu the surgeon from rapeistan doesn't count.
 
I’ve not seen this reported anywhere but Starmer making an abortion loving fag hag the Archbishop of Canterbury
Sorry what? The fucking pm chooses the head of the church? Jesus christ no wonder it's so fucked. I didn't think the state was allowed to interfere with the church but apparently that's not real. So we have a fucking king who cares more about eid than Easter and kier who would happily let muslims continue what they have already started in murdering anyone who does not follow their paedo book? That whole thing with the dogshit blasphemy being stuck on the church makes a lot more sense now.
We should never, ever be giving first gen illegals housing here. Ever.
I'll go one step further. We should never give any housing or housing benefits or any form of accommodation to anyone who does not ethnically belong here. If you are not a briton you do not get any housing. If you cannot afford rent then you fuck off back home. If your input into this country is so little that you don't own earn to pay rent then you leave. We don't need a million minimum wage workers subsidized by the state, we have enough already and we have enough people who would gladly fill those jobs if they had the same bullshit racist support thrown behind them. Unless it's a week or two stay in a jail before being deported that is.
 
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