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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
Honestly the fact that the UK is fragmented into multiple organisations is part of the reason why it's such a fucking shitshow to actually get something done.

The police (headed by the Crown) will arrest someone, CPS (different entity altogether) will decide whether or not the person should be charged or not, the courts (Civil Service) will do the trial, if the person is bad they go to prison (Civil Service) or probation (Civil Service) and somewhere along the line they'll have a mental health assessment (NHS) and if they have kids they'll get seen to by children's services (third party entity). When they're released from prison they'll typically be homeless (Council) or have drug dependencies (local drug organisation, I know it varies across the country)

Meanwhile for every interaction between these, as there isn't a shared database (apart from the Prison/Courts/Probation bit which is semi-streamlined) every organisation needs emailed about X person to find their details. There's no national identifier in any of the databases so it can get incredibly messy when Dave Taylor and Dave Tailor have the same birth date but are different people.

Some fucker needs to just completely streamline everything. Pick A national identifier, technically we all have National Insurance numbers and NHS numbers so we could go from that but somehow they don't use them as the base identifier.
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It's a double-edged sword. That inefficiency makes it harder for them to exercise as much tyranny as they probably could otherwise.

To use the Ofcom safety bill as an example, the responsibilities doled to them gives them the permission to dole out fines, but they don't actually have the ability to do anything of a deep dive since it requires cooperation from the website owner and obtaining IP addresses is something they're not even allowed to ask for (genuinely).

Anything further would require sending a request to an authority above them to take action, but the kicker is the most they can ask is for a ban if the content they've become aware of is genuinely illegal, then a court order can be pursued and that's the overall extent of their powers; to justify a ban it requires the content within to actually be illegal under UK law, which they won't know the details of without a sufficient enough report from Ofcom, which Ofcom has to rely on site owners to provide or do an actual perusal of themselves to gather evidence which would require account creation for something like Kiwifarms.

It's also worth noting that the websites currently banned in the UK are those which have violated copyright law; exist as apart of 'Cleanfeed', which is a list of websites that host or appear to host underage pornography; or were subject to sanction after the breakout of the Ukraine-Russia war. The last one is relevant to Kiwifarms and Gab because they weren't officially 'banned', the ISPs just took the measure of their own behest or risked fines. I imagine similar 'bans' from Ofcom would work the same way, an open letter and list of naughty websites. However, Ofcom's authority only extends over 'the big 5,' which is important, and will almost definitely rely on self-censorship of ISPs and international websites to carry out its task. I'd argue however that the latest attempt of this is even more toothless, and why no ISPs have raised a stink over it like they've done prior because ISPs can't be the subject of fines. The only people at risk of being fined are websites operating from the UK.

The Government has tried to implement law that lets them target foreign sites before, and not that long ago.
54A.—(1) A person who provides a social media service must take reasonable steps to prevent content that is generated directly on the service, or uploaded to or shared on the service, by a designated person being encountered by a user of the service in the United Kingdom.

(2) A person who provides an internet access service must take reasonable steps to prevent a user of the service in the United Kingdom from accessing, by means of that service, an internet service provided by a designated person.
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The Pro-Russia Ukraine-War thread would've violated this by my reading of it as would the posting of any rt.com or sputnik article in news and happenings. Null is in the exact same situation now as he wasn't aware he was in 2022. Yes, I still roll my eyes at the white screen.

With a court order, individual ISPs will approach it differently as they all adhere to their own blocklists and interpretations of enforcement, it's why you couldn't access 1337x at all on BT/EE/TalkTalk (because they all use the same network and BT self-censors with a constantly updated blocklist) but could on Virgin, who only specifically blocked the domain asked of them (no access to 1337x.org but yes to 1337x.to, though all ISPs were re-asked to block 1337x.to in 2021 through another court order). What's more, most enforcements only apply to the 'big 5' ISPs and those that rely on their infrastructure for internet access. If you're signed on with someone with independent infrastructure from BT, you'll probably not be subject to any (or at least not as many) blocks. The inconsistent application of the rules because of the inefficiency of authority is great for that reason, at least as far as the internet is concerned.

TLDR; Inefficiency and inconsistency coupled with no centralised/streamlined authority makes it harder for the government to do anything. Sucks for the economy and administration but it's great for those who want to feel (somewhat) safe.

Coolio55 said:
non seed oil bread
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Jason's sourdough. 2 quid a load though. Kind've like Tony's Chocolonely, I only pick it up as a treat (usually with Tony's Chocolonely). Otherwise I just pick the Rustic Wholemeal from Aldi, don't know if it has seed oils in it though.
 
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Coolio55 said:
Anyone know where to get non seed oil bread? Literally every loaf had it in the supermarket. "Original Farmhouse Recipe" my fucking arse. Shame on you, Warburtons.
Also, seems they've fucked up Jack Daniels. Grabbed some for a sore throat and was horrified at the bitter harsh swill they'd sold me (insert your "so nothing's changed then!" jokes here) ...but it's not just here, the Yanks are complaining about it on reddit.
They were out of Jim Bean but maybe they've fucked that too. Thank heavens that I'm not a regular drinker.
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Jack Daniels is distilled for 3 years (then they sell the barrels to glenmorangie), so including transport and shelf life what happened in Tennessee 4 years ago? We're any changes made to methods during COVID era?
 
