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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Man arrested after entering hospital with crossbow:


Should we play 'guess the race' I wonder?

NHS failings in Nottingham as two men with paranoid schizophrenia stabbed members of the public in separate attacks weeks before Valdo Calocane's killings in Nottingham – and all were under the care of the same NHS trust:


Speaking of the 'wonderful' NHS, Doctor's set to strike (again, again, again...)


Oh, and one absolute humdinger of a story from Cardiff... 'have you got a loicence for that water pistol?'

 
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Made In Wales said:
Man arrested after entering hospital with crossbow:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5ewzqzlkko
Should we play 'guess the race' I wonder?
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I'm not playing that game this time. The last newsworthy dickhead with a crossbow was a jilted White twat. He did some nasty things to some innocent ladies – his ex and her family – then mangled his own guts somehow. It was fucking awful. Absolute cunt. I'm just glad that he's suffering. Knobhead.

BBC News - Crossbow killer Kyle Clifford jailed for triple murders - BBC News

Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but this hospital crossbow twat wasn't a knifer, not a usual suspect. Dickhead with a bow. Either way he can go to hell.

One of the WhatTheTrans podcasters spent his weekend firing a crossbow at a polystyrene zombie head. He did so from the comfort of his electric wheelchair. When he goes rogue it'll be like a tranny dalek.

 
Made In Wales said:
Oh, and one absolute humdinger of a story from Cardiff... 'have you got a loicence for that water pistol?'
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Not that uncommon to be honest. Until I see footage proving differently I assume it's likely been modified to resemble an actual gun. We've surprisingly detailed laws surrounding that and I've had conversations with people from LARPers to NERF gun tinkerers who are all astounded to see the legislation and how easy it is to fall afoul of it.

Or to consider it differently it's the same scenario as that American one where some random child was using a fake gun to threaten passers by and ended up shot by the police. There's a reason why people are told not to make fake firearms look like real ones in many countries.
 
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Not that uncommon to be honest. Until I see footage proving differently I assume it's likely been modified to resemble an actual gun.
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Doesn't even need to be modified. You can buy these on amazon right now:

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They're two-tone, so technically compliant with the law on RIFs, but if you saw the grey one from a distance or just for a moment, you'd be forgiven for mistaking it for a real gun. And of course, go into any reasonably sized paki shop and you can find sinister black water pistols for a fiver.
 
Made In Wales said:
Man arrested after entering hospital with crossbow:


Should we play 'guess the race' I wonder?

NHS failings in Nottingham as two men with paranoid schizophrenia stabbed members of the public in separate attacks weeks before Valdo Calocane's killings in Nottingham – and all were under the care of the same NHS trust:


Speaking of the 'wonderful' NHS, Doctor's set to strike (again, again, again...)


Oh, and one absolute humdinger of a story from Cardiff... 'have you got a loicence for that water pistol?'

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I just want to ask, are you Welsh? I just have a feeling you are.
 
teriyakiburns said:
Doesn't even need to be modified. You can buy these on amazon right now:
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Yep, second ones are a perfect example since while the two tone should be obvious enough they're borderline, especially depending on the angle they are seen at.

I've not been involved myself but know plenty of anecdotal instances of it happening. In fairness we tend not to have too many deaths resulting from it so it does seem they largely go in cautiously but it can easily go wrong.
 
Coolio55 said:
work camps for criminals
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Hold some giant debt over their heads
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This system has many benefits
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This is called "indentured servitude" and it's a terrible idea. America tried it for a while. It always ends up in the lower classes being press ganged into some sort of debt so they can be enslaved by an upper class shithead, who then has absolutely no reason to care for the well being of the slave because they will supposedly eventually work off their debt and be free, so the slaves are mistreated so poorly that they're basically dead by the time it comes to leave.

Think what you want of the lower classes, but whatever comes for them comes for the middle classes right after, and even I started out as lower class, but I post proudly, racistly, with you all here in this Greggs today.
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This is now the bread thread.
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It started as the Greggs thread, which calls itself a bakery. It was always the bread thread.

Someone mentioned tiger bread earlier so I tried that out. Just that toasted and salted butter. It was very bland, but in a nice way. I think I'd prefer it with olive oil, tomatoes, and some mashed up avocado, with some cracked black pepper on top, but it wasn't the worst thing I've eaten while I've been here. More cuisine suggestions welcome.
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None of these address the fundamental problem, which is that responsibility for dealing with community issues has been deferred to the authorities, where prior to around the late 60s and early 70s it would have been dealt with by responsible adults in the community
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The problem is fatherlessness, and to a supporting degree antinatalism. Kill all these harlots who champion childlessness as if it's an inherently good thing and sneer at women who want to become mothers, and give fathers incentives to stick around long enough to realize that being a dad is actually quite good.
 
