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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

You're going to make Lucy Connolly look like a fucking joke with shit like this, I swear. Big brother is watching, especially with the Ofcom shit.

I wish Starmer a very long life. I hope he makes it to the ton and gets a telegram from King William. Because that way he will have had decades of seeing everything he worked for turn to ashes, his name become synonymous with failure, his reputation destroyed. I want Sir Keir Starmer to see us leave the ECHR, deport millions of foreign parasites, see the Labour party collapse into nothingness, and have no response available to him other than to go on a podcast with a war criminal and a fire-damaged manikin and bleat about "the right side of history".

In summary: suffer, son of a toolmaker.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

I wish Starmer a very long life.

I do too. Afterall there is no worse natural fate than dementia.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

I do too. Afterall there is no worse natural fate than dementia.

Look at Thatcher, she practically got sent to the Shadow Dimension. In her last years, she was in dementia hell and stared endlessly at a portrait, unable to speak.

So, in international news, France is more than likely having to go to the IMF. Now the kicker is that Germany will oversee it as part of the EU agreement. There is a problem with this, though and that it will most likely be held in Euro bonds. France, believe it or not, is in a worse state than us but this will kill the Euro. Germany and Italy will take the brunt of this; both are incredibly fragile economically, and Germany will have to formally announce a recession, as they have been jimmying their numbers for years.

It is speculated by a lot of pundits that Macron will need to step down. This will isolate Starmer because Macron was the only one who really listened to him.

This will all come afoot on the 9th of September, so September is going to be an interesting month to follow.

 

[FedPostalService]

I will do some retard schizo maths and say that considering no foreigner is going to vote reform and that reform is the posterchild of anti immigration I would be willing to say that 44% of actual English people consider a complete stop of immigration to be the absolute number one desire out of the election above any other issue.

Remember, spics voted for Trump as they convinced themselves he was going to send all the blacks to Liberia.

Johnny Foreigner can be just as retarded as regular Joe Public.

 

[Clem Fandango]

Hate to praise India for anything, but their handling of illegal immigrants is exemplary, and we could learn a lot:

I see no reason we can't replicate this, just with "Andaman and Nicobar Islands" changed to "Sark and Alderney", and "Myanmar" changed to "France".

 

[3DS MAXIMUS]

Hate to praise India for anything, but their handling of illegal immigrants is exemplary, and we could learn a lot:

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I see know reason we can't replicate this, this "Andaman and Nicobar Islands" changed to "Sark and Alderney", and "Myanmar" changed to "France".

It's easy to keep out illegal immigrants if nobody wants to go there in the first place.

 

[Made In Wales]

I wish Starmer a very long life. I hope he makes it to the ton and gets a telegram from King William. Because that way he will have had decades of seeing everything he worked for turn to ashes, his name become synonymous with failure, his reputation destroyed. I want Sir Keir Starmer to see us leave the ECHR, deport millions of foreign parasites, see the Labour party collapse into nothingness, and have no response available to him other than to go on a podcast with a war criminal and a fire-damaged manikin and bleat about "the right side of history".

In summary: suffer, son of a toolmaker.

He hasn't got the brains nor common sense to work out that what he is doing is bad.

'but I'm doing a good job, and everybody who disagrees with me is a Far Right Thug!'

You'll never convince him otherwise.

Fair enough @Crunkle but don't just think it's the Far Right saying this, I've seen these exact words posted and spoken by the Far Left as well. People have had enough and aren't afraid of him or Labour.

Starmer clamping down on free speech has only had the opposite result - people are now going to speak out and don't give a shit about him, therefore he's as powerful as a limp penis.

Anyway, as Reform UK push towards 40% of the vote, the pressure's on Rayner for avoiding paying tax on a third property (rules for thee etc.) and a Ghanaian drug dealer gets to stay in the UK because reasons. Don't you just love Clown World Central?

 

[Muad'Dick]

He hasn't got the brains nor common sense to work out that what he is doing is bad.

I think he and his cohorts are fully aware that what they're doing is bad. The coin flip comes into play when you start looking into why they haven't course-corrected.

