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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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I do wonder if eventually the UK will just be like China in it's own, some how even worse and gayer, little bubble. Cut off from the rest of the internet because Andrew Tate exists and our elite hate that.
 
Honestly I just use Brave, TOR function. Feels for my brit niggas who did not make it. Gratz Labour you made me more tech literate.

Fuck Ofcom, I'll be glad when these faggots cease to be so their dinosaur views can die in the wastes.
 
I would recommend a VPN if you want a bit of a faster experience than TOR browser. Mullvad is 25 quid for 6 months and works great, with easy to use desktop and phone apps. Plus, you can still fedpost on them too.
 
I see my government as too impotent, and all arms of its authority just as much to take what Ofcom is attempting to enforce all that seriously. I can appreciate making a point of non-compliance, but I feel that ignoring it might have been equally as valid. The assertion they can exert any level of authority or make any demands of a foreign entity is a farce, and I imagine their attempts to even say that they can won't last, especially if someone like Elon raises a stink about it. One anecdote I like to cite on the inability for UK entities, agencies and bodies to do much of anything relates to the infamous 'TV licence'. With the TV licence, most of you are all likely familiar (or not) that you can simply not pay it. You'll just receive letters, maybe they send one person to knock on your door (the person they send has no authority to enter your home) but they're otherwise impotent. This guy hasn't been paying since 2006 and has been keeping track of all the letters he has received.

The point I'm making is that the UK government is heavily reliant on threats to get what it wants, because it's unable to actually do anything that requires complex enforcement (remember the attempt to restrict porn?). Even those who get arrested for social media posts were bagged because they typically posted shit under their real name and on an account displaying where they lived. The government and law authorities don't have the capability of doing anything requiring more effort than that. By restricting the site's reach to those with a VPN or TOR, it feels like Null is basically giving them what they want since it would mean it's one fewer website they have to be concerned about the plebs reaching; indirectly helping the British government. One must consider the scale of it all, because in theory this act of theirs would cover every single website on the internet, and even in the letter they sent to Null, they still put the burden of carrying out risk assessments on him; expected that he then brings said report to them. Even reading that, it makes me wonder how the hell they're even supposed to know you're not adhering to their demands made in the letter? Are they expecting monthly reports?

So yeah, I think Null has indirectly assisted the very government he hates by doing this. It's like trying to give somebody the silent treatment when that somebody wanted you to shut up to begin with. I don't know.
 
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So yeah, I think Null has indirectly assisted the very government he hates by doing this. It's like trying to give somebody the silent treatment when that somebody wanted you to shut up to begin with. I don't know.
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It's more to do with the protection of the individual user. It's frighteningly easy to trace what someone is doing online via the ISP and a VPN or TOR effectively prohibits the ISP from viewing your network traffic. It can see that you are using the network, it just cannot determine what for. That's the logic behind prohibiting British IP addresses, the users cannot be prosecuted by a hostile government for accessing or posting on a certain website.

If they cannot go after the website owner, you can be certain they will go after the website user instead.
 
>IMPLYING said:
So yeah, I think Null has indirectly assisted the very government he hates by doing this. It's like trying to give somebody the silent treatment when that somebody wanted you to shut up to begin with. I don't know.
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I would tend to agree with your view of the Government's ineptitude, but the Government's hysterical and deranged attempt to shift the narrative of Southport from "anti-White wog" (reality) to "Andrew Tate sympathizer" (counterfactual) puts this site in its crosshairs, as this site is the "misogynistic, racist, hate-filled nexus that spreads vile disinfo to young men."
 
We went from "lul, fuck the uk govt, they can't do shit to the farms" to "you need a vpn to access the farms", in about 1 hour.

I wouldn't just rely on TOR either.
 
Interestingly I haven't seen anything about this new Act on Tattle Life - the meaner version of Mumsnet. Since they are the middle ground between Mumsnet and KF, I would have thought that they would definitely been stung by this. Anyone who uses it more often than me know of anything behind the scenes ?
 
While it still lasts Mumsnet flagged up the very sane and rational reaction of the Vice Chancellor at the University of Sussex to being told they oppressed free speech.

