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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Bog-standard Poster said:
3rd-world eastern European hospitals
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I ended up having to have some serious treatment/surgery in Bosnia and it was leagues better than anything I had to have done in the UK. Unfortunately Australia is going the way of the UK with an understaffed and oversubscribed healthcare system. They can't even steal the UK healthcare staff at a good enough rate anymore so they've looked towards the Indian continent and their fake degree factories instead.
 
BrightonAndHoveAlbion said:
I ended up having to have some serious treatment/surgery in Bosnia and it was leagues better than anything I had to have done in the UK. Unfortunately Australia is going the way of the UK with an understaffed and oversubscribed healthcare system. They can't even steal the UK healthcare staff at a good enough rate anymore so they've looked towards the Indian continent and their fake degree factories instead.
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Horrifying. I think it's by design that the social health care system is being destroyed. It being sold to private equity firms is a bonus, i just think it's a way to excuse more wogs coming in to kill whitey.
 

Clem Fandango said:
On a separate note, how shit are the trains? While I'm trying to sort this out I've been shuttling up and down the country every week between Norf and Lahndan on the trains. I'm now a month into this, and there is not one train ticket that I've not had at least partially refunded through delay repay. They're literally never on time. How is Avanti West Coast making any money whatsoever?
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Just gone down to London and my train was cancelled AGAIN. Is delay repay going to end when all these franchises are nationalised? Because right now I'm travelling up and down for free (as long as I don't value my time, which I don't).
 
Bog-standard Poster said:
i just think it's a way to excuse more wogs coming in to kill whitey
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I've flown back into the UK to see my family for a while and the arrivals section at the airport in Oz was 95% Indians and Chinese. Some will be tourists of course but guaranteed most of them will be emigrating to do bullshit jobs on their bullshit degrees. Same story in the Heathrow arrivals really. I never wanted to believe in the white replacement theory but I feel like it's proven every day in Anglosphere countries.
 
Clem Fandango said:
Just gone down to London and my train was cancelled AGAIN. Is delay repay going to end when all these franchises are nationalised? Because right now I'm travelling up and down for free (as long as I don't value my time, which I don't).
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This is the second time in 48 hours that I've heard about Avanti fucking up.

On Saturday, according to a 'Matthew Nichols' stated that disabled people were kicked out of a train carriage at a West Coast Main Line station so that a bunch of celebrities could all travel together.

Rumours are that the station was Crewe and the celebrities are 'Hollyoaks' stars.

However, Matthew won't say much more than that:

 
BrightonAndHoveAlbion said:
I've flown back into the UK to see my family for a while and the arrivals section at the airport in Oz was 95% Indians and Chinese. Some will be tourists of course but guaranteed most of them will be emigrating to do bullshit jobs on their bullshit degrees. Same story in the Heathrow arrivals really. I never wanted to believe in the white replacement theory but I feel like it's proven every day in Anglosphere countries.
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Same when flying into the UK in the airports up norfff. Manchester airport is just Terminal 3 for Bangladesh airport. Luton is weird mix between alluha-ackbar air and Jerusalem direct. Most supermarkets in the true norff are a mix-bag of nuts of languages. Urdu, Punjab, Slovak, Nignog and tongue-clickers.
I'm never happy to go back to the UK other than the amazement of how much of a foreign country it has turned into in two decades.
 
Mound Dweller said:
The "cleaning" is a joke, they don't have actually "cleaners" anymore or even good old "environmental health workers" either, it's all "patient services" which is some newspeak gibberish which means some amorphous blob of kitchens porting and actually scrubbing the damn floors.
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They outsourced all of that to contractors years back. Hospitals used to have dedicated cleaning (and cooking, and maintenance) staff on salary, but some wag decided it would be more "efficient" to subcontract all the work so they didn't have to pay out so much on pensions and NICs. Hygiene standards immediately went into the shitter and have never recovered, but nobody dares to admit it.
 