They knew exactly what they inherited from the Tories but it took violence (ie last year's protests) for them to even acknowledge the problem. Was this out of malice or incompetence?

Even a bunch of spergs online know about the barriers in place that hamstring the problem being fixed, such as the ECHR and the Home Office, but why has it taken so long for these to enter the public arena? These aren't new issues. Its great that you've now got people in the mainstream media even discussing the idea of leaving the ECHR, but why has it taken this long?

I don't think they even believe in the rhetoric they use. They know it isn't the far-right that is behind the current unrest, but it generates a useful image in people's heads when you're trying to combat it.

Don't get hoodwinked into thinking the people in power aren't aware of what they're doing.

 

[Made In Wales]

I think he and his cohorts are fully aware that what they're doing is bad. The coin flip comes into play when you start looking into why they haven't course-corrected.

They knew exactly what they inherited from the Tories but it took violence (ie last year's protests) for them to even acknowledge the problem. Was this out of malice or incompetence?

Even a bunch of spergs online know about the barriers in place that hamstring the problem being fixed, such as the ECHR and the Home Office, but why has it taken so long for these to enter the public arena? These aren't new issues. Its great that you've now got people in the mainstream media even discussing the idea of leaving the ECHR, but why has it taken this long?

I don't think they even believe in the rhetoric they use. They know it isn't the far-right that is behind the current unrest, but it generates a useful image in people's heads when you're trying to combat it.

Don't get hoodwinked into thinking the people in power aren't aware of what they're doing.

Good point, but they must be either blindly pompous or thick to think that there will not be a rebellion from the public.

What they didn't count on IMO was Trump winning in 2024 - he's the fly in the ointment and he's made it impossible for Starmer to do what he wants without being called out.

Without Trump, it would have been easier with Kamala in lockstep.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Even a bunch of spergs online know about the barriers in place that hamstring the problem being fixed, such as the ECHR and the Home Office, but why has it taken so long for these to enter the public arena?

Old men in pubs have been saying to get rid of human rights for as long as I've been able to drink. The Sun saying human rights let a rapist stay here has turned everyone against human rights.

 

[The best and greatest]

I don't know about you bongbros but this hatchet girl story and the things some faggots who shit up the forum have been saying makes me desperately wish Null would add a :sick fuck: sticker

We have a lot of stickers for different emotions and reactions. We have the horror react but even thats not quite right. I want a sticker that allows me to call someone out as a sick evil freak of nature who's death would be a marked improvement of the world without having to @ them.

No, the islamic content sticker doesn't count

 

[Muad'Dick]

Without Trump, it would have been easier with Kamala in lockstep.

Don't get pulled into the theatre. Just because Hulk Hogan beat The Ultimate Warrior, doesn't mean the British Bulldog's job is any easier. This is something that transcends party politics. There are bigger forces at work here. Just look into the organisations involved (and profiting) from this, like Serco.

Old men in pubs have been saying to get rid of human rights for as long as I've been able to drink. The Sun saying human rights let a rapist stay here has turned everyone against human rights.

Its been a topic of conversation for years for people that gave the subject more than just a cursory glance. To see the idea of leaving the ECHR being pushed on prime time TV as you're tucking into your dinner is a first though.

 

[Clem Fandango]

Its been a topic of conversation for years for people that gave the subject more than just a cursory glance. To see the idea of leaving the ECHR being pushed on prime time TV as you're tucking into your dinner is a first though.

You want a real barometer of change? Didn't Made in Wales post a story a few pages back about Rylan backing mass deportations?

Fucking Rylan.

Doesn't get much more socially acceptable than that. Now everyone can say it.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Even a bunch of spergs online know about the barriers in place that hamstring the problem being fixed, such as the ECHR and the Home Office, but why has it taken so long for these to enter the public arena? These aren't new issues. Its great that you've now got people in the mainstream media even discussing the idea of leaving the ECHR, but why has it taken this long?

Optics.