Starmer and the Uniparty gang in Parliament are so fucking retarded they honestly think throwing a bone of making criticism of mass migration allowed is enough to let them rejoin the EU on the sly and no one will notice.

You may think you hate the British, but the British Politician hates them so much more.
 
Coolio55 said:
Anyone know where to get non seed oil bread? Literally every loaf had it in the supermarket. "Original Farmhouse Recipe" my fucking arse. Shame on you, Warburtons.
Also, seems they've fucked up Jack Daniels. Grabbed some for a sore throat and was horrified at the bitter harsh swill they'd sold me (insert your "so nothing's changed then!" jokes here) ...but it's not just here, the Yanks are complaining about it on reddit.
They were out of Jim Bean but maybe they've fucked that too. Thank heavens that I'm not a regular drinker.
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If you have the time (most people don't), I recommend making your own bread. These days, you can get relatively cheap bread machines, and you can't really beat a fresh homemade loaf in the morning. You can also control exactly what goes into it.
 
Agree; I worked from home today and made a few loaves. Slice them up, bag in the freezer and you’ve always got good bread for toast.
 
Mound Dweller said:
Blaming everything on bliar is a bit cringe, "Tony Blair is the genesis", I suppose it's in living memory at least but it's giving a needless free pass to the depredations of the pre 90s.
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I agree in theory; however Tony Blair is literally the anti-christ and should be flayed alive, cursed by the Greek gods to maintain eternal life chained to a pillar of salt in citric rain.
 
Mound Dweller said:
Blaming everything on bliar is a bit cringe, "Tony Blair is the genesis", I suppose it's in living memory at least but it's giving a needless free pass to the depredations of the pre 90s.
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There were fuckeries before, but Blair marked a massive step change in the whole process. He fundamentally altered the constitutional arrangements of this country. Hiving off most decision-making to quangos meant he could consolidate actual power in the hands of no10, reversing the relationship between the PM and the ministries and turning the PM into a functional dictator. The number of enabling acts ("statutory instruments") passed under Blair also contributed to this fundamental change. The government rules largely by ministerial fiat today, with initiative descending first from the orders of the PM.
 
Mound Dweller said:
Blaming everything on bliar is a bit cringe, "Tony Blair is the genesis", I suppose it's in living memory at least but it's giving a needless free pass to the depredations of the pre 90s.
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Pre-90s politics could be largely ignored relative to today. Don't get me wrong, Thatcher was a fucking bitch, but outside of that, politics was fairly boring. A few toffs taking too much from the trough, or dying through degenerate activities. The politicians largely dabbled in their own pool.
The Blair came along and fucked everything up. The rich no longer went to Uni, it was any old trollop and thicko. Immigrants were flooded in, the pension pot was robbed blind to pay for labours bizarre faggotry. Once that floodgate was open, the tories weren't going to stop it. Then they had 9/11 and a recession to deal with so ignored the problems to focus their efforts elsewhere.

Since then, it has been compounded exponentially. Think about it, Camerons harshest, most strict austerity still meant you could buy a chicken for three quid, that was during the backdrop of the worst recession in 100 years.
How much is a chicken nowadays? Six quid? Seven quid? Yet we're not in a recession, let alone the worst one in 100 years.
Da fuq is going on?
 
I've baked bread a few times; and it always seems more hassle than it's worth. It goes stale very fast, and I don't really eat white bread, or simpler carbs like bread. But with some stew and some salted butter it's pretty good.
 
Chunky Salsa said:
I've baked bread a few times; and it always seems more hassle than it's worth. It goes stale very fast, and I don't really eat white bread, or simpler carbs like bread. But with some stew and some salted butter it's pretty good.
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I batch it, slice it and freeze it. It’s great the day of as bread, and after that there’s always a slice to toast. Love it with homemade soup. Also have a freezer full of that. Nice to be able to eat something decent in five mins out the freezer.
The scandi style rye bread lasts longer
 
Chunky Salsa said:
I've baked bread a few times; and it always seems more hassle than it's worth. It goes stale very fast, and I don't really eat white bread, or simpler carbs like bread. But with some stew and some salted butter it's pretty good.
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I just make small loaves for my work sandwiches. Into a bread maker (cheating, I know) on a Sunday night and fresh bread for my lunch for a week. Pretty tasty.
 
>IMPLYING said:
TLDR; Inefficiency and inconsistency coupled with no centralised/streamlined authority makes it harder for the government to do anything. Sucks for the economy and administration but it's great for those who want to feel (somewhat) safe.
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I mean that's the crux of it, it's fantastic for knowing that if use even the base level of anonymity you're pretty much safe from the UK government because that lone barrier would be enough to be too much effort to find you when there's plenty of easier targets (big Gaz on facebook saying "Pakis out") but the issue is that the exact same thing happens to illegals and migrants. The second someone someone moves from their migrant hotel to work cash in hand for their cousin in Bradford they're 'gone' as far as the system sees it.
 
Otterly said:
I batch it, slice it and freeze it. It’s great the day of as bread, and after that there’s always a slice to toast. Love it with homemade soup. Also have a freezer full of that. Nice to be able to eat something decent in five mins out the freezer.
The scandi style rye bread lasts longer
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Homemade bread for cheese and ham toasties with homemade tomato soup is a wintertime special.
 
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