The Office for Students' so-called investigation into the University I represent was flawed and politically motivated. The implications for the higher education sector could be dire.
How can universities protect academic freedom and freedom of speech on matters of fierce disagreement? The Office for Students will tomorrow (Wednesday, 26 March) give its answer: fining the University of Sussex for two historic breaches of ‘conditions of registration’.
Sussex is far from the only university to face challenges navigating contested issues, but has been the sole focus of attention from the higher education regulator and is explicitly and deliberately being made an example to other universities. The fine, £585,000, is 15 times larger than any other sanction it has imposed.
The OfS opened an investigation on 22 October 2021, around the time of Professor Kathleen Stock’s resignation from the University in response to protests against her work on gender critical theory. The University has never wavered from its position that her beliefs are lawful and that her academic freedom and freedom of speech should be protected. We have consistently and publicly defended her right to pursue her academic work and express her lawful beliefs and deeply regretted her decision to leave. 

On 21 March 2024, after two and a half years, the OfS made a wide range of provisional findings against Sussex. In the final decision, the OfS abandoned, without any explanation, most of its provisional findings, reduced its original penalty by nearly half, and dropped additional regulatory requirements on the University.
The OfS has not investigated the circumstances that led to Professor Stock’s resignation; it does not have the powers to do this. It insists it was ‘impartial and view-point-neutral', but it has not talked to anyone apart from Professor Stock. The investigation was otherwise entirely desk-based — trawling hundreds of university documents and webpages, reviewing policies, statements, guidance, and minutes to find potential breaches of the conditions of registration to which higher education providers must adhere. 
The OfS repeatedly refused to hold any substantive meeting with the University. The only such meeting ever scheduled was unilaterally cancelled by the OfS. We repeatedly asked for feedback to ensure compliance without response.



Eventually, the OfS has found two historic breaches. One relates to a two-page statement intended to protect the welfare of transgender staff and students, and the second to the University’s way of approving a small number of documents.
We will strongly contest these findings and have grave concerns about the implications of its decisions for students and staff, especially those from minoritised groups.
More immediately, we must speak out about the OfS’s conduct. The regulator warned the University not to speak publicly during the investigation, meaning I was unable to testify to the Lords’ Industry and Regulators Committee Inquiry into the OfS.
Now I am free to say I recognise its findings that this regulator has failed to win the sector’s trust or free itself of the culture wars agenda of the previous government.  
Our experience reflects closely the committee’s observations that it “gives the impression that it is seeking to punish rather than support providers towards compliance, while taking little note of their views.” The OfS has indeed shown itself to be “arbitrary, overly controlling and unnecessarily combative”, to be failing to deliver value for money and is not focusing on the urgent problem of the financial sustainability of the sector.
The suspicion must be that this was a partisan scapegoating. The sadness is that this might have had a very different conclusion. Sussex will not be the last to face the challenge of a debate on gender, sex and identity that has become toxic. Universities across England are grappling with claims and counterclaims about academic freedom and freedom of speech regarding issues of equality, identity and inclusion. As the protests against the war in Gaza have shown, universities will continue to be a frontline for society’s most contentious issues.
 A supportive and thoughtful regulator might collaborate to identify and understand shared challenges and develop good practice on academic freedom, freedom of speech and institutional culture in relation to equalities issues. Sussex stands ready to help deliver that support, drawing on our experience over recent years.  
Levying a wholly disproportionate fine after a flawed, politically motivated, and wasteful investigation — when the higher education sector is in financial crisis — serves no one. 

Professor Sasha Roseneil is Vice Chancellor of the University of Sussex.
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I'm especially impressed by her attempt to drag "Free Palestine!" into the conversation as though it relates in any way to to the topic.
 
Morethanabitfoolish said:
"The University has never wavered from its position that her beliefs are lawful and that her academic freedom and freedom of speech should be protected. We have consistently and publicly defended her right to pursue her academic work and express her lawful beliefs and deeply regretted her decision to leave."
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I have some doubts about that.
 
BrightonAndHoveAlbion said:
Interestingly I haven't seen anything about this new Act on Tattle Life - the meaner version of Mumsnet. Since they are the middle ground between Mumsnet and KF, I would have thought that they would definitely been stung by this. Anyone who uses it more often than me know of anything behind the scenes ?
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I'm not extremely in the loop, but they have previously had some issues with ignoring letters about cookies back in September but can't find anything from after that. Based on that it wouldn't suprise me if they are in the habit of ignoring things until they can't get away with it. They were apparently in the top 100 websites in the UK according to the ICO.
 
Just a reminder if you already have a Proton mail account you can use their free tier of Proton vpn with the same login details. Just download to whatever device you have and log in.

Also fuck every member of the govt from '45 onwards I hope those that aren't dead join those that are asap.
 
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