I know, I know, but it's true. It's the convention on human rights. A lot of people are, or were convinced it's the only thing between them and jack-booted thugs marching down every street, or the government installing chips in their brains. To even broach the topic of repealing it will get the immediate, screeching response of "why do you want to take away my rights?!?" I've seen people claiming that the ECHR protects overtime and the minimum wage, that it gives them the right to drive, the right to vote, the right to own a house, the right to visit A&E, and the right to claim a pension. It's human rights. The fact that it's a profoundly proscriptive document that grants governments immense, unaccountable powers to constrain and repress the individual is irrelevant. They haven't read the ECHR or the Human Rights Act. They just know it's called Human Rights, so taking it away means you're a nazi who wants to kill them.

They are ignorant of the reality that the ECHR protects no rights whatsoever. Russia was a signatory of the ECHR until 2022. During its membership, it routinely locked people up for objectively oppressive reasons, murdered politicians, and invaded multiple countries. What rights was the ECHR protecting then? What power does it actually have, other than the power granted to it by the state? The political class love the ECHR, because all of its notwithstanding clauses let them do whatever they want.

So that's why. People are ignorant about what it actually is and the politicians all think it's the dog's bollocks, and it might as well be called the "not killing babies and raping puppies because I'm a good fucking person" act. It takes decades of build-up to overcome such a huge psychological barrier as that. That's why it's only happening now.

 

[Made In Wales]

Yet more bad news for Liebour:

Ministers didn't do cost review of council mergers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9wxnlnrxdo

https://archive.ph/8N5V3

Rayner has to be sacked.

 

[Nopenopenope]

It's looking very likely the Epping hotel injunction is about to be lifted, judge is talking about how the injunction was an error as the needs and rights of asylum seekers must be met by law. I don't think there is an equivalent law if you are a native here, fuck you.

Will this finally be the tipping point? It all feels very low level at the moment, a few flags, protests that don't have the same level of violence as the Southport ones. Being told the boat niggers have more rights than you, will that be enough?

 

[Muad'Dick]

Optics.

Yup. We're going to see some interesting framing by the talking heads in the next few weeks/months as they try to get out in front of what is happening.

When people are invested enough to take time out of their day to wave a flag in front of a migrant hotel, they're invested enough to learn about the hows and whys of what is happening, and they're doing exactly that.

I've said it before, but it wasn't that long ago that immigration was a taboo subject in politics. If any politician spoke about immigration in anything other than the context of it being a good thing and infinity browns are a net benefit for the nation, then comparisons to Nick "buy my capes" Griftin' would follow soon after. Now it is the subject on the table and it has taken over the news cycle.

I'm just counting the days until someone on TV or some rent-a-journo online says the Magna Carta was anti-semitic. It was.

 

[Crunkle]

Will this finally be the tipping point?

Appealing this was the worst thing the gov could've done. All it'll do is harden tensions and it was correct since there were more fights at Epping outside the hotel last night. I don't even see how this will stop other court cases going ahead for every single migrant hotel since the decision the government put ahead in the appeal was specifically about Epping.

This could bring the courts to a standstill for a few months which seems like a retarded idea considering we've already got a backlog in the court system.

 

[Russian Bot #5361]

They are ignorant of the reality that the ECHR protects no rights whatsoever. Russia was a signatory of the ECHR until 2022. During its membership, it routinely locked people up for objectively oppressive reasons, murdered politicians, and invaded multiple countries. What rights was the ECHR protecting then? What power does it actually have, other than the power granted to it by the state? The political class love the ECHR, because all of its notwithstanding clauses let them do whatever they want.

Fun fact, the Russian state would annually budget a part of its Government spending to pay off ECHR judgements / fines. As it turns out, if the punishment for doing something is a fine, it just becomes the cost of doing business.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

That is genuinely insane.

A Lib Dem MP wrote to Yvette Cooper to request investigating Zia Yusuf on terrorism grounds for the speech he made over payments to the Afghani government in exchange for taking back their stinkers.

Not really, it's a paddy over the Palestine Action thing. They want to try to twist the two-tier accusations around since in their mind they think this would be a success, neglecting to realise that by this logic we could jail every single charity, NGO or MP agitating for aid to Gaza.

So I hope it goes through and we pack our prisons with people who deserve to be in there.