I visited someone I know in hospital years back and they had a chest drain - the container the draining was going into was sat in a pile of dust bunnies, and the rails of the bed had dried blood and fluids on. We went back with bleach, wipes and gloves and did our best, but even her sheets were dirty when they went on the bed, it was disgraceful. Raised a complaint for her and it was ignored. Hygiene is non negotiable in healthcare. Don’t get me started on the random people with ‘mops’ going around speeding fikthy water and using the same one in toilets and in rooms. There used to be real standards of cleanliness and now there are none
 
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They outsourced all of that to contractors years back. Hospitals used to have dedicated cleaning (and cooking, and maintenance) staff on salary, but some wag decided it would be more "efficient" to subcontract all the work so they didn't have to pay out so much on pensions and NICs. Hygiene standards immediately went into the shitter and have never recovered, but nobody dares to admit it.
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Yep, hence the voluntary redundancies, not everyone took it though hence the hangers on.
The few that remain who do now go never get replaced, they just bring in more agency staff, which universally means shit performance cause it's all the bullshit of the corpo sphere with it's greed of marginal money chasing with none of the advantages of chaotic destructive rebirth since rnhs can nevah be allowed to combust.
Burn it, burn it all.
 
teriyakiburns said:
They outsourced all of that to contractors years back. Hospitals used to have dedicated cleaning (and cooking, and maintenance) staff on salary, but some wag decided it would be more "efficient" to subcontract all the work so they didn't have to pay out so much on pensions and NICs. Hygiene standards immediately went into the shitter and have never recovered, but nobody dares to admit it.
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The UK has a serious problem with subcontracting. This issue is endemic to the UK economy as a whole and not isolated to the healthcare sector. Giant corporations like Serco are bidding on large contracts and subcontracting them out multiple times over, meaning there is little oversight on the performance of these sub-subcontractors. This creates issues relating to the performance of the work, but also in relation to liability, as the lowest rung of the subcontractors are responsible. This also has the effect of reducing margins for smaller companies, who are at the lowest level, as they have to give cuts to several companies above them. The government ought to seriously reconsider the contracts given out and include no subcontracting provisions.
 
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The UK has a serious problem with subcontracting. This issue is endemic to the UK economy as a whole and not isolated to the healthcare sector. Giant corporations like Serco are bidding on large contracts and subcontracting them out multiple times over, meaning there is little oversight on the performance of these sub-subcontractors. This creates issues relating to the performance of the work, but also in relation to liability, as the lowest rung of the subcontractors are responsible. This also has the effect of reducing margins for smaller companies, who are at the lowest level, as they have to give cuts to several companies above them. The government ought to seriously reconsider the contracts given out and include no subcontracting provisions.
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You're right on the money. I once worked contract roles of various flavours and was once sub contracted by a sub contractor. Our job was...to do nothing. Literally. There was no work for us. I would have moved on but the money we earned was ludicrous. The whole deal, from what I could understand, was keeping numbers in the factory to win government contracts worth hundreds of millions, so the millions they wasted on wages was worth it.

Then you look at the building sector and...lol,lmao off. companies hire contractors who hire sub contractors who hire sub contractors who hire agencies to hire agency workers from the dole office. It's madness.
 
I absolutely fucking hate subcontracting, if I was PM I'd ban it outright as it'd actually allow people to bid for contracts and be able to fucking deliver them. Hell if I had the power I'd make under delivering on government/public service contracts an act of treason and have monthly televised executions but that's just me.

The death of subcontracting would also see the end of Deliveroo being staffed entirely by boatpeople. I actively refuse to use UBER and any fucking delivery apps as I know it's contributing towards the people of boat finding jobs while students and the poor are told to eat shit and try harder with their job searches.
 
According to Starmer it's Russia's fault we are in a cost of living crisis and that's why we should focus on more military spending and foreign wars.

If a fraction of the money and effort that has been spent on foreign interests was directed to things people actually want like functioning hospitals, there probably wouldn't be as many things to complain about.
 
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According to Starmer it's Russia's fault we are in a cost of living crisis and that's why we should focus on more military spending and foreign wars.