Why is buying a house so shit in this country? I mean the actual process. Everyone overvalues their house, puts it on for too much and then you have to start at a massively low offer and incrementally creep your way up. Then you end up in a bidding war with other buyers, you've got to deal with estate agents and their obvious self-interest, and don't even get me started on the fucking chains...

Is it like this abroad? Why can't I just go on a website and add a house to my basket?
 
Clem Fandango said:
Why is buying a house so shit in this country? I mean the actual process. Everyone overvalues their house, puts it on for too much and then you have to start at a massively low offer and incrementally creep your way up. Then you end up in a bidding war with other buyers, you've got to deal with estate agents and their obvious self-interest, and don't even get me started on the fucking chains...

Is it like this abroad? Why can't I just go on a website and add a house to my basket?
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Because they finally want to move into their dream home after taking their first step up the property ladder. :optimistic:

The people selling are either house flippers intending to make a profit from a shit situation or people who bought the house as a "starter home" (the fact I still hear this spoken about by some people as being viable is insane to me — fucking Americans), but the problem now is, as you already know, house prices have vaulted sky high from 30 years ago so if they intend to move somewhere new and with their pride intact they sell at the cost of their desired property with a markup on top or put it to auction and hope bidding leads to them getting more than what the house is worth. Selling quick, in the way you want, usually takes 15-20% off the overall value — fuck knows — so maximise return they either put it too high or deceive you into thinking a bargain is possible with a low price at auction.

estate agents and their obvious self-interest
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It's not just them. The house owners themselves can be cunts. My aunt told me a story once of when her brother-in-law got into one of those bidding wars and thought he cinched a good deal on a house since it was 8k below market value. Then the owners of the property said it wasn't high enough and voided the auction entirely only to put it back up for one later. This was around 2007 or so. I hope those fuckers felt stupid when the prices crashed the year after.

Strip middle-class families of child benefit, Rayner urges Reeves
Angela Rayner urged Rachel Reeves to strip middle-class families of child benefit payments, The Telegraph can reveal.
The Deputy Prime Minister pressed the Treasury to “claw back” the benefit from households where the highest earner’s salary was between £50,000 and £80,000.
That would reverse an announcement by the Conservatives in March 2024 that was predicted to save half a million families an average of £1,300 a year.
Ms Rayner’s proposal was contained in the same leaked memo, first reported by The Telegraph on Tuesday, in which she suggested eight tax rises and a curb on benefits for recently arrived immigrants.

The latest revelation shows the breadth of economic changes Ms Rayner, the most prominent figure from the Left in government, was pushing for in mid-March, in a significant challenge to the Chancellor.
Ms Rayner’s proposals went far beyond her brief and are evidence of a power struggle in the Cabinet over using spending cuts rather than tax rises to fill a black hole in the nation’s finances.
The Telegraph is today publishing the memo in full.

Bruising day​

Ms Reeves, the Chancellor, faced a bruising day on Wednesday after details of the leaked document emerged and Sir Keir Starmer announced an about-turn on her abolition of the universal winter fuel payment. She is out of the country at a G7 finance minister meeting in Canada.
Left-wing MPs have leapt on the memo, and are already calling on Sir Keir to go further, backing Ms Rayner’s call for a tax raid on savers and urging the Prime Minister to scrap planned welfare cuts.
The memo admitted that the change to child benefit rules would be “contentious” but said the Government could argue that the Tories had never fully funded the policy in the first place.

Jeremy Hunt, the Conservative chancellor who announced the change in his 2024 Spring Budget, warned Labour against reversing it.
Mr Hunt said: “This may look like a relatively minor budget measure but was one of the most popular things we did because it helped striving middle-class families struggling with childcare costs.
“Abandoning them would finally confirm that far from being a New Labour government, this is a traditional anti-aspiration Old Labour government.”
Parents can currently claim £1,355 a year in child benefit for a first child and £897 a year for any additional child.
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There is no limit on how many children a parent can claim for. The “two-child benefit cap”, which has been heavily criticised by some Labour MPs, refers to access to Universal Credit.
However, there are salary limits for who can claim child benefit. These are not based on how much a household collectively earns but how much the highest earner makes – a point of controversy.
Under the old rules, a household started to lose child benefit if the highest earner made £50,000 a year. It was then gradually removed, with all child benefit lost if the highest earner made over £60,000.