Yet more bad news for Liebour:

Ministers didn't do cost review of council mergers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9wxnlnrxdo

https://archive.ph/8N5V3

Rayner has to be sacked.

Not surprising but hilarious.

The UK government did not do its own analysis of the cost of the biggest reorganisation of councils in England for decades, the BBC has learned.

Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner said "a significant amount of money" could be saved by merging councils in 21 areas into single authorities.

Rayner's department, the ministry of local government, based its cost estimates on a 2020 report commissioned by the County Council Network (CCN) that said £2.9bn could be saved over five years.

But the CCN has since revised its analysis and now says the reorganisation could make no savings and actually cost money in some scenarios.
Tim Oliver, chairman of the CCN, said local government reorganisation "could unlock billions in efficiency savings to be reinvested in frontline services", if it was delivered at the right scale.

Oliver said the CCN supported the government's reforms but added: "We are concerned over the potential costs of reorganisation where proposals seek to replace the two-tier system with multiple small unitary councils."

A two-tier system means responsibilities are split between a county council and district councils.

Councils involved in the reorganisation have been submitting plans to create new local authorities in their areas.

Some have proposed setting up multiple smaller unitary authorities in their areas.

In Essex, for example, the county council has proposed three new unitary authorities in the region.

The government will decide which proposals to take forward and intends to inform most councils next year.

A government spokesperson insisted the reorganisation "will improve services and save taxpayers' money".

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Ministers talked up the potential to save money as one of the main benefits of local government reorganisation.

Speaking to MPs in June, Rayner said: "Local government reorganisation will lead to better outcomes for residents and save a significant amount of money that can be reinvested in public services and improve accountability."

But her department insisted it was not necessary to commission separate in-house analysis of the cost of reorganisation at the public's expense, in response to the BBC's freedom of information request.

The government's savings estimates were based on data produced by PwC, an accounting firm, and analysis by the CCN, a cross-party lobbyist group.

A PwC report in 2020 estimated potential savings of £2.9bn over five years if all councils in two-tier areas were replaced by single authorities.

But in updated analysis this year, the CCN said the reorganisation could cost £850m over five years and deliver no savings if 58 new councils, based on a minimum population of 300,000, were created in all 21 two-tier areas.

"Under this scenario no long-term efficiency savings would be delivered, meaning it would be more efficient to retain the current two-tier system in England," the CCN's analysis said.

Oliver said the CCN's analysis showed "that splitting county areas into unitary councils with populations as small as 300,000 will create hundreds of millions of new unsustainable costs for local taxpayers".

The councillor said the government must ensure the new councils created are the right size to achieve efficiencies, improve capacity and withstand financial shocks.

"Failure to do so could pile further strain on already under pressure care services and at a time when many county and district authorities could see their funding reduced," Oliver said.

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The District Councils' Network (DCN) said the reorganisation could produce poor results given the funding pressures already facing local government.

"It's astonishing that the government has undertaken no independent analysis before embarking on the biggest reorganisation of councils for 50 years," said Sam Chapman-Allen, chair of the District Councils' Network.

"Mega councils, with populations of half a million people or more, could be imposed on areas when there's no independent, up-to-date evidence to justify councils of this size, and many large councils created previously are struggling financially."

The DCN said it was not too late for the government to commission analysis on the optimal size of councils to maximise potential savings.

Liberal Democrat deputy leader Daisy Cooper said: "It beggars belief that the government has embarked on a huge reorganisation of vital services, in a way which piles even more costs onto councils, whose finances are already on the brink."

Stephen Atkinson, Reform UK leader of Lancashire County Council, said: "It is extraordinary that Angela Rayner is pushing ahead with these huge changes to local government without either proper consultation or any independent analysis of how much it might actually cost.

"To make fundamental changes to 20 councils in one year is unprecedented and will lead to vulnerable children and adults falling between the gaps."

The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government said: "Councils across the country have also told us that bringing services together under one roof means residents get joined-up support when they need it most, while clearer structures mean people know exactly who's responsible for delivering their services.

"Councils will also develop their own proposals for how reorganisation works best in their areas, as we fix the foundations of local government through our Plan for Change."