If a fraction of the money and effort that has been spent on foreign interests was directed to things people actually want like functioning hospitals, there probably wouldn't be as many things to complain about.
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People aren't buying Labour's lies anymore and it's delicious to see both sides piling it on against them.

I still think Starmer and Labour will be toast soon - don't forget, Trump's not happy with Starmer over the Lucy Connolly situation and the last thing Starmer wants to do is get on his bad side.

Also, God and nature issue a strong 'fuck you' to Miliband:

 
See the only thing I'm worried about is that Reform didn't expect to be getting this big this soon, pushing as a strong alternative and not almost odds on favourites for the next election.

I can totally see Farage step down before the election to try and sabotage it but the public are so wound up right now they'll vote for the furthest right alternative that pops up from the ashes.
 
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See the only thing I'm worried about is that Reform didn't expect to be getting this big this soon, pushing as a strong alternative and not almost odds on favourites for the next election.

I can totally see Farage step down before the election to try and sabotage it but the public are so wound up right now they'll vote for the furthest right alternative that pops up from the ashes.
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I think that if the GE comes sooner than expected (i.e. this year) he'll stay as PM for two/three years.

After that it's mission accomplished and a new PM (whoever he/she may be) will then have the harder task of keeping Reform UK in power.

In some ways it's a bit like Klopp and Slot at Liverpool FC - Klopp (Farage) will be needed to get Reform UK to the top of the table and win them the big prize, but Slot (whoever) will then be tasked with ensuring that they keep winning time after time.

Farage may want a way out, but he has to see this through if only for his own vanity - he started this, he'll finish it or he'll unleash hell because if Reform UK won't do it then I foresee a civil war.

'The Army will defend us' - mate, there's more people in Merthyr Tydfil than in the Army.

Starmer did this to himself and he deserves to burn in hell for all he's done - especially now saying that we need to be on a war footing and that we must be prepared to play (or pay) our part.

He can fuck off with that - if he thinks a war with Russia (doing a 'Falklands' but for no gain at all) will save him then he is not just mistaken and deluded, he is Colombian Marching Powder insane.


Let him try, the country will grind to a halt in days and he'll be offed.
 
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Absolutely no one in the birth industry in the UK will admit this or look at it too closely, but we already have more than enough data to demonstrate the rate of severe maternal and neonatal injury is around four to five times higher in labours managed by midwives as opposed to obstetricians.

This crunchy bullshit about 'overmedicalisation' and 'patient choice' leaves frightened women in the hands of angry women shouting at them to Just Try Harder and Breathe Deeply (lmfaoooo yes breathing is going to help there is an entire fucking human trying to emerge from my flesh) and failing to intervene at the appropriate time. A midwife managed labour is how you end up with an emergency section. It's how you end up with 'failure to progress' when you can't fucking progress and the cavalry should have been called several hours ago before the foetal heart trace and the blood gases started to look deadly. It's how you end up with women too exhausted to actually deliver and torn by 'assisted' delivery.

Having an actively managed delivery with the twins as opposed to a "lol you're in God's hands now" bullshit it-happens-when-it-happens shitshow with the first three was like a fucking revelation. Decisions were actively made in plenty of time to make everything as safe and easy as it could be for me and them. Someone gave me drugs. I could not contrast it more with the absolute bin fire of Three's bungled delivery which very nearly put me - and Three - in a fucking pine box.

This ideological - and it IS ideological - insistence on active labour being actively managed by midwives alone in this country quadraspazzes babies and shreds mothers every week in this country, and the insistence that This Is Natural And Best is nothing but fucking propaganda. If I'm doing something where I might die, get a fucking doctor there. The experience of being on the high-risk pathway and having consultant-led care is fucking incomparable from this Call The Midwife bullshit the low-risk are subjected to.

I have a lot of thoughts and feelings on this issue but there's nothing I can do about any of it except thank God I am still alive and the weans are all fine. Which incidentally does not make any of it 'all's well that ends well'. It's not fucking alright that almost without exception, every mother in this country has horror tales of her pregnancy and maternity care. It's not alright that this is happening.
 
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