Mr Hunt changed those levels. Under the current rules, a household only starts losing child benefit when the highest earner makes £60,000 a year and it is lost entirely at £80,000.
This is the change the Rayner memo proposed reversing.
The relevant section reads:

Reverse the changes to the High Income Child Benefit charge:
High Income Child Benefit Charge provides for Child Benefit to be clawed back through the tax system from families where the highest earner has an income above a set threshold. At Spring Budget 2024, the previous government increased the threshold from £50,000 to £60,000 and made changes to the taper rate - as a result the system was made more generous to families, with their child benefit only withdrawn completely when their income reaches £80,000. These two changes were forecast to cost c.600m a year, which could be saved if they were reversed on the grounds that they added to the welfare budget without being properly funded.
Extract from Angela Rayner's memo
Above the section of the memo detailing both the child benefit proposal and the suggestion to limit welfare benefits for recently arrived immigrants, revealed by The Telegraph on Wednesday, it is acknowledged how tricky these two ideas would be to deliver.
The memo states: “Two additional proposals are worth potential consideration but would be more contentious, and potentially take longer to deliver or implement.”
Treasury estimates released when Mr Hunt announced his child benefit change give an indication of how many people would be affected by Ms Rayner’s proposal.
The Treasury said that 170,000 families would be able to keep child benefit in full. In total, 485,000 families were estimated to gain an average of £1,260 in the 2024 financial year.
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The Treasury estimated those benefiting would include senior police officers, junior doctors, deputy headteachers and IT managers.
The Office for Budget Responsibility, the Government’s independent economic forecaster, also said there would be a resultant boost in working hours that would be the equivalent of 10,000 people taking up jobs.

Mr Hunt, in addition, announced a longer-term review of using total household income rather than highest-earner salary as the metric for deciding who would get child benefit but Labour has dropped the idea.
There has been no public indication that the Treasury is considering the Rayner memo proposal on child benefit.
Money-saving measures are, however, expected to be required to hit borrowing targets at the Autumn Budget.
Figures close to Ms Reeves have reacted to the leaked memo by stressing that it is she as Chancellor, not Ms Rayner as Deputy Prime Minister, who sets taxation and spending policy.
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>Rayner a shoe-in to replace Keir
>Rayner memo is leaked
>turns out she's advising Reeves — the most unpopular member of Kier's cabinet behind himself — what to cut, mostly benefits

It feels like almost like a blatant attempt to fuck over Rayner? I doubt most people will hear of this but the party itself will and so in a potential leadership content their votes might go elsewhere. Fucking hell that might actually make Mahmood viable if so. If Labour ends up sacking Kier and she ends up winning by virtue of being the least unpopular woman in Kier's cabinet I'm going to have egg on my face.

Badenoch drops to worst Ipsos favourability score as Conservative leader, while Farage continues to top ratings
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Why is Boris still relevant?
  • 31% hold a favourable opinion of Reform UK leader Nigel Farage. Half (50%) are unfavourable, giving him a net favourability rating of -19, similar to last month. His net ratings among Reform’s 2024 voters are a very positive +76, +4 among 2024 Conservatives, but -41 among 2024 Labour voters.
  • 23% of Britons have a favourable view of Prime Minister Keir Starmer, the same as last month. 54% are unfavourable, giving him a net approval rating of -31.
  • 17% hold a favourable opinion of leader of the opposition Kemi Badenoch and 49% unfavourable, giving her a net rating of -32, down from -25 last month. Her unfavourable score of 49% is her worst since becoming Conservative party leader (the previous low was 46% in January this year).
  • Shadow Justice Secretary Robert Jenrick follows closely behind, with 16% favourable and 38% unfavourable (net -22).
  • Amid rumours that former Prime Minister Boris Johnson wishes to return to front line politics, 26% are favourable towards him, while 52% are unfavourable, giving him a net rating of -26. His ratings are marginally better than Rishi Sunak’s, who has a net rating of -32.
  • Among 2024 Conservative voters, Kemi Badenoch receives a positive net rating of +23, Robert Jenrick’s score is +22, both behind former leaders Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson who each have a net rating of +33 (Johnson receives the best score among 2024 Reform voters of +5, compared with Sunak on -45, Jenrick -12, and Badenoch -36).
  • A quarter (25%) hold a favourable view of Liberal Democrat leader Ed Davey, while 32% are unfavourable, giving him a net score of -7. This is the lowest amount of unfavourability of any politician polled, but he also receives a relatively high number of neutrals and don’t knows (43%).
  • 16% of Britons hold a favourable view of Chancellor Rachel Reeves. 53% are unfavourable, giving her a net favourability rating of -37, little changed from -40 last month.
  • Among other Labour Cabinet Ministers, Angela Rayner and Ed Miliband receive slightly less criticism than Rachel Reeves, with net ratings of -24 and -26 respectively.
  • Among Labour 2024 voters, Keir Starmer receives a positive net favourability rating of +24, compared with 0 for Rachel Reeves, +20 for Angela Rayner, and +16 for Ed Miliband.
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Except that Starmer will not have any dissent and he'll throw his toys out of the pram if there's any chance of this happening.

Starmer is the bratty kid who always has to have it his way, and if he doesn't win he'll throw a temper tantrum and smash his toys up just to show everybody how upset and hurt he is.

He won't have a VONC, he'd call for a GE before that happens even if it means destroying the party.

In the end, it might not be a bad idea to do that:

1) He can deselect anybody not 100% loyal to the Starmer Party.
2) He can try to out-Farage Reform UK by saying that the UK will quit the ECHR and fuck the French over if they don't stop sending rapefugees over as part of the campaigning.
3) When he does lose, he'll still make millions from the Academic Touring Circuit.
4) It means Rayner can never be PM and no rebellion against him was allowed to happen.

What means more to Starmer? Stopping Rayner or losing power but still making a fortune, with either Nigel or Ed left to sort out the UK.

There's an update on the Bristol hospital fire, but playing 'Who Wants To Be A Kiwi Farms Millionaire' for a second who/what do you think was to blame?

A. Niggers
B. Muslims or Pajeets
C. Trannies
D. Solar Panels

You get the choice of 50:50, Phone A Friend and Ask The Audience - good luck!

 
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house flippers intending to make a profit
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It's so blatant nowadays though. You can see past sale prices for a property on Rightmove, as well as historic listing's for the same property. So you can literally see when some cunt bought it two years ago, did absolutely nothing to it, then put it back on the market for an extra £100k. Sometimes they just reuse the same photos in the listing.
 
Made In Wales said:
There's an update on the Bristol hospital fire, but playing 'Who Wants To Be A Kiwi Farms Millionaire' for a second who/what do you think was to blame?

A. Niggers
B. Muslims or Pajeets
C. Trannies
D. Solar Panels

You get the choice of 50:50, Phone A Friend and Ask The Audience - good luck!
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Yay I won!
 
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This is called "indentured servitude" and it's a terrible idea. America tried it for a while. It always ends up in the lower classes being press ganged into some sort of debt so they can be enslaved by an upper class shithead, who then has absolutely no reason to care for the well being of the slave because they will supposedly eventually work off their debt and be free, so the slaves are mistreated so poorly that they're basically dead by the time it comes to leave.

Think what you want of the lower classes, but whatever comes for them comes for the middle classes right after, and even I started out as lower class, but I post proudly, racistly, with you all here in this Greggs today.
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I can see what you're saying (and how it could apply even in this instance) but just to clarify - I'm not talking about the lower classes: I'm talking about the untouchables. Specifically, a racially based classification.
Plus, the entire point is to naturally drive down their population.
 
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It's so blatant nowadays though. You can see past sale prices for a property on Rightmove, as well as historic listing's for the same property. So you can literally see when some cunt bought it two years ago, did absolutely nothing to it, then put it back on the market for an extra £100k. Sometimes they just reuse the same photos in the listing.
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. We're not as bad as China (76%) or Australia (69% — a 'fair' house price in Melbourne, Victoria is about $1.4 million AUD/£700k) but a significant chunk of wealth in this country is in housing (40%). A lot of people are dependent on rising house prices to fatten their asset portfolios, so the constant year upon year rises is a boon to them, especially if they can end up flogging a terraced house for the same price as a semi-detached five years ago. The fact is, immigration makes it so renovations aren't necessary since even if they don't buy any homes, more people naturally means more housing which means what little there is gets that extra bit more expensisve. You have an asset that'll guarantee growth the same day you purchase it pretty much so why decrease your overall profit at the end by doing anything?

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teriyakiburns said:
Doesn't even need to be modified. You can buy these on amazon right now:

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They're two-tone, so technically compliant with the law on RIFs, but if you saw the grey one from a distance or just for a moment, you'd be forgiven for mistaking it for a real gun. And of course, go into any reasonably sized paki shop and you can find sinister black water pistols for a fiver.
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That's the same one some hackney kid had that got stopped by armed police.
 
As far as housing goes flippers can and should fuck off.
Live in a place and do it up every weekend for 6 months, ruining the peace for everyone who actually lives in the street.